Observation test by TFL

jd said:

I'm sure you've all seen this sort of observation test before, I know
I have, but I still failed it:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

superb, I failed it too.
I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

TerryJ

TerryJ said the following on 11/03/2008 12:42:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head
up, looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright
yellow apparition heading towards him.

Oh yeah - I failed as well. I could have sworn the moon-walking bear
wasn't in the first clip!!!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

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Quoted message said:

TerryJ said the following on 11/03/2008 12:42:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head up,
looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright yellow
apparition heading towards him.

Oh yeah - I failed as well. I could have sworn the moon-walking bear wasn't
in the first clip!!!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

yes I failed!
never even thought about it even though Paul told us about it!

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Paul Boyd usenet.is.worse@plusnet said:

TerryJ said the following on 11/03/2008 12:42:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head
up, looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright
yellow apparition heading towards him.

Oh yeah - I failed as well.  I could have sworn the moon-walking bear
wasn't in the first clip!!!

--
Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

I replayed the whole sequence, to make sure it wasn't a different
take. You're concentrating so hard on the guys in the white kit that
you can't pay attension to those in the dark, including the
moonwalking bear.

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

David L

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TerryJ said the following on 11/03/2008 12:42:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head
up, looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright
yellow apparition heading towards him.

Oh yeah - I failed as well. I could have sworn the moon-walking bear
wasn't in the first clip!!!

I had the bad luck to remember when the original of this came out, so I
wasn't following the instructions :-)

cheers,
clive

David Lloyd said:

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Isn't it? The point of the ad is that you shouldn't second guess what's
expected. Some folk do, and therein lies the problem.

This thread already has incidents related of people who look straight at
cyclists potentially about to hit them, but they still don't wise up.
So in those cases they really were no more visible than our ursine
friend with the 80s dance moves.

Pete.
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David Lloyd said:

Paul Boyd usenet.is.worse@plusnet said:

TerryJ said the following on 11/03/2008 12:42:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

Quoted message said:

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head
up, looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright
yellow apparition heading towards him.

Quoted message said:

Oh yeah - I failed as well. I could have sworn the moon-walking bear
wasn't in the first clip!!!

Quoted message said:

--
Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

I replayed the whole sequence, to make sure it wasn't a different
take. You're concentrating so hard on the guys in the white kit that
you can't pay attension to those in the dark, including the
moonwalking bear.

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

I think your comments are true to an extent. I had to adjust my
monitor to convince myself that the bear was actually a bear and not
just another dark player. I got the count wrong the first time because
I counted the "pass" under the leg of the one with the white headband
to himself. In the replay there are only twelve passes because the
clip stops short (although I counted 13) and I still nearly missed the
"bear". So then I had to watch the first clip again and only when I
got 14 again did I work out what was going on.

Try counting the passes between the players in black (I think it's 16)
- it's really hard to do but you see the bear in your peripheral
vision (at least I do). Infact the first time I tried to count the
passes my concentration switched to the bear where he starts walking
backwards.

But I seem to recall a study where drivers were asked to drive around
(I think it was a mock road layout) and count cyclists. There were two
groups, one of which just had to count and one got a pound for each
cyclist they spotted. The group being paid spotted far more than the
group just asked to count. (Googling hasn't turned anything up so
maybe I dreamt this)

Tim.

jd said:

I'm sure you've all seen this sort of observation test before, I know
I have, but I still failed it:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

I only counted 10 passes, instead of 13, but I did spot the bear.

However I was not concentrating on counting the passes, and was watching
the whole scene as I have seen done these type of tests before.

In article said:

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Having once been knocked off my bike by a motorist who said
"I'm very sorry, I was looking for a car", it's not _quite_
the same, but the effect is relevent.

(Alan Braggins) said:

In article said:

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Quoted message said:

Having once been knocked off my bike by a motorist who said
"I'm very sorry, I was looking for a car", it's not _quite_
the same, but the effect is relevent.

As a driver, when I look in the rearview mirror for vehicles in the
outside lane before I move into it to overtake someone, I find that it
takes just that bit longer for a single headlight to register as I am
probably looking for 2. Which is unfortunate as motorbikes sometimes move
a lot faster than I expect as well...

Roos

David Lloyd said:

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Sadly, yes. Not as /uncommon/, but just as /unexpected/.

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Roos Eisma said the following on 11/03/2008 16:53:

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As a driver, when I look in the rearview mirror for vehicles in the
outside lane before I move into it to overtake someone, I find that it
takes just that bit longer for a single headlight to register as I am
probably looking for 2. Which is unfortunate as motorbikes sometimes move
a lot faster than I expect as well...

Ditto - at roundabouts for instance, I think most drivers just quickly
glance to their right looking for big things. As a cycling driver, I
consciously scan the roundabout looking for small things!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

David Lloyd said:

Paul Boyd usenet.is.worse@plusnet said:

TerryJ:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I recall a pedestrian a couple of years ago who looked me right in the
eyes ,or so I thought, then stepped into my path and was quite uppity
when she got a fright.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had one of those on a cycle lane last night - walking towards me, head
up, looked me full in the face, yet apparently hadn't seen this bright
yellow apparition heading towards him.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh yeah - I failed as well. I could have sworn the moon-walking bear
wasn't in the first clip!!!

Quoted message said:

I replayed the whole sequence, to make sure it wasn't a different
take. You're concentrating so hard on the guys in the white kit that
you can't pay attension to those in the dark, including the
moonwalking bear.

Quoted message said:

However, this is not quite the same as what car drivers should be
paying attension to. Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Well actually, although saying so will probably cause apoplexy in some,
you are wrong because motorists (inc,luding van, bus and lorry drivers
as well as motorcyclists) *are* asked to "count" (or at least, to
monitor the counting of) something - for almost all of the time that the
vehicle is moving - with severe penalties for even minor infractions due
to neglect or distraction.

That film could therefore be cited by supporters of the late Mr Smith as
bearing (ouch!) out what he claimed. Certainly, TaL cn't have it both ways.

JNugent said:

Well actually, although saying so will probably cause apoplexy in some,
you are wrong because motorists (inc,luding van, bus and lorry drivers
as well as motorcyclists) *are* asked to "count" (or at least, to
monitor the counting of) something

If they were forced to calculate their speed by timing the rate of
change of distance on the odometer, you'd have a point. Or if the
spedometer migrated randomly around the dash in front of and behind
other instruments

In fact, all that's involved is to notice when the position of a needle
changes and listen for engine noise.

2/10 must try harder

-dan

JNugent writtificated

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nobody is asking them to count the number of
black cabs that pass through a junction, say - just to pay attension
to other road users around them. It's not as if cyclists are as
unexpected as a moonwalking bear, is it?

Well actually, although saying so will probably cause apoplexy in some,
you are wrong

What, we do have to count the number of black cabs that pass through the
junction? Cyclists *are* as unexpected as a moonwalking bear? 🙂

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Roos Eisma said the following on 11/03/2008 16:53:

Quoted message said:

As a driver, when I look in the rearview mirror for vehicles in the outside
lane before I move into it to overtake someone, I find that it takes just
that bit longer for a single headlight to register as I am probably looking
for 2. Which is unfortunate as motorbikes sometimes move a lot faster than
I expect as well...

Ditto - at roundabouts for instance, I think most drivers just quickly
glance to their right looking for big things. As a cycling driver, I
consciously scan the roundabout looking for small things!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

The question of single lights being missed ! -- Actually when cycling or
driving at night I tend to be more aware of a single light than a pair
because I think it could be a car with one headlight not working!

A single headlight is unusual and that attracts me to it. Maybe it is just
because round here there seem to be quite a few of them!

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk