Oh, I see. If you can get rid of the amber "stopped vehicle" flasher and produce a steady white light for riding in the dark, then I guess this doesn't seem so bad.
not steady the xenon only flashes. but you can choose the color or colors you want. if you want a steady xenon light source they only cost about 700.00 (G)
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Oh, I see. If you can get rid of the amber "stopped vehicle" flasher and produce a steady white light for riding in the dark, then I guess this doesn't seem so bad.
not steady the xenon only flashes.
Then that is useless; you might actually want to ride in the dark some time (something that, I might add, can be done quite well with the 3W dynamo systems Mr. Scharf so loathes). -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
thanks I will have to do this when I upgrade. but I have spent enough on lighting and I can love with the battery changes in the lightman right now (G)
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Then that is useless; you might actually want to ride in the dark some time (something that, I might add, can be done quite well with the 3W dynamo systems Mr. Scharf so loathes).
Be fair. Steven does concede that standard dynamo systems are OK in the dark.
Actually, his latest round of "experts" often say quite the opposite. I wonder if he even knows what he thinks anymore. -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
The strobes are perfect--low power, high intensity, very visible. Everything you want in a "being seen" light.
Well, if you're not in an area that considers them illegal, and if you're not riding with other cyclists (whose night vision would be ruined), and if you're not on an event like an Audax ride where they're against the rules...
You forgot "and you actually think it's a smart plan to try and blind drivers". -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
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Where do you get one of these? And how do you have them hooked up? RAy
I got mine from Maplin Electronics, www.maplin.co.uk, they are fairly common. Both wired to a pack of 10AA NiMh batteries in plastic holder (again Maplins) costing a few pence held in frame bag. I have a standard toggle switch cable tied to the seat post - inside a piece of old inner tube to keep the water out.
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> I am going to get some new lights . I am wondering if any one has tried any of the available > Zenon Strobe likes like the one linked below or perhaps something better?
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A real daylight strobe takes more power than two AA's can supply, probably.
I use xenon strobe modules which are weatherproof and easily mounted, also fairly cheap:
Excellent side visibility, visible in daylight, run for 10 hrs+ on 10 AA NiMh rechargeables (in frame bag). An excellent adjunct to a non-flashing light.
Then that is useless; you might actually want to ride in the dark some time (something that, I might add, can be done quite well with the 3W dynamo systems Mr. Scharf so loathes).
it is a strobe not a lighting system. I use mine as backup to my regular light now.
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Oh, I see. If you can get rid of the amber "stopped vehicle" flasher and produce a steady white light for riding in the dark, then I guess this doesn't seem so bad.
not steady the xenon only flashes. but you can choose the color or colors
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Plus they'd require a humongous battery and a glass lens due to the heat. The strobes are perfect-- low power, high intensity, very visible. Everything you want in a "being seen" light.
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not steady the xenon only flashes.
Then that is useless; you might actually want to ride in the dark some time (something that, I might add, can be done quite well with the 3W dynamo systems Mr. Scharf so loathes).
Be fair. Steven does concede that standard dynamo systems are OK in the dark. What he doesn't accept is that they're bright enough to use in built up areas where there are many other competing light sources. I can see the logic of that but I'm not sure I agree with him. In Britain we tend to think that weaker lights are adequate when there's good street lighting because when there's a lot of ambient light the cyclist is visible even without lights. Cyclists with powerful battery lamps tend to use them on their most economical and least bright settings in these conditions.
Plus they'd require a humongous battery and a glass lens due to the heat. The strobes are perfect-- low power, high intensity, very visible. Everything you want in a "being seen" light.
no there is a system from germany. the light is about the same size as a HID light. it puts out more light goes about 5 hours on a charge and uses LIon batteries. the price starts at 700.00
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The strobes are perfect--low power, high intensity, very visible. Everything you want in a "being seen" light.
Well, if you're not in an area that considers them illegal, and if you're not riding with other cyclists (whose night vision would be ruined), and if you're not on an event like an Audax ride where they're against the rules...
Everything has its tradeoffs.
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no there is a system from germany. the light is about the same size as a
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batteries. the price starts at 700.00
I believe the light your referring to is the Lupine Stuby. It has an cluster of 26 white LEDs and consumes either 2W or 4W of power depending on the setting. At 4W they quote a 10 hr runtime. The technology is LEDs rather than a xenon strobe. The US distributor sells this unit for $650!
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several years with bicycle lighting given the availability of relatively high output white LEDs. I am hoping that Steven Scharf will do an analysis of this technology on his website in the future as it seems to have some merit. Lumileds is making the Luxeon Star LEDs, and to a large extent a single Luxeon Star is outperforming older led- cluster designs in straight flashlights. The original Luxeon Star component is 1W, and they now have 3W and 5W versions as well. Plant Bike has just come out with a $30ish model based on the 1W Luxeon Star. I may get that light, and see if it can be modified to accept the 3W part.
I believe the light your referring to is the Lupine Stuby. It has an cluster of 26 white LEDs and consumes either 2W or 4W of power depending on the setting. At 4W they quote a 10 hr runtime. The technology is LEDs rather than a xenon strobe. The US distributor sells this unit for $650!
same brand but that is the low model they have a xeonon model. starts at 700.00 I think it is the same brand. the price was so high I did not remember much (G)
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Well, if you're not in an area that considers them illegal, and if you're
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Everything has its tradeoffs.
The LED blinkers are illegal in many jurisdictions as well. If a red flasher is illegal, it's illegal whether it's a bright, visible, xenon strobe, or a less visible LED flasher.
The strobes do not ruin night vision. These are not police strobes or tow-truck strobes. Of course the brighter strobes used on emergency vehicles don't ruin night vision either.
I've had good luck on shorter runs (about an hour in cold weather, much longer with heat) with a 9V rechargable. Just shove the battery in the seat bag. Turn it off by removing the clip.
Stobes seem to be a little more visible than LEDs, at least from the side. Also, they don't get dim, just flash slower as the voltage drops.
Eric
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Where do you get one of these? And how do you have them hooked up? RAy
You hook them up to a 12 volt battery. Sealed lead-acid, or ten 1.2V NiMH cells. If you already are using a 12 volt lighting system then you don't need another battery.
You could use the Lenmar 1020 ten pack of AA NiMH cells, and get set up for about $20 total, plus tax and shipping, if you already have an AA NiMH charger.
A 10 AA battery holder is the Philmore Model BH3103 and can be found at: "minute-minute-Open ↗ man.com/acatalog/AA_Cell_Holders.html"
Fairly easy to mount to the back of a rear rack with the use of a short piece of flexible steel banding with two holes drilled into it. See my web site for details, bicyclelighting.combicyclelighting.comOpen ↗.
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The LED blinkers are illegal in many jurisdictions as well. If a red flasher is illegal, it's illegal whether it's a bright, visible, xenon strobe, or a less visible LED flasher.
this is not a very good analysis. visually the multi-LED cycle is (more/less) a hi-lo pulsate whereas Xenon Strobes have a definite on/off cycle. while both do not meet the letter of the law, neither does running stop signs at 2-mph & at 20-mph but which is more likely to be cited?
