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  1. Hi

    This has probably been asked before but here goes anyway. I'm 5ft 7 in, 53 yrs old male
    approximately 245 pound (17.5 stone) overweight I know but I'm working at losing some. I had
    angioplasty 2 years ago and a stent inserted. I feel fine now but I really want to get my weight
    down so I am doing a lot of walking. Someone has given me a Polar heart rate monitor so I can keep a
    eye on the heart rate. According various charts I have seen on the internet & the instructions with
    the heart rate monitor my target heart rate should between 83-125 assuming this is when exercising.

    As I have had a stent is this figure acceptable or should I be looking at a lower figure ?

    Any advice would be appreciated, waiting to get a appointment at my local doctors surgery is like
    waiting for the lottery to come up
    :-)

    THanks Killie

    Drop in and say hello at www.killies.co.uk/forums/index.php Always something going on at Killies
    Forums New members always welcome .

  2. Killie killieREMOVE@THE OBVIOUSkillies.co.uk said:

    As I have had a stent is this figure acceptable or should I be looking at a lower figure ?

    I would, instead, take 15-30 minutes out of you scheduled (morning is best) and find a rate of
    exercise on the treadmill that you are comfortable doing. Some medications can interfere with heart
    rate, and prior anterior myocardial damage can also alter cardiac rate; you should not pursure a
    "magic number" for the heart rate. Rather, find a level of exercise your body is comfortable with.

    Usually, when you break a sweat is a better guidline in my opinion, and maintain that level for over
    15 minutes, but of course visit with your doctor before starting any exercise program.

    Consider exercise as medicine, and it's free. Exercise is considered primary prevention against
    atheroslcerosis because it has not been shown to decrease the amount of atherosclerosis someone
    curretly has. However, excercise certainly improves treatment outcomes accross the board of
    cardiovascular disease.

    J Appl Physiol. 2002 Apr;92(4):1458-64. Regular aerobic exercise and the age-related increase in
    carotid artery intima-media thickness in healthy men.

    Tanaka H, Seals DR, Monahan KD, Clevenger CM, DeSouza CA, Dinenno FA.

    Human Cardiovascular Research Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology and Applied Physiology,
    University of Colorado at Boulder, Boulder, Colorado 80309, USA. [email hidden]

    Carotid artery intima-media thickness (IMT), an independent risk factor for stroke, increases with
    age. Habitual exercise is associated with a lower prevalence of stroke, but it is unclear whether
    this protective effect could be mediated through a favorable influence on carotid IMT. We examined
    this possibility using both cross-sectional and intervention approaches. First, 137 healthy men (age
    18-77 yr) who were either sedentary or endurance trained were studied. In both groups, carotid IMT
    and IMT-to-lumen ratio were progressively higher with age (P < 0.05). There were no significant
    differences in measures of carotid IMT between sedentary and endurance-trained men at any age.
    Carotid systolic blood pressure increased progressively with age and was related to carotid IMT (r =
    0.63, P < 0.01). Second, 18 healthy sedentary subjects (54 +/- 2 yr) were studied before and after 3
    mo of endurance training. Carotid IMT, IMT/lumen ratio, and carotid systolic blood pressure did not
    change with exercise intervention. Our results do not support the hypothesis that regular aerobic
    exercise exerts its protective effect against stroke by attenuating the age-related increase in
    carotid IMT. This lack of effect on carotid IMT may be due to the apparent inability of habitual
    exercise to prevent or reduce the age-associated elevation in carotid distending pressure.

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  3. I might comment that there were some recent posts about endogenous cardiotonics and exercise.
    Perhaps there are some indirect mechanisms for exercise to function as secondary prevention against
    atherosclerosis in these circumstances. The study I referenced was for short term (3 months). I
    would like to see a similar study for a longer time frame of at least 1 year. Perhaps then exercise
    would begin to show promise as a secondary prevention against atheroslcerosis.

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  4. Killie said:

    Hi

    This has probably been asked before but here goes anyway. I'm 5ft 7 in, 53 yrs old male
    approximately 245 pound (17.5 stone) overweight I know but I'm working at losing some.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) about the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Quoted message said:


    I had angioplasty 2 years ago and a stent inserted. I feel fine now but I really want to get my
    weight down so I am doing a lot of walking.

    Walking typically is not enough.

    Quoted message said:


    Someone has given me a Polar heart rate monitor so I can keep a eye on the heart rate. According
    various charts I have seen on the internet & the instructions with the heart rate monitor my
    target heart rate should between 83-125 assuming this is when exercising.

    The target heart rate for a 53 yo person should be 142 bpm.

    Quoted message said:


    As I have had a stent is this figure acceptable or should I be looking at a lower figure ?

    You should ask your doctor about whether 142 bpm is appropriate for you.

    Quoted message said:


    Any advice would be appreciated, waiting to get a appointment at my local doctors surgery is like
    waiting for the lottery to come up
    :-)

    THanks

    You are welcome :-)

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  5. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    From: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology

    Killie said:

    Hi

    This has probably been asked before but here goes anyway. I'm 5ft 7 in, 53 yrs old male
    approximately 245 pound (17.5 stone) overweight I know but I'm working at losing some.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) about the 2PD approach:

    Why, Chung... are you still recommending that outdated 2PD approach? Come, come now one would think
    you were recommending Two Pounds of Spam. Carry around a scale? Heaven forfend! Patients need a more
    natural approach, like the 2FD approach.

    I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic Defying
    Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.

    Inspired by Dr. Chung's scientific approach, as described on his website, in 2003, my wife and I
    attended an IMAX film about climbing the Bavarian Alps and learned that despite their exhausting
    regimen, the climbers consumed only 10 packages of wieners per week. That's less than 2 feet of
    wieners per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation, I think it is safe to assume that
    2 feet of food per day should be more than adequate for us non-climbing folks.

    So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese friends in my neighborhood. I gave them
    ordinary 6 inch rulers with instructions to measure the length of everything substantial that passed
    into their mouths. The only things exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was
    that my obese friends were consuming between 8 to 12 feet of food per day! At the time, I was about
    10 lbs. over my ideal body weight so I decided to find out how much I was eating per day... 3 feet.
    I cut back to less than 2 feet and was at my proper weight in one month.

    My friends have responded similarly except they have taken longer because of having to lose more
    weight. Admittedly, some of my obese friends were especially slow to respond. They also happen to be
    the ones with an unfortunate propensity for accidentally loosing their 6 inch rulers and taking
    weeks to buy replacements.

    So here's the deal: measure all the food you eat, using it's longest dimension, and keep the
    total length to less than two feet per day. That's all there is. No scales, no counting calories
    or carbohydrates. Heck, if you loose your ruler, you can even use the first joint of your thumb
    to measure.

    I am making this diet available as a public service and without compensation.

    If you have any questions, just see Dr. Chung's helpful FAQ and substitute "Two Feet" for "Two
    Pounds" everywhere... what could be simpler?

    "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of midgets"

    --
    Steve

    Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

  6. Circulation. 2003 Dec 29 [Epub ahead of print].
    Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
    This animal study points to a very interesting issue about neointimal growth
    and exercise. Because you have had a stent, this may be pertinent to your
    question. This was a 6-week training program for mice, however. Maybe Mighty
    Mouse was a participant :-) tinyurl.com2voon

    Exercise Training Reduces Neointimal Growth and Stabilizes Vascular Lesions Developing After Injury
    in Apolipoprotein E-Deficient Mice. Pynn M, Schafer K, Konstantinides S, Halle M.

    Georg August University of Goettingen, Department of Cardiology and Pulmonary Medicine, Goettingen,
    Germany. Dr Halle is now at the Technical University, Department of Internal Medicine, Division of
    Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Sports Medicine, Munich, Germany.

    BACKGROUND: Population-based studies have shown that exercise reduces cardiovascular morbidity and
    mortality. However, it is unknown whether these effects are solely a result of risk factor
    modification or whether exercise directly affects the homeostasis of the vessel wall. METHODS AND
    RESULTS: We subjected 19-week-old apolipoprotein E (apoE)-knockout mice (apoE(-/-); n=25) to a 6-
    week training program on a motorized treadmill. The control group consisted of 17 sedentary mice.
    After 3 weeks in the program, training and sedentary mice underwent carotid artery injury with
    ferric chloride. Training was then resumed for another 3 weeks. Exercise did not change body weight
    or lipid levels in apoE(-/-) mice but resulted in upregulated expression of nitric oxide synthase in
    the endothelium. Physical training did not significantly affect the thrombotic response to injury.
    However, morphometric analysis of vessels harvested 3 weeks after injury showed that neointima
    formation was reduced in the exercising group. This resulted in a lower intima/media ratio (0.29+/-
    0.03 versus 0.41+/-0.03 in sedentary mice; P=0.008) and less luminal stenosis (21+/-2.7% versus 33+/-
    2.3%; P=0.003). Importantly, exercise reduced the number of Mac-3-positive, oxidized LDL-containing
    macrophages in the vessel wall while increasing the content in collagen fibers (14.1+/-0.9% versus
    4.8+/-0.8%; P<0.001). Plasminogen activator inhibitor-1, tissue factor, and fibrinogen were all
    significantly reduced in the lesions of trained mice. CONCLUSIONS: In the apoE(-/-) mouse, exercise
    training reduces neointimal growth and stabilizes vascular lesions after injury. These effects
    appear to be at least partly independent of changes in lipid levels or the initial thrombotic
    response to injury.

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  7. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Killie said:

    Hi

    This has probably been asked before but here goes anyway. I'm 5ft 7 in, 53 yrs old male
    approximately 245 pound (17.5 stone) overweight I know but I'm working at losing some.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) about the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Quoted message said:


    I had angioplasty 2 years ago and a stent inserted. I feel fine now but I really want to get my
    weight down so I am doing a lot of walking.

    Walking typically is not enough.

    Quoted message said:


    Someone has given me a Polar heart rate monitor so I can keep a eye on the heart rate.
    According various charts I have seen on the internet & the instructions with the heart rate
    monitor my target heart rate should between 83-125 assuming this is when exercising.

    The target heart rate for a 53 yo person should be 142 bpm.

    Quoted message said:


    As I have had a stent is this figure acceptable or should I be looking at a lower figure ?

    You should ask your doctor about whether 142 bpm is appropriate for you.

    Quoted message said:


    Any advice would be appreciated, waiting to get a appointment at my local doctors surgery is
    like waiting for the lottery to come up
    :-)

    THanks

    You are welcome :-)

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com


    After achieving a 142 bpm heartbeat, how much would his BP be expected to go up? And how much is his
    heart beat influenced by his weight? Derek.

  8. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    | <[email hidden]>😉:
    |
    | I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    | Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.

    One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't wait to come home to read YOUR
    stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what have you done to me?

  9. "Derek F" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Killie said:

    Hi

    This has probably been asked before but here goes anyway. I'm 5ft 7 in, 53 yrs old male
    approximately 245 pound (17.5 stone) overweight I know but I'm working at losing some.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) about the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Quoted message said:


    I had angioplasty 2 years ago and a stent inserted. I feel fine now but I really want to get
    my weight down so I am doing a lot of walking.

    Walking typically is not enough.

    Quoted message said:


    Someone has given me a Polar heart rate monitor so I can keep a eye on the heart rate.
    According various charts I have seen on the internet & the instructions with the heart rate
    monitor my target heart rate should between 83-125 assuming this is when exercising.

    The target heart rate for a 53 yo person should be 142 bpm.

    Quoted message said:


    As I have had a stent is this figure acceptable or should I be looking at a lower figure ?

    You should ask your doctor about whether 142 bpm is appropriate for you.

    Quoted message said:


    Any advice would be appreciated, waiting to get a appointment at my local doctors surgery is
    like waiting for the lottery to come up
    :-)

    THanks

    You are welcome :-)

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com


    After achieving a 142 bpm heartbeat, how much would his BP be expected to go up?

    About 50%.

    Quoted message said:

    And how much is his heart beat influenced by his weight?

    Exercise tolerance (Mets) will decrease with increasing weight.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  10. Derek F said:

    After achieving a 142 bpm heartbeat, how much would his BP be expected to go up?

    Up to 65%

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap971110.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  11. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:27:21 -0500, frog wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:


    "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    <[email hidden]>😉:

    I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.

    One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't wait to come home to read
    YOUR stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what have you done to me?

    ;-)

    --
    Steve

  12. frog said:

    "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    | <[email hidden]>😉:
    |
    | I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    | Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.

    One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't wait to come home to read
    YOUR stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what have you done to me?

    Fyi, you are calling Satan your god.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  13. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | frog wrote:
    |
    | > "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > "]news:[email hidden]...
    | > | On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    | > | <[email hidden]>😉:
    | > |
    | > | I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    | > | Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry
    a
    | > | scale around.
    | >
    | > One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't
    wait to
    | > come home to read YOUR stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what
    have
    | > you done to me?
    |
    | Fyi, you are calling Satan your god.

    You just called Steve ... Satan. Why?

  14. frog said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | frog wrote:
    |
    | > "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > "]news:[email hidden]...
    | > | On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    | > | <[email hidden]>😉:
    | > |
    | > | I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    | > | Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry
    a
    | > | scale around.
    | >
    | > One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't
    wait to
    | > come home to read YOUR stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what
    have
    | > you done to me?
    |
    | Fyi, you are calling Satan your god.

    You just called Steve ... Satan. Why?

    Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself as Satan to get a few laughs.

    See:

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Truth is simple.

    May you truly accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    Only Jesus can save you from Satan.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  15. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:44:58 -0500, frog wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:


    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    frog said:

    "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    > <[email hidden]>😉:
    >
    > I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic
    > Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > scale around.

    One day I am all over you for being off topic, and the other I can't


    wait to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    come home to read YOUR stuff in response to Dr. Chung. My God, what


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you done to me?

    Fyi, you are calling Satan your god.

    You just called Steve ... Satan. Why?

    google.comgroups en&lr=&ie=UTF-
    8&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0

    --
    Steve

  16. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | frog wrote:
    |

    |
    | Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself as
    Satan
    | to get a few laughs.
    |

    So he identifies himsels as Satan, and by that admission you regard him as such. Hmmm. You must
    follow some rather revolutionary dogmas of Christianity to pray for Satan. Essentially you are
    saying that there is hope for Satan. Unless you don't really mean he is really Satan, though you
    just he was. Or unless you don't really pray for him.

  17. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:48:29 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    frog wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You just called Steve ... Satan. Why?

    Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself as Satan to get a
    few laughs.

    See:

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Truth is simple.

    May you truly accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    Only Jesus can save you from Satan.

    But Chung... who can save us from you?

    --
    Steve

    Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

  18. frog said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | frog wrote:
    |

    |
    | Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself as
    Satan
    | to get a few laughs.
    |

    So he identifies himsels as Satan, and by that admission you regard him as such. Hmmm. You must
    follow some rather revolutionary dogmas of Christianity to pray for Satan.

    I pray for the hapless soul "Steve" who was displaced by Satan.

    Quoted message said:

    Essentially you are saying that there is hope for Satan.

    There is hope for "Steve" but none for Satan.

    Quoted message said:

    Unless you don't really mean he is really Satan, though you just he was.

    Just as Satan entered Judas of Iscariot, he has entered "Steve."

    You could or maybe already are next.

    Quoted message said:

    Or unless you don't really pray for him.

    I continue to write truthfully.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  19. Steve said:

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:48:29 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    frog wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You just called Steve ... Satan. Why?

    Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself as Satan to get a few
    laughs.

    See:

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Truth is simple.

    May you truly accept Christ as your Lord and Savior.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    Only Jesus can save you from Satan.

    But Chung... who can save us from you?

    It is not I but my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who destroys you.

    For Jesus says as quoted in Luke 10:

    18He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to
    trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm
    you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are
    written in heaven."

    May God add His blessings to the writing of His Word here at SMC and banish Satan and all his
    minions from this newsgroup now and forever. In Christ's name, I pray. Amen.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  20. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | frog wrote:
    |
    | > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > "]news:[email hidden]...
    | > | frog wrote:
    | > |
    | >
    | > |
    | > | Because he is by his own admission. Only Satan would identify himself
    as
    | > Satan
    | > | to get a few laughs.
    | > |
    | >
    | > So he identifies himsels as Satan, and by that admission you regard him
    as
    | > such. Hmmm. You must follow some rather revolutionary dogmas of Christianity to pray for Satan.
    |
    | I pray for the hapless soul "Steve" who was displaced by Satan.
    |

    Nice try. You have been praying for Satan all along. You have said so yourself.

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