MTB Training program recommendations

Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
>It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>times a day to a smaller audience.

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>If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>systems, then why not lead by example?

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I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
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There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.

What's wrong with a private mooring? Where my family keeps the boats,
moored on private moorings we own holding docks we own, there are no
privacy issues.

Also, "most" sailboats do not have motors. Many do, but "most" do
not.

I know, I know, don't feed the trolls - but I know boats and this one
was too stupid to let pass.

Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
>It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
>conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
>with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
>around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
>that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
>lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
>(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
>size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
>many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
>times a day to a smaller audience.

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Quoted message said:

>If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
>systems, then why not lead by example?

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I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
--

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There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -

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I was reading some info on Mike Vanderman, that lying [censored], the
other day. It turns out he has always been a hypocrit and coward,
dodging issues and questions with nothing but lies and bad math. I re-
read his old posts...which bored me with repetious babble...and it all
is the same. There is nothing at all factual in any of his banter. I
respect most "real" scientist and naturalist and ecologist, being one
of the above myself, but I really am amazed that anyone would invite
such a huge fraud to speak at any convention. Probably all for profit
environmental groups only as I have witnessed. Of course his response
will be....

Lies, where's the facts...LIAR...DUH....

What intelligent responses he has too...IDIOT...etc. See, that's the
beauty of most of us on here. I don't pretend to be something I am
not. I will state it straight that Mikey is a fraud and an
[censored]...and a [censored], etc. But he is a pretender...a sheep, the great
follower. No doubt he profits as has been proven of his banter. What a
fake.

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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On Feb 6, 8:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> >conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> >with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> >around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> >that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> >lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> >(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> >size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> >many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> >times a day to a smaller audience.

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> >If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> >systems, then why not lead by example?

Quoted message said:

> I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
> technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
> to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
> --

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There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I was reading some info on Mike Vanderman, that lying [censored], the
other day. It turns out he has always been a hypocrit and coward,
dodging issues and questions with nothing but lies and bad math. I re-
read his old posts...which bored me with repetious babble...and it all
is the same. There is nothing at all factual in any of his banter. I
respect most "real" scientist and naturalist and ecologist, being one
of the above myself, but I really am amazed that anyone would invite
such a huge fraud to speak at any convention. Probably all for profit
environmental groups only as I have witnessed. Of course his response
will be....

Lies, where's the facts...LIAR...DUH....

What intelligent responses he has too...IDIOT...etc. See, that's the
beauty of most of us on here. I don't pretend to be something I am
not. I will state it straight that Mikey is a fraud and an
[censored]...and a [censored], etc. But he is a pretender...a sheep, the great
follower. No doubt he profits as has been proven of his banter. What a
fake.

Your vain attempt to prevent the TRUTH about mountain biking from
being told is duly noted. Obviously, the reason I'm continually
invited to speak is that, UNLIKE YOU, I tell the truth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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On Feb 6, 8:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >It seems counter intuitive to have people flying to an environmental
> >conference. Maybe you could push for a more distributed conference,
> >with local groups getting together to teleconference with other groups
> >around the world. It would preserve local face-to-face interaction
> >that reinforces the community aspect, but allow a global audience for
> >lectures (as well as more flexible timing via recorded playback). VoIP
> >(video and/or voice) technology could enable discussions of large
> >size. I believe Focus The Nation got together a webcast on the 31st to
> >many groups across the nation. Shouldn't be too hard do it several
> >times a day to a smaller audience.

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Quoted message said:

> >If it's all about making sacrifices to preserve our life support
> >systems, then why not lead by example?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have always made that suggestion, of course. As soon as the
> technology is available & affordable, and conference organizers want
> to do it, it will happen. Video would present privacy problems.
> --

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There are no privacy problem using a SAILBOAT, DUH!

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Yes, there are. You need a public mooring. I guess you don't own a
sailboat. By the way, most sailboats have motors.

What's wrong with a private mooring?  Where my family keeps the boats,
moored on private moorings we own holding docks we own, there are no
privacy issues.

Also, "most" sailboats do not have motors.  Many do, but "most" do
not.

I know, I know, don't feed the trolls - but I know boats and this one
was too stupid to let pass.- Hide quoted text -

It seems Mikey does own a boat because his wife said he had a little
dinghy.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

JP said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Quoted message said:

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

Quoted message said:

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

PMH

JP said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE. Repeating lies doesn't make them true, no matter
how many times you do it, in spite of what [censored] said.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>

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JP said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

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Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Quoted message said:

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

Quoted message said:

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

.... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Quoted message said:

PMH

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>

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JP said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
> are fooling NO ONE.
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Quoted message said:

> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!

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>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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And therein lies your deceit.

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I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Quoted message said:

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Mike Vandeman said:

[censored]

Everybody drink!

-Beej

Siskuwihane said:

Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>

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On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>news:[email hidden]...

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> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
> > are fooling NO ONE.
> > --
> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> > fond of!

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> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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> And therein lies your deceit.

Quoted message said:

> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
> negative
> effect on the environment whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Quoted message said:

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation

Prove it, liar.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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>On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment.You
>> > are fooling NO ONE.
>> > --
>> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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>> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> > fond of!

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>> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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>> And therein lies your deceit.

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>> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
>> negative
>> effect on the environment whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

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>> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
>> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
>> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
>> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
>> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

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Quoted message said:

>On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
>entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
>to his blatherings.
>It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
>rabid misanthropy.

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Quoted message said:

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

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Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane, then you're part of the
problem, DUH!

Mike Vandeman said:

JP said:

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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And therein lies your deceit.

Quoted message said:

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment.

Prove it, liar.

I am not sure what is worse, the fact that I have a busy msg thread,
that is completely off topic, or that I was the one that started this.
Anyway, can't beat them, joining them.

As for the tree hugging hippy [censored], my only thoughts are, WTF.

I am sure that most people in this news group, such as myself, ride
mountain bike because we enjoy it. We commute to work via bike because
it is convenient, or more economical then driving.
I own a minivan and a large car. The kids and wife will not fit in a
electric clown car, which would cost me more $$ to purchase, more $$
to maintain, and would cause more damage to the environment being
manufactured and disposed of.

As for the sailboat [censored], I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.

In a country of about 3 people per km (less then 1 per km in my area),
nature is doing fine.

One word of advise, if you see mother bear on the trails, leave her
alone. She will not think twice of pollution your rotting ass will
cause.

Mike

</RANT>

mike said:

As for the sailboat [censored], I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.

The Mayflower had NO engines! DUH!

It's not about sailboats, it's hypocrites.

Siskuwihane said:

mike said:

As for the sailboat [censored], I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.

The Mayflower had NO engines! DUH!

It's not about sailboats, it's hypocrites.

Just as a useless data point, I owned and lived on a yawl (type of
sailboat) in Hawaii that was built to race the "Mini-Transpac" (race
from California to Hawaii) that was not designed to have any engine at
all. Many is the time I sailed (without engine power) out of my slip
in the Ala Wai Yacht Harbor and then later back in and tied up at the
slip all without any engine power whatsoever. As for water, I carried
that in containers, as many ocean sailors do, and about the only
lights I ever ran at sea were running lights -- I had no engine,
alternator or inverter to run those -- they ran off a battery, charged
with shore power in port. If it needed to be recharged while out at
sea, there are many types of solar cells or generators (not engine
driven) for that purpose. I worked on several sailboats which were
retro-fitted, but not designed, to employ an engine. Granted, engine
power is nice, and I put a Johnson 5 1/2 hp outboard on it for "harbor
sails," but a sailboat definitely does not require any sort of engine
(engineless sailboat skippers often referred to power boats as
"stinkpots,"😉.
Galen Hekhuis [email hidden]

Siskuwihane said:

Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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On Feb 11, 8:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

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> >On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> >>news:[email hidden]...

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> >> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
> >> > are fooling NO ONE.
> >> > --
> >> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> >> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> >> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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> >> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> >> > fond of!

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> >> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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> >> And therein lies your deceit.

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> >> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
> >> negative
> >> effect on the environment whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

> >> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
> >> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
> >> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
> >> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
> >> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Quoted message said:

> >On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
> >entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
> >to his blatherings.
> >It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
> >rabid misanthropy.

Quoted message said:

> ... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
> truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

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Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

then you're part of the

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problem, DUH!

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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>On Feb 11, 8:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>
>> wrote:

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>> >On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>> >>news:[email hidden]...

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>> >> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
>> >> > are fooling NO ONE.
>> >> > --
>> >> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> >> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> >> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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>> >> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> >> > fond of!

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>> >> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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>> >> And therein lies your deceit.

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>> >> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
>> >> negative
>> >> effect on the environment whatsoever.

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>> >> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
>> >> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
>> >> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
>> >> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
>> >> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

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>> >On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicumof
>> >entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
>> >to his blatherings.
>> >It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
>> >rabid misanthropy.

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>> ... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
>> truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

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>Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

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Prove it, liar.

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If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

then you're part of the>problem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

Siskuwihane said:

Mike Vandeman said:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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On Feb 12, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >On Feb 11, 8:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>
> >> wrote:

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> >> >On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> >> >>news:[email hidden]...

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> >> >> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
> >> >> > are fooling NO ONE.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> >> >> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> >> >> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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> >> >> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> >> >> > fond of!

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> >> >> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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> >> >> And therein lies your deceit.

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> >> >> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creating any measurable
> >> >> negative
> >> >> effect on the environment whatsoever.

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> >> >> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
> >> >> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
> >> >> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
> >> >> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
> >> >> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

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> >> >On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
> >> >entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
> >> >to his blatherings.
> >> >It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
> >> >rabid misanthropy.

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> >> ... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
> >> truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

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> >Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

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> Prove it, liar.

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If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

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then you're part of the>problem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:25:19 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
>On Feb 12, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

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>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >On Feb 11, 8:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh <[email hidden]>
>> >> wrote:

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>> >> >On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>> >> >>news:[email hidden]...

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>> >> >> > Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
>> >> >> > are fooling NO ONE.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limitsto
>> >> >> > humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous8
>> >> >> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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>> >> >> > Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> >> >> > fond of!

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>> >> >> >http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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>> >> >> And therein lies your deceit.

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>> >> >> I/we are not flagrently raping the environment,  or creatingany measurable
>> >> >> negative
>> >> >> effect on the environment whatsoever.

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>> >> >> This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
>> >> >> incomprehensible to a sane mind.
>> >> >> A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
>> >> >> Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
>> >> >> What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

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>> >> >On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
>> >> >entertainment. There's never  anything much to be gained by responding
>> >> >to his blatherings.
>> >> >It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
>> >> >rabid misanthropy.

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>> >> ... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
>> >> truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

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>> >Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

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>> Prove it, liar.

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>If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

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Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

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then you're part of the>problem, DUH!

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This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

Case closed.