Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how supposedly 'great' she was.
Magilla
This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer be compared meaningfully to anything previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
-ilan
So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is [censored]:
He [Steve Johnson] explained that USA Cycling is not responsible for deciding [a sentence], they are only responsible for enforcing it. That means that had he paid attention, and made the decision that that was the wrong outcome, he was not under any obligation to enforce it. It's evident in the way the Spanish federation has dealt with Iban Mayo, where the UCI just goes around shopping for test results that they like.
The Spanish federation decided we're not going to enforce that, sorry. That's what Steve Johnson could have done - had he been astute enough to pay attention and intelligent enough to understand it. It's possible he's not smart enough to understand the science. But in that case he shouldn't be in charge of USA Cycling.
Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how supposedly 'great' she was.
Magilla
This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer be compared meaningfully to anything previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
-ilan
So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is [censored]:
From my point of view, the problem that is taking cycling backwards and not forwards is that it's becoming polarized. You have teams like Team High Horse, or whatever they're called these days, and Jonathan Vaughters' team, and they are saying we don't care about winning, we just want to be clean and so it's okay with us to get whatever place we get because we're not doping. You know what? That's one of the most offensive things you could ever say. That immediately accuses everyone who finishes ahead you of doping. That's hypocrisy. That's asinine. They have to stop saying that. It's all fine and good that they are against doping, but for them to say we're not interested in winning, we're just interested in being clean is an accusation of anyone that is better than them.
Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how supposedly 'great' she was.
Magilla
This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer be compared meaningfully to anything previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
-ilan
So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is [censored]:
"I want to make clear my intention is not to make Steve Johnson look bad. I believe he is intelligent enough to be in the position he's in, and I believe he has the right intentions. But I also understand that he's afraid politically to say anything, when that shouldn't be the case. There shouldn't be political pressure on Steve Johnson to avoid the answers to those questions. The problem is not Steve Johnson, the problem is the fact that there's pressure on him to be unable to answer those questions. That in itself is a problem."
Come one Floyd, don't pull punches. Call him a spineles invertebrate.
I find Magilla somewhat similar to the failed graduate student types who dominate Wikipedia editing. They will insist on removing anything you contribute on your own area of expertise and will be undaunted until I call on one of my own WIkipedia admin friends. It's all part of the democratization of the Internet, the price to pay for freedom.
On Jan 21, 5:49 pm, Steven Bornfeld <[email hidden]>
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I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you, either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
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I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
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They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces- flinger.
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And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non- professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle "all the above".
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I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?
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I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you, either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
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I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
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They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces- flinger.
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And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non- professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle "all the above".
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Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?
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Giantsby11. --D-y
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Nice post--thanks.
You're welcome,Giantsfan <g>. --D-y
Missed the spread. Had confidence in the D. Got the V. Sweet.
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Yep, nice job by the Giants. They kcked our ass from beginning to end. No fluke that they won. They were tougher and the better team last night. Looks like little Eli's grown up. Bill C
