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Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more appropriate. You may
say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try to remember who
responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but all won't want to exercise
their brain in this manner - such a waste of time; I agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't do
much about those persons except TRY not to click on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I
think this is a sneaky way to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't
otherwise give them the time of day.

d

Welcome to RFC

~sunshine

Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more appropriate. You may
say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try to remember who
responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but all won't want to exercise
their brain in this manner - such a waste of time; I agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't do
much about those persons except TRY not to click on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I
think this is a sneaky way to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't
otherwise give them the time of day.

d

Get a newsreader and put that person in your kill file.

Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...

Trent

Cat...the OTHER white meat!

"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to

persons

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to keep the unrelated "topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more
appropriate. You may say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try
to remember

who

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responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but

all

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won't want to exercise their brain in this manner - such a waste of time;

I

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agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't
do much about those persons except TRY not to

click

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on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I think this is a sneaky

way

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to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't otherwise give them the
time of day.

This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies, among
other things, whether it is moderated or not. Most are not - rec.food.recipes is one of the few that
is, IIRC. So you cannot just say "let's get a moderator for this group." Rather you would have to
start a new group, say rec.food.cooking.moderated, that is defined as moderated from the start.

--
Peter Aitken

Remove the [censored] from my email address before using.

"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know?

If the newsgroup were moderated, you'd see the word "moderated".

Alas, it isn't there.

You can filter out unwanted posts, as many will instruct. I personally have no one in my killfile. I
prefer to scan a subject line, and you can usually tell if it's related to the topic or not.

Usually I'll put OT (for Off-Topic) in a post that has no bearing on the concensus.

Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more appropriate. You may
say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try to remember who
responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but all won't want to exercise
their brain in this manner - such a waste of time; I agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't do
much about those persons except TRY not to click on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I
think this is a sneaky way to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't
otherwise give them the time of day.

d

Some newsgroups are moderated and were set up that way.

Who would you want to moderate this group? Personally I do my own moderating rather than having
someone else telling me what is OK for me to read.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

There are too many brilliant liberals in this group simply bursting with commentary on every subject
for there to be any hope of a moderator functioning at all. Cooking type folk are uniquely
positioned to render opinion on all subjects, and they know it.

Besides---moderation kills groups.

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more appropriate. You may
say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try to remember who
responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but all won't want to exercise
their brain in this manner - such a waste of time; I agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't do
much about those persons except TRY not to click on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I
think this is a sneaky way to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't
otherwise give them the time of day.

d

On moderation: Generally speaking, it is a good thing. Recently added way too much garlic my chili.
The next batch I reduced to one clove, which seemed about right for this particular Hellmart garlic.
The problem is the reduced garlic intensity revealed a chronic tartness/ astringency, which I'm now
convinced is caused by the tomato products I've been using for years--Hunt's.

Their plum tomatoes and sauce have always served as a decent base for chile or sauce, but not
anymore. Tuttorrosso brand is good, but still not there.

Any Suggestions? I've also tried Cento, Furmano, and Contadina. At this point I'm prepared to pay
$$$ and have them imported. Dave I've grown Roma and San Marzano which produce sauce that is
thoroughly uninteresting.

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be more appropriate. You may
say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do is try to remember who
responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but all won't want to exercise
their brain in this manner - such a waste of time; I agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't do
much about those persons except TRY not to click on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I
think this is a sneaky way to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't
otherwise give them the time of day.

d

Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

Oh Christ, not another Dolt who believes the world should change to suit them.

--

Mark

N.E. Ohio

Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

Get a newsreader and put that person in your kill file.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you explain. Thanks. dee

"Trent©" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of

interesting

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

postings - some newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that
they have 80%+ got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to

persons

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to keep the unrelated "topics" off. Seems to me that there are other newsgroups that would be
more appropriate. You may say, don't click on those posts. I usually don't. One thing you can do
is try to remember

who

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

responded to those unrelated topics and don't click on them again -- but

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

won't want to exercise their brain in this manner - such a waste of time;

I

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agree.

If a person's philosophy is an aside such as a postscript to their name, well, I'd say you can't
do much about those persons except TRY not to

click

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on them again if it is not to your liking. But, I think this is a sneaky

way

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to get someone to listen to the person's propoganda that you wouldn't otherwise give them the
time of day.

d

Get a newsreader and put that person in your kill file.

Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...

Trent

Cat...the OTHER white meat!

Peter Aitken said:

This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies,
among other things, whether it is moderated or not.

This is only true for new newsgroups. Most newsgroups formed before 1989, rfc being one of them,
have no charters. In those balmy days people still knew what, where and how to post, and charters
were deemed unnecessary.

ObFood: Old-style Lithuanian goose soup. The recipe is adapted from a book I have here.

Old-style Lithuanian Goose Soup

1-1.25 kg (2 - 2 1/2 lb) goose (or duck) 2 onions 1 carrot 1 parsnip
1/2 celery root 4-5 ceps (boletus, porcini) mushrooms 250 ml (1/4 quart) beetroot kvas or juice of 1
lemon 100 g (3 1/2 oz) pearl barley (preferably large-sized) 2 tablespoons butter 500 ml (1/2
quart) sour cream 3 firm apples suitable for cooking, preferably sour
2/2 teaspoon caraway seeds fresh dill

Remove the excess fat from the goose (or duck), cut into large pieces, put into a heavy pot, cover
with water and simmer together with 1 onion, carrot, parsnip, celery root and cut-up apples for
about 1 1/2 hours. Towards the end, add the caraway seeds. Cook the mushrooms and the second onion
(chopped) in 1/2 l (1/2 quart), adding the kvas or lemon juice. Separately, cook the pearl barley
until it disintegrates (making a kind of barley congee), drain and mix with the butter, working it
into a purée, then whip it up into a whitish soufflé consistency. Add sour cream and mix until
foamy. Mix into the hot soup and heat through, taking care it doesn't boil. Serve, sprinkled with
some dill.

Victor

"Peter Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies,
among other things, whether it is moderated or not. Most are not - rec.food.recipes is one of the
few that is, IIRC. So you cannot just say "let's get a moderator for this group." Rather you
would have to start a new group, say rec.food.cooking.moderated, that is defined as moderated
from the start.

But that would be an uphill battle and a general waste of time. The attempt to create a group
called rec.food.vegetables, if you recall, was properly trounced by one of the largest no votes in
Usenet history.

--
"The problem with the French is they have no word for entrepreneur."

attributed to George W. Bush by Tony Blair via Baroness Williams

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"Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Does anyone know?

If the newsgroup were moderated, you'd see the word "moderated".

Alas, it isn't there.

Alas????? Sheesh...

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Usually I'll put OT (for Off-Topic) in a post that has no bearing on the concensus.

That's a pretty standard Usenet convention.

--
"The problem with the French is they have no word for entrepreneur."

attributed to George W. Bush by Tony Blair via Baroness Williams

in article [email hidden], The Cook at
[email hidden] wrote on 12/11/03 11:28 AM:

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Dee Randall said:

Does anyone know?

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

(snip)

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Some newsgroups are moderated and were set up that way.

Who would you want to moderate this group? Personally I do my own moderating rather than having
someone else telling me what is OK for me to read.

YUP! It's refreshing to have access to everything that's out there, for ME to wade through and
decide what is chaff and what is grain.

Do you realize that virtually all media we are exposed to is "moderated"? Think about it. Someone
else decides what is newsworthy and what is not, and what we get to see on the news, on tv, hear on
the radio and read in the newspapers and magazines.

The beauty of the internet is that it's ALL here, for the taking. Whatever you want to see, you can
find it. Whatever you want to avoid, easy to do, just either click on "next" or don't pull it up in
the first place. Each of us is responsible for our own "content".

You want a moderator? You find a moderated group. There are plenty of them out there.

Leave this one alone for those of us grown-up enough to "moderate" our own lives and feel no need to
apply our standards to anyone else.

sunshine said:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:27:38 -0500, "Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just now subscribing to this food newsgroup which has a lot of interesting postings - some
newsgroups have digressed to unrelated and disturbing postings to the extent that they have 80%+
got away from their topic.

But I am wondering if there are no moderators on all newsgroups to persons to keep the unrelated
"topics" off.

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Welcome to RFC

Indeed. There are moderated and unmoderated newsgroups. rec.food.recipes is, I believe, moderated.
Only recipes and recipe requests are allowed. Chatty groups like rfc frequently post "off topic
(OT)" and a thread that begins with a pickle question can devolve into a discussion of guitars,
depending on who's reminded of what along the way. Straightforward queries on cooking topics
generally receive serious consideration and reliable replies. At least for a while. :-)

Many newsreaders have a "killfile" feature that will automatically eliminate your seeing msgs from
particular people/addresses. The web/internet has traditionally been pretty much 'free form' and
unsupervised. Like Hyde Park -- you can study nature, ride a horse, or speak on any topic you
choose. There's no "net nanny" in the system.

Interious said:

There are too many brilliant liberals in this group simply bursting with commentary on every
subject for there to be any hope of a moderator functioning at all. Cooking type folk are uniquely
positioned to render opinion on all subjects, and they know it.

Besides---moderation kills groups.

I just had a good laugh at the thought of what kind of masochist would take on the 24 hour a day job
of sifting through posts to rfc for content. My next thought was, man, what a damper that would put
on the newsgroup. Best for people who want cooking advice to just ask for it, usually it is
answered. No need to beat the spirit out of the newsgroup.

nancy

Victor Sack said:

Peter Aitken said:

This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies,
among other things, whether it is moderated or not.

This is only true for new newsgroups. Most newsgroups formed before 1989, rfc being one of them,
have no charters. In those balmy days people still knew what, where and how to post, and charters
were deemed unnecessary.

ObFood: Old-style Lithuanian goose soup. The recipe is adapted from a book I have here.

Old-style Lithuanian Goose Soup

1-1.25 kg (2 - 2 1/2 lb) goose (or duck) 2 onions 1 carrot 1 parsnip
1/2 celery root 4-5 ceps (boletus, porcini) mushrooms 250 ml (1/4 quart) beetroot kvas or juice of
1 lemon 100 g (3 1/2 oz) pearl barley (preferably large-sized) 2 tablespoons butter 500 ml (1/2
quart) sour cream 3 firm apples suitable for cooking, preferably sour
1/2 teaspoon caraway seeds fresh dill

Remove the excess fat from the goose (or duck), cut into large pieces, put into a heavy pot, cover
with water and simmer together with 1 onion, carrot, parsnip, celery root and cut-up apples for
about 1 1/2 hours. Towards the end, add the caraway seeds. Cook the mushrooms and the second onion
(chopped) in 1/2 l (1/2 quart), adding the kvas or lemon juice. Separately, cook the pearl barley
until it disintegrates (making a kind of barley congee), drain and mix with the butter, working it
into a purée, then whip it up into a whitish soufflé consistency. Add sour cream and mix until
foamy. Mix into the hot soup and heat through, taking care it doesn't boil. Serve, sprinkled with
some dill.

Victor

When Barbara was here, we went to a nice restaurant, Ouest, whose owner, Tom Vaalenti, happened to
be written up in this week's N.Y. Times Food Section. The soup on the three course prix fixe dinner
was duck soup and both of us ordered it. Marcel had Belgian Endive salad. The soup was wonderful,
but it was not anything like the one of your recipe. No sour cream, no beetroot and no caraway
seeds. Next time I go there, I will see whether I can get the recipe. I never had any kind of duck
soup before. I thought the very name and the Marx Brothers film meant that Duck Soup is some kind
of joke. MS

In article <[email hidden]>, "Dee Randall"

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Get a newsreader and put that person in your kill file.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you explain. Thanks. dee

You're using Outlook Express to read news. There exists software specifically reading news -- Agent,
Free Agent, others for Windows; NewsWatcher, MacSoup, others for Macintosh. The good ones allow you
to create filters on posts -- by author, by subject, perhaps by length of post. For example, I can
choose to highlight the names of certain posters so their posts are readily visible when my group's
list of posts appears. I can choose to'kill' or "kill file" certain subjects or posters if I don't
even want them to show up on my screen. The filters may have time limits (you choose) on them. HTH.
--
-Barb <www.jamlady.eboard.com> "If you're ever in a jam, here I am."

[email hidden] (Victor Sack) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies,
among other things, whether it is moderated or not.

This is only true for new newsgroups. Most newsgroups formed before 1989, rfc being one of them,
have no charters. In those balmy days people still knew what, where and how to post, and charters
were deemed unnecessary.

Oh, the days *before* people discovered how much fun flaming can be...you're dating
yourself, Victor.

--
"The problem with the French is they have no word for entrepreneur."

attributed to George W. Bush by Tony Blair via Baroness Williams

Victor Sack said:

Peter Aitken said:

This group has no moderator. When a newsgroup is first formed it has a charter that specifies,
among other things, whether it is moderated or not.

This is only true for new newsgroups. Most newsgroups formed before 1989, rfc being one of them,
have no charters. In those balmy days people still knew what, where and how to post, and charters
were deemed unnecessary.

Actually, charters were the result of overweaning give-some-people- a-badge-ism in the news.groups
discussions. They're as useless as [censored] on a Republican Presidential Candidate.

--Blair "Give some people a profit motive."