kryptonite locks so far bad

"ilaboo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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1st one--combination lock type of thing $19.00 lasted 2 months before th
flip part to change combo just fell off and lock stopped working.

2nd one a key type lock--same prize--lock lasted 2 months before lock
would not lock

3rd one--lock type $25.oo small protective metal winddows--one windo stuck
open

all locks where cable type

i am not sure there is any quality control on these

fwiw

peter

Why wouldn't you send it back for a replacement or for money. Online they
might or the store might.
I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

peter

Why wouldn't you send it back for a replacement or for money.

place where i baught them just exchanged them

should note that i park my bike on an open pier covered

and i ride no matter what the weather--I really dont think these locks are
made for the type of biking i do--my latest kryptonite lock stuggles to open
in the wet cold days we are having in nyc--i am not looking forward to real
freezing weather and a lock that does not open--a pox on kryptonites house

take care
peter

"ilaboo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

peter

Why wouldn't you send it back for a replacement or for money.

place where i baught them just exchanged them

should note that i park my bike on an open pier covered

and i ride no matter what the weather--I really dont think these locks are
made for the type of biking i do--my latest kryptonite lock stuggles to
open in the wet cold days we are having in nyc--i am not looking forward
to real freezing weather and a lock that does not open--a pox on
kryptonites house

take care
peter

Oh, that reminds me, cause I leave a couple bikes outside and I had one for
snow, I took it riding because I had to go out and the damn derailleur
broke off within a mile and got wrapped into the spokes. had to walk it
home another half mile. I figure it was just the cold and cheap parts. My
GT performed fine once I could use the narrow tires again. I think the
kryptonite though (expensive ones) being through hardened steel will not
break and I would use iced lock opener for your lock too in the icy cold.
Bless you for taking on that winter on a bicycle.

nash said:

"ilaboo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> peter
Why wouldn't you send it back for a replacement or for money.

place where i baught them just exchanged them

should note that i park my bike on an open pier covered

and i ride no matter what the weather--I really dont think these
locks are made for the type of biking i do--my latest kryptonite
lock stuggles to open in the wet cold days we are having in nyc--i
am not looking forward to real freezing weather and a lock that does
not open--a pox on kryptonites house

take care
peter

Oh, that reminds me, cause I leave a couple bikes outside and I had
one for snow, I took it riding because I had to go out and the damn
derailleur broke off within a mile and got wrapped into the spokes. had to
walk it home another half mile. I figure it was just the cold and cheap
parts.

I've had this happen on the day after I rode through a snowstorm, with the
temperature just below freezing. I figured there was ice in the derailleur,
which made it act unnaturally under pressure to shift to a lower gear. The
cold itself shouldn't have much effect on a derailleur.

--
Mike Kruger
Gravity -- It's not just a good idea. It's the law.

nash said:

I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dennis P. Harris) said:

nash said:

I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

That's why it's a good idea to supplement/encumber
a U-lock with a cable lock (around the U-lock.)
IOW, lock the lock.

Of course, thieves may have something with which to
cut the cable, as well as to crack the U-lock.

cheers,
Tom

--
"Give me a place to stand and a lever long enough ..."
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Dec 23, 4:33 am, [email hidden] (Dennis P. Harris)

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:23:57 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "nash"

Quoted message said:

I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

That's why a mini-u around the rear wheel is the best bet. Not enough
room for a 2x4.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html

I'm surprised the OP still has a bike, using a cable lock in NYC.
Yikes.

(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dennis P. Harris) said:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:23:57 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "nash"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

Quoted message said:

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

Quoted message said:

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

That's why it's a good idea to supplement/encumber
a U-lock with a cable lock (around the U-lock.)
IOW, lock the lock.

Of course, thieves may have something with which to
cut the cable, as well as to crack the U-lock.

That's why I'd never lock a bike that's "sexy" to thieves outside. I
locked a $800 Nexus bike in sketchy areas of Chicago overnight all the
time--with hand painted fenders, electrical tape, and a plastic bag on
the seat. Never a problem.

If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

landotter said:

(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dennis P. Harris) said:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:23:57 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "nash"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
> and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

Quoted message said:

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

Quoted message said:

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

That's why it's a good idea to supplement/encumber
a U-lock with a cable lock (around the U-lock.)
IOW, lock the lock.

Of course, thieves may have something with which to
cut the cable, as well as to crack the U-lock.

That's why I'd never lock a bike that's "sexy" to thieves outside. I
locked a $800 Nexus bike in sketchy areas of Chicago overnight all the
time--with hand painted fenders, electrical tape, and a plastic bag on
the seat. Never a problem.

If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Very sharp looking Kona there!!!!! I live in a college town.
((University Of Nebraska)) and bike thefts are always high here. The
trike I ride is one of only two of that brand in the city along with a
total of about 12 trikes total. I think it stands out so much that
the theft rate for this one is almost nil. A theif wants to be able
to "blend" and he's definitely NOT going to do it one this one.

As for locking it. When I do I have a large cable and a Master lock.
Usually trying to lock it to a tree and wrapping the cable so that it
cannot be jimmied apart. But, if a theif wants something bad enough
then they WILL take it.

landotter said:

...
If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Try some bikes like these to remove the "want" factor:
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-003S.JPG>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-007S.JPG>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!

In article <[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dennis P. Harris) said:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:23:57 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "nash"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I have had 2. the new Yorker and the evolution both worth upwards of $70
> and they are perfect if this is any kind of survey.

Quoted message said:

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

Quoted message said:

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

That's why it's a good idea to supplement/encumber
a U-lock with a cable lock (around the U-lock.)
IOW, lock the lock.

Of course, thieves may have something with which to
cut the cable, as well as to crack the U-lock.

That's why I'd never lock a bike that's "sexy" to thieves outside. I
locked a $800 Nexus bike in sketchy areas of Chicago overnight all the
time--with hand painted fenders, electrical tape, and a plastic bag on
the seat. Never a problem.

If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Around these parts, Brodies have a rep as Police bikes.
Never seen an "Energy" city bike (that I recognized as such,)
though.

I note that the orig MTB guys (Fisher & Breeze, particularly)
want to crack the "city bike" market. Heh.

If it's loose enough, some crackhead despot will take it,
no matter how ugly it is. China sorely needs the metal,
and the crackheads sorely need the crack.

And if they can't free it from its mooring, they'll
just wreck it in a fit of tweeky rage.

There was an attempt to catch bike-thieves in the act
with "bait bikes":
http://tinyurl.com/2o97ns

in long form:
http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/capital_van_isl/story.html?id=acfe8aac-bf6e-411f-a12c-6f89bb

but as we know, crooks just laugh at cops and carry on
in their merry way. The cops keep trying, but the courts
keep the the revolving door ... revolving.

I think you're right on the money in terms of rendering bikes
looking less desirable.

Maybe I should restore those foundling '70s Peugots, after all.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Quoted message said:

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

What did you DO? anything?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

landotter said:

...
If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Try some bikes like these to remove the "want" factor:
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-003S.JPG>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-007S.JPG>.

Taking things too far!

I'm surprised the Kona Dew is less of a theft magnet than a Brodie
Energy:

http://www.brodiebikes.com/2006/2006_bikes/energy.php

My own choice for theft resistance is 25-year-old touring bikes, which
are terribly practical city vehicles and are unattractive to all but the
most ridiculously clueless junkies.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

landotter said:

...
If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
"dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Quoted message said:

Try some bikes like these to remove the "want" factor:
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-003S.JPG>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-007S.JPG>.

Taking things too far!

I'm surprised the Kona Dew is less of a theft magnet than a Brodie
Energy:

http://www.brodiebikes.com/2006/2006_bikes/energy.php

It's the LP vs. disk brake thing. Amusingly, the le-cheap LP Tektros
on the Kona are far nicer feeling than the [censored] Deore cable discs on
the Brodie. The Brodie also had pretty radically ovalized tubes, which
looked quite fancy in person.

Quoted message said:

My own choice for theft resistance is 25-year-old touring bikes, which
are terribly practical city vehicles and are unattractive to all but the
most ridiculously clueless junkies.

The supply of such, especially in a 60cm version, is impossible to
find in these parts. I'd have been perfectly happy with a barn fresh
87 Miyata with full accessories. As it was, the Kona was the cheapest
bike at the LBS that didn't make me cringe. After a couple nights of
tweaking, repacking, and tensioning, it's probably a more reliable
ride than the "Dr. Dew" at over twice the price. Assembly is far more
important than component silkscreening these days--well, for a utility
bike.

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

I watched a thief break a Kryptonite on someone's Cannondale in a
few seconds. Guy jumped out of a pickup, jammed an 8 foot 2x4
between the lock & the signpost to which it was locked, twisted
it, snapped the lock, grabbed the bike & jumped into the back of
the waiting pickup, which zipped away.

It all happened in front of several hundred people at Westlake
Plaza in downtown Seattle on a sunny summer Saturday afternoon.

What did you DO? anything?

the owner was in front of me in the latte line at the SBC coffee
stand on the corner. i said "is that your cannondale they're
stealing?" and he went screaming after the thieves. we were
about 50 feet away. he ran half a block after them but never
caught the truck. he did get the license number, dunno if they
ever caught them.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

landotter wrote:
> ...
> If they want your bike, it's easy enough to pop any lock short of the
> most heavy and hardened NYC models. Trick is to remove the "want".
> When I had a Brodie Energy city bike last year, strangers would ask me
> "dude, how much was that" as it had an air of exoticness (this *is*
> Tennessee) and they'd drool. Sold it and bought a Redline 925 last
> fall and a Kona Dew with fenders/racks/stand this fall. The dudes at
> the liquor store keep asking me where my "cool" bike is, meaning the
> Brodie. The only person who's commented on the Kona is a Korean native
> that said, "well, that looks practical" and she's not a thief. :-P

Quoted message said:

>http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2105535405_afda203cd5_b.jpg

Quoted message said:

Try some bikes like these to remove the "want" factor:
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-003S.JPG>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/MVC-007S.JPG>.

Taking things too far!

I'm surprised the Kona Dew is less of a theft magnet than a Brodie
Energy:

http://www.brodiebikes.com/2006/2006_bikes/energy.php

It's the LP vs. disk brake thing. Amusingly, the le-cheap LP Tektros
on the Kona are far nicer feeling than the [censored] Deore cable discs on
the Brodie. The Brodie also had pretty radically ovalized tubes, which
looked quite fancy in person.

Quoted message said:

My own choice for theft resistance is 25-year-old touring bikes, which
are terribly practical city vehicles and are unattractive to all but the
most ridiculously clueless junkies.

The supply of such, especially in a 60cm version, is impossible to
find in these parts. I'd have been perfectly happy with a barn fresh
87 Miyata with full accessories. As it was, the Kona was the cheapest
bike at the LBS that didn't make me cringe. After a couple nights of
tweaking, repacking, and tensioning, it's probably a more reliable
ride than the "Dr. Dew" at over twice the price. Assembly is far more
important than component silkscreening these days--well, for a utility
bike.

Fair enough! Mine is a Miyata 210, the unloved 27"-wheel version,
triple-butting and all. It's probably early 80s by the components
(pre-index Shimano).

I benefit by taking about a 52 cm frame, which is not only a lot more
common than 60 cm in general, but is also a fairly common size for "wife
bikes," the oft-purchased bicycle for the spouse of the serious cyclist.
The get used twice and then retire to the shed until the garage sale 2
decades later.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Ryan Cousineau said:

My own choice for theft resistance is 25-year-old touring bikes, which
are terribly practical city vehicles and are unattractive to all but the
most ridiculously clueless junkies.

I'm with you, except mine is more like 40 years old, painted flat white.

--

John ([email hidden])

In article <rcousine-D5A1A4.13591124122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,

Ryan Cousineau said:

My own choice for theft resistance is 25-year-old touring bikes, which
are terribly practical city vehicles and are unattractive to all but the
most ridiculously clueless junkies.

Especially at this colder time of year, riding
generally gives me a runny nose. When I get to
wherever I'm going, I blow my nose and discard
the used Kleenex or t.p. into the milk crate.

When I leave a bunch of wads in there while
riding through the elements, they discolour and
crisp up nicely. I can leave bags of shopping
stuff in the milk crate for a short while, stick
a handful of those wads atop them, and nobody'll
touch 'em.

The main drawback is: sometimes passers-by treat
my parked milk crate as a garbage can, into which
they'll toss their candy bar wrappers, spent T.H.
coffee cups, &c.

I've had a bunch of empty plastic grocery bags in
there, lately, too. It's a real pigpen.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

(Tom Keats) said:

The main drawback is: sometimes passers-by treat
my parked milk crate as a garbage can, into which
they'll toss their candy bar wrappers, spent T.H.
coffee cups, &c.

I don't go to the extremes you do, Tom, but man, I hate it when people
think a bike is a good place to stash a used coffee cup or empty
cigarette package. I find both jammed in my brake levers or slipped in
my cables from time to time.

Mind you, my building seems to promote the use of the bike parking
area as a smoking zone (despite being too close to the doors for local
bylaws to allow it.) This past spring, they actually removed the bike
racks from one side of the complex because some repair work cut into
the smoker's area.