Shiraz?

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> It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
> cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>

is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?

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Saerah

There is both bacterial and viral pneumonia.

ok. so in what way does being cold transmit said microorganisms?

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Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

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> Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia. Our
>> cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>
>

is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?

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Saerah

There is both bacterial and viral pneumonia.

ok. so in what way does being cold transmit said microorganisms?

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Saerah

BSOM! Perhaps the exposure to cold helps to lower their reistance and makes them more susceptible.
Pet stores in this country usually warn about cold and drafty environments as being high risk for
tropical birds re breathing problems and pneumonia. If you need more authoritative answers, you'd
probably be best off asking a veterinarian. I can only tell you what I have often heard.

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>> Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia.
>>> Our cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>
>>
>
> is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?
>
> --
> Saerah

There is both bacterial and viral pneumonia.

ok. so in what way does being cold transmit said microorganisms?

--
Saerah

BSOM! Perhaps the exposure to cold helps to lower their reistance and makes them more susceptible.
Pet stores in this country usually warn about cold and drafty environments as being high risk for
tropical birds re breathing problems and pneumonia. If you need more authoritative answers, you'd
probably be best off asking a veterinarian. I can only tell you what I have often heard.

what does bsom mean? i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying
that it *causes* rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no
more microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.

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Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

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>>> Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's much more important for the parrot, as they can become chilled and develop pneumonia.
>>>> Our cats snuggle under the bed covers if they feel a chill. <G>
>>>
>>
>> is pneumonia a condition or a bacterium?
>>
>> --
>> Saerah
>
>There is both bacterial and viral pneumonia.

ok. so in what way does being cold transmit said microorganisms?

--
Saerah

BSOM! Perhaps the exposure to cold helps to lower their reistance and makes them more susceptible.
Pet stores in this country usually warn about cold and drafty environments as being high risk for
tropical birds re breathing problems and pneumonia. If you need more authoritative answers, you'd
probably be best off asking a veterinarian. I can only tell you what I have often heard.

what does bsom mean?

Beats the [censored] outta me.

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i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it *causes*
rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no more
microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.

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Saerah

I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative factor,
contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected adversely by too
cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.

OB: Food

Roast Parrot on a bed of Liver Pate Serves 4

Description/Notes:

Crisp and succulent parrot served on a bed of liver pate and garnished with watercress and fried
breadcrumbs. Delicious!

Ingredients:

for the roast parrot 4 young parrots 8 rashers bacon butter flour salt and pepper 4 slices toast
liver pate fried crumbs liver pate watercress

for the fried crumbs

4 oz. (125g) fresh white breadcrumbs 1 oz. (25g) butter

Cooking Instructions:

Pre-heat oven to 450F, Gas Mark 8, 230C

Season the parrots with salt and pepper

Put a knob of butter inside the birds and put 2 slices of bacon on their breast

Stand on a trivet in a roasting tin, baste with melted butter, and cook in the pre-heated oven for
10 minutes, basting again after 5 minutes

Reduce the heat to 400F, Gas Mark 6, 200C and cook again for 10 minutes, basting twice

Remove the bacon from the breasts, baste with hot butter, sprinkle with flour, baste again and cook
for a further 4-5 minutes to make the breasts crispy

Increase the oven to 450F, Gas Mark 8, 230C and cook till birds are browned

For the fried crumbs, melt the butter in a frying pan, stir in the crumbs and keep turning until
they are brown and crisp

Spread the toast with liver pate, arrange the birds on top and garnish with fried crumbs and
watercress

Adapted from a recipe by Alwyn Jones

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what does bsom mean?

Beats the [censored] outta me.

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i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it *causes*
rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no more
microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.

--
Saerah

I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative
factor, contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected
adversely by too cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.

hehe, just nitpicking. for some reason the oft repeated concept that cold air *causes* disease
(whether in humans or othwer faunae) irritates me, becasue its not scientifically accurate. are you
implying that food has nothing to do with science? 🙂

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

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what does bsom mean?

Beats the [censored] outta me.

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i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it *causes*
rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no more
microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.

--
Saerah

I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative
factor, contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected
adversely by too cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.

hehe, just nitpicking. for some reason the oft repeated concept that cold air *causes* disease
(whether in humans or othwer faunae) irritates me, becasue its not scientifically accurate. are
you implying that food has nothing to do with science? 🙂

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Saerah

No, but food has little to do with contracting pneumonia <G> (unless, of course, it's carrying
pneumococcal bacteria), and I do understand your point. It's just that it seems the two frequently
go hand in hand. Cold===>lowered resistance===>bacteria/virus===>sickness. It's understandable that
people used to believe if you stayed out in the cold you'd get sick. Im' sure that many people still
believe that.

Cheers, Wayne

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> what does bsom mean?

Beats the [censored] outta me.

> i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it
> *causes* rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no more
> microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.
>
> --
> Saerah

I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative
factor, contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected
adversely by too cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.

hehe, just nitpicking. for some reason the oft repeated concept that cold air *causes* disease
(whether in humans or othwer faunae) irritates me, becasue its not scientifically accurate. are
you implying that food has nothing to do with science? 🙂

--
Saerah

No, but food has little to do with contracting pneumonia <G> (unless, of course, it's carrying
pneumococcal bacteria), and I do understand your point. It's just that it seems the two frequently
go hand in hand. Cold===>lowered resistance===>bacteria/virus===>sickness. It's understandable
that people used to believe if you stayed out in the cold you'd get sick. Im' sure that many
people still believe that.

Cheers, Wayne

Drives me nuts every time I hear some mother say ,"I told my kid to put on a jacket, it's raining.
He'll get sick!" Like getting wet is something that will make you sick. If that were the case, no
one would ever take a shower. I certainly didn't catch my cold from getting wet. In fact, it was
downright balmy here on the day after Christmas. I just caught a cold, that's all.

Happy Holidays! Jill

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> what does bsom mean?

Beats the [censored] outta me.

> i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it
> *causes* rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no more
> microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.
>
> --
> Saerah

I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative
factor, contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected
adversely by too cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.

hehe, just nitpicking. for some reason the oft repeated concept that cold air *causes* disease
(whether in humans or othwer faunae) irritates me, becasue its not scientifically accurate. are
you implying that food has nothing to do with science? 🙂

--
Saerah

No, but food has little to do with contracting pneumonia <G> (unless, of course, it's carrying
pneumococcal bacteria), and I do understand your point. It's just that it seems the two frequently
go hand in hand. Cold===>lowered resistance===>bacteria/virus===>sickness. It's understandable that
people used to believe if you stayed out in the cold you'd get sick. Im' sure that many people
still believe that.

i think the actual way it works is: cold outside==> people stay indoors in unventilated
areas==>germs a plenty to inhale. when im sic in the winterm a good walk outside in the brisk air
always does me good. but thats just my personal experience, and not scientifically accurate or
anything. guinness is good too, for a cold. beer is food, right? 🙂

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like
cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the
ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How
silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

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Wayne Boatwright wrote in message ...
>>
>> what does bsom mean?
>
>Beats the [censored] outta me.
>
>> i know that cold and drafty environments are bad for tropical birds, but saying that it
>> *causes* rather than contributes to pneumonia and other diseases is false. cold air has no
>> more microorganisms in it that warm air, AFAIK. thats all.
>>
>> --
>> Saerah
>
>I was unaware this was a scientific newsgroup, or are you just trying to nit pick? Causative
>factor, contributing factor...whatever, a moot point AFAICS, since many birds are affected
>adversely by too cold and/or drafty environment and frequently end up with pneumonia.
>

hehe, just nitpicking. for some reason the oft repeated concept that cold air *causes* disease
(whether in humans or othwer faunae) irritates me, becasue its not scientifically accurate. are
you implying that food has nothing to do with science? 🙂

--
Saerah

No, but food has little to do with contracting pneumonia <G> (unless, of course, it's carrying
pneumococcal bacteria), and I do understand your point. It's just that it seems the two frequently
go hand in hand. Cold===>lowered resistance===>bacteria/virus===>sickness. It's understandable
that people used to believe if you stayed out in the cold you'd get sick. Im' sure that many
people still believe that.

i think the actual way it works is: cold outside==> people stay indoors in unventilated
areas==>germs a plenty to inhale. when im sic in the winterm a good walk outside in

Probably so.

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the brisk air always does me good. but thats just my personal experience, and not scientifically
accurate or anything. guinness is

It does feel good.

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good too, for a cold. beer is food, right? 🙂

Guinness is good for almost anything!

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Saerah

TANSTAAFL

"We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like cells in a body. 'Cept we
can't see the body. The way fish can't see the ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other.
Hate each other. How silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE

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I was given a bottle of Shiraz as a gift. Not being a red wine drinker, I'm assuming this is to be
served at room temp. Is this the case?

Shiraz wines (which seem to be a favorite export from Australia) are a medium-bodied, somewhat
fruity wine, which should be served cool (not chilled), around 45 or 50 degrees, as should all red
wines, except for the very fullest-bodied ones.

Neil