Shiraz?

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to be
served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

David

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to be
served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

As I understand it, the room temperature referred to was Europeans serving red wine at room
temperature, which would be around 65°. Over here with heating a slight chilling might be better.

I leave mine in an unheated part of the basement and bring upstairs just ahead of serving. Works
for me. There's a lot of snobbery and myth about wine, in the end, what you like is what is
right for you.

Sheena

David Wright said:

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

David

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe I'll pop
the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Jill

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jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

As I understand it, the room temperature referred to was Europeans serving red wine at room
temperature, which would be around 65°. Over here with heating a slight chilling might be better.

I leave mine in an unheated part of the basement and bring upstairs just ahead of serving. Works
for me. There's a lot of snobbery and myth about wine, in the end, what you like is what is right
for you.

Sheena

Well, red wine shouldn't be too cold because of all the complex flavors it has...cold dulls the
senses. If you served red wine at 45 degrees (in the fridge for several hours--fully chilled), you
would lose a lot of the flavor components that make it so wonderful. But if it's above, say 65
degrees or so, it starts to bring the tannins out...too much.

I would say 55 degrees or so would be perfect for red wine....an hour or two in the fridge would
do the trick. Also, make sure you open it a good 10-15 minutes before you plan to drink it. And if
you can, pour it and let it sit for those few minutes. Reds need to "breathe", which means,
basically, letting it absorb some air. The oxygen in the air helps soften the tannins and brings
out the flavors.

Just remember to open the bottle early enough to let it breathe and you will do fine.

As others have said, "room temp" was the room temp of the drafty old chateaux in the European
countryside! It really means "cellar temp", cool, but not chilled, as for whites.

I had a wonderful red wine with dinner tonight, we had glazed ham, asparagus, glazed carrots,
wonderful scalloped potatoes, and a french Corbiere. I believe it was called "Deux Rives" or
something like that. It was light, like a pinot noir, very jammy...I enjoyed it a lot. Then they
opened a cabernet sauvignon, and I really didn't care for it. Too tannic and dry for my tastes. I
like younger, lighter reds, I guess.

jmcquown said:

David Wright said:

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

David

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe I'll
pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Jill

That's exactly what I do, and you're welcome, Jill. A little cooling to old-time central-European
room-temp can't be all bad.

David

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jmcquown said:

David Wright said:

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe I'll
pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always that warm.

Miche

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David Wright said:

jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

David

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe I'll
pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Jill

68 is just fine. The notion that wine must be served at some precise temperature is pure
foolishness. The general rule is that red wine is served at "room" temperature but that encompasses
a pretty wide range. To my taste 58 is slightly chilled and dulls the taste, but others have
different ideas. Try it and see what you like - there is no precise "right" and "wrong."

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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is
> to be served at room temp. Is this the case?
>
> Jill

Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe I'll
pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always that warm.

Miche

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our cats
snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

Wayne

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David Wright wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is
>> to be served at room temp. Is this the case?
>>
>> Jill
>
> Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.

Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe
I'll pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always
that warm.

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

People keep parrots (small ones, budgerigars, cockatiels and the like) at 17C (and slightly cooler)
here too. <shrug>

One of those cultural differences, I guess.

Miche

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wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this
> >> is to be served at room temp. Is this the case?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.
>
> Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe
> I'll pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always that
warm.

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

People keep parrots (small ones, budgerigars, cockatiels and the like) at 17C (and slightly
cooler) here too. <shrug>

One of those cultural differences, I guess.

Miche

I suppose. Probably also dependent on how the birds have been acclimatized.

Wayne

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Our cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

Mine does, too! Once I went nuts searching for her since she didn't come when I called her (she
always comes when she's called). I finally noticed a lump under a blanket so I poked at it and heard
a "mmmmrrrrppp?" I lifted it and there she was--annoyed that I had woken her up :-).

rona

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Wayne Boatwright said:

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?

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cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

Sheryl Rosen said:

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jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to
be served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

As others have said, "room temp" was the room temp of the drafty old chateaux in the European
countryside! It really means "cellar temp", cool, but not chilled, as for whites.

Dammit! I didn't get a drafty old chateaux for Christmas! Someone's slackin' on the gifts
this year 🙂

Thanks for the info, Sheryl. Happy Holidays!

Jill

Miche said:

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wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is
>>> to be served at room temp. Is this the case?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.
>
> Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe
> I'll pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!

Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always
that warm.

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

People keep parrots (small ones, budgerigars, cockatiels and the like) at 17C (and slightly
cooler) here too. <shrug>

One of those cultural differences, I guess.

Miche

Uh, yeah... I don't like being cold!!!

Jill

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Wayne Boatwright said:

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?

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Saerah

There is both bacterial and viral pneumonia.

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Miche said:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> David Wright wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this
>>>> is to be served at room temp. Is this the case?

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>>> Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.
>>
>> Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe
>> I'll pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!
>
> Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always that
> warm.

It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

People keep parrots (small ones, budgerigars, cockatiels and the like) at 17C (and slightly
cooler) here too. <shrug>

One of those cultural differences, I guess.

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Uh, yeah... I don't like being cold!!!

I'd be concerned for your health if you were feeling cold at those sort of temperatures. 🙂

It's 9.30pm and still 68/20. Very pleasant.

Miche

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Miche said:

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Miche said:

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>> In article <[email hidden]>, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:03:34 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this
>>>>> is to be served at room temp. Is this the case?

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Quoted message said:

>>>> Yes, if your room is at 58 degrees F.
>>>
>>> Heheh... it's about 68F in here due to the fact that I have a cat and a small parrot. Maybe
>>> I'll pop the wine in the fridge for an hour or so. Thanks, David!
>>
>> Um. We have a cat, yet our house is at around 62F (17C) right now. And it's not always that
>> warm.
>
> It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
> cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

People keep parrots (small ones, budgerigars, cockatiels and the like) at 17C (and slightly
cooler) here too. <shrug>

One of those cultural differences, I guess.

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Uh, yeah... I don't like being cold!!!

I'd be concerned for your health if you were feeling cold at those sort of temperatures. 🙂

It's 9.30pm and still 68/20. Very pleasant.

Miche

Now that you mention it, I just woke up with a very sore throat and my nose and ears are blocked.
Why do I always get sick when I'm on vacation?!

Jill

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jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to be
served at room temp. Is this the case?

Here's what I do:

White wine: store in fridge. Take out 20 minutes before serving. Red wine: store at room temp. Put
in fridge 20 minutes before serving.

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jmcquown said:

I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to be
served at room temp. Is this the case?

Jill

Room temp, if you are meaning about 68F. OH, and Shiraz is Aussie for Syrah.
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