Heiden chasing Longo

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

GBMT

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

GBMT

Well, they don't ski too much in Palo Alto, so I assume she is keeping
fit all year round with bike riding. I lived there for 15 years and
never saw anyone roller skiing or even roller skating seriously.
Anyway, she just lucked out that they invented the skating style for X-
country.

-ilan

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

Didn't she live on Mount Lemmon at 9000 feet in Arizona, or maybe I am wrong
about that.

GBMT

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

GBMT

Well, they don't ski too much in Palo Alto, so I assume she is keeping
fit all year round with bike riding. I lived there for 15 years and
never saw anyone roller skiing or even roller skating seriously.
Anyway, she just lucked out that they invented the skating style for X-
country.

-ilan

Well, the Sierra Range is not even a days drive from there, and that's where
the skiing takes place for the most part. I assume she goes to Tahoe area,
or points south of there. If she active in both, then she is really active,
hey!

GBMT

This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

HC said:

This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/19/travel/0720francewarm.php

Grenoble....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=grenoble,+France&ie=UTF8&ll=45.205263,5.767822&spn=0.643434,1.167297&z=10&om=1

My sister lives in Abondance (and has a holiday rental Bernex)....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=ABONDANCE,+France&sll=45.205263,5.767822&sspn=0.643434,1.167297&ie=UTF8&ll=46.29002,6.738739&spn=0.63105,1.167297&z=10&om=1

As Ever, etc.
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HC said:

This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/19/travel/0720francewarm.php

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

Yeah,

I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
such competitions.

Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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-ilan

Yeah,

I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
such competitions.

Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.

Magilla

She won the entire women's division.

-ilan

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MagillaGorilla said:

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Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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-ilan

Yeah,

I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
such competitions.

Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.

Magilla

She won the entire women's division.

-ilan

Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. And out of
those 23, maybe 4 are serious. So she beat 4 women. The rest are
recreational skiiers.

Big whoop.

Let's see her beat some Olympians.

Magilla

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>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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Yeah,

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Quoted message said:

I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
competitive.  Millions of women that age all over the world train for
such competitions.

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Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry.  Just 6 women do it.

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Magilla

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She won the entire women's division.

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-ilan

Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it.  And out of
those 23, maybe 4 are serious.  So she beat 4 women.  The rest are
recreational skiiers.

Big whoop.

Let's see her beat some Olympians.

9,000 at the Birkie:

http://www.birkie.com/

I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.

"Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
sports-- ski, skate, bike.

World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.

(Wiki):
For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
championships during the same season several times, both with great
successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)

Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
Her brother Eric is an MD.

So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).

In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!"😉 but that's another
story. --D-y

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On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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>>-ilan

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>Yeah,

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>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
>competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
>such competitions.

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>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.

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>Magilla

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She won the entire women's division.

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-ilan

Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. And out of
those 23, maybe 4 are serious. So she beat 4 women. The rest are
recreational skiiers.

Big whoop.

Let's see her beat some Olympians.

9,000 at the Birkie:

http://www.birkie.com/

I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.

"Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
sports-- ski, skate, bike.

World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.

(Wiki):
For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
championships during the same season several times, both with great
successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)

Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
Her brother Eric is an MD.

So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).

In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!"😉 but that's another
story. --D-y

Which Olympians did she beat in cycling? When Beth Heiden competed in
skating, it was a very shallow depth of competition (probably not a
whole different than it is now). 1980 was when only amateurs could
compete in the Olympics anyway.

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

Magilla

This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
be compared meaningfully to anything
previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.

I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

-ilan

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MagillaGorilla said:

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

Magilla

This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
be compared meaningfully to anything
previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.

I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

-ilan

So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden
wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.

Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is [censored]:

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13939.0.html

Magilla

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>>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.

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>>Yeah,

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>>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
>>competitive.  Millions of women that age all over the world train for
>>such competitions.

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>>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry.  Just 6 women do it.

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>>Magilla

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>She won the entire women's division.

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>-ilan

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Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it.  And out of
those 23, maybe 4 are serious.  So she beat 4 women.  The rest are
recreational skiiers.

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Big whoop.

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Quoted message said:

Let's see her beat some Olympians.

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9,000 at the Birkie:

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http://www.birkie.com/

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I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.

Quoted message said:

"Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
sports-- ski, skate, bike.

Quoted message said:

World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.

Quoted message said:

(Wiki):
For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
championships during the same season several times, both with great
successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)

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Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
Her brother Eric is an MD.

Quoted message said:

So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).

Quoted message said:

In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!"😉 but that's another
story.   --D-y

Which Olympians did she beat in cycling?  When Beth Heiden competed in
skating, it was a very shallow depth of competition (probably not a
whole different than it is now).  1980 was when only amateurs could
compete in the Olympics anyway.

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.

I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.

They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
flinger.

And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
"all the above".

I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?

Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?

Giants by 11. --D-y

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MagillaGorilla said:

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
be compared meaningfully to anything
previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.

I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

You don't really think that a moron will be able to "get out" of anything at
all do you Ilan?

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I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.

I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.

They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
flinger.

And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
"all the above".

I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?

Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?

Giants by 11. --D-y

Nice post--thanks.

Steve

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On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

Quoted message said:

This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
be compared meaningfully to anything
previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.

Quoted message said:

I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

You don't really think that a moron will be able to "get out" of anything at
all do you Ilan?

Actually, I find these Magilla responses sort of entertaining, nothing
fazes him. Such calm in the face of adversity is usually commendable.

I find Magilla somewhat similar to the failed graduate student types
who dominate Wikipedia editing. They will insist on removing anything
you contribute on your own area of expertise and will be undaunted
until I call on one of my own WIkipedia admin friends. It's all part
of the democratization of the Internet, the price to pay for freedom.

-ilan