Horny slaps Ball

MagillaGorilla said:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13788.0.html

Why does Horny think he needs Ball's permission to release a copy of an
unsigned contract? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to use a photocopy
machine without getting permission from a fashion designer.

I'm trying to figure out how this fight compares to the one Page is
having with his team manager. The one with Page at least has an outside
chance of ending with a fist fight inside the team motorhome if Page
finishes outside the top 5 at worlds.

Magilla

Maybe Horner is just being respectful of Ball's concerns over whether
or not he wants the details of his business dealings made public or
not. Not that Horner owes him anything, after how he was lambasted/
slandered by Ball.

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Scott said:

MagillaGorilla said:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13788.0.html

Why does Horny think he needs Ball's permission to release a copy of an
unsigned contract? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to use a photocopy
machine without getting permission from a fashion designer.

I'm trying to figure out how this fight compares to the one Page is
having with his team manager. The one with Page at least has an outside
chance of ending with a fist fight inside the team motorhome if Page
finishes outside the top 5 at worlds.

Magilla

Maybe Horner is just being respectful of Ball's concerns over whether
or not he wants the details of his business dealings made public or
not. Not that Horner owes him anything, after how he was lambasted/
slandered by Ball.

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott said:

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

On Dec 14, 1:27 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott said:

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Quoted message said:

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

Good point. But, I stand by my conclusion that he has more class than
Ball, regardless of why he doesn't go public with the info.

Bob Schwartz said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott said:

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

First of all, I'm a little bit taken back by the aggressive tone of your
post. I will respond when I stop shaking (and finish making my hot
chocolate).

Magilla

Scott said:

On Dec 14, 1:27 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott wrote:

>I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Quoted message said:

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

Good point. But, I stand by my conclusion that he has more class than
Ball, regardless of why he doesn't go public with the info.

Going to Mexico for dope and cheating on your wife is class?

Thanks for the head's up, Rod Stewart.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott said:

On Dec 14, 1:27 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Scott wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
>designer to use a photocopy machine.

Quoted message said:

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Dumbass,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bob Schwartz

Quoted message said:

Good point. But, I stand by my conclusion that he has more class than
Ball, regardless of why he doesn't go public with the info.

Going to Mexico for dope and cheating on your wife is class?

Thanks for the head's up, Rod Stewart.

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Perhaps not, but his handling of the affair in question shows more
class than that shown by Ball.

Scott said:

On Dec 14, 1:27 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott wrote:

>I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Quoted message said:

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

Good point. But, I stand by my conclusion that he has more class than
Ball, regardless of why he doesn't go public with the info.

Alright, cum gargglers, I finished making my hot chocolate. So put away
your K-Fed CD's and cap up the CVS Vaseline jar, and get ready for
beating #371.

Horny stated HE WAS WILLING to release the contract IF ONLY BALL WOULD
GIVE HIM PERMISSION. Since Green Hornet already articulated the details
of what these preliminary contractual terms were and why he rejected
them, these disclosed facts exclude ANY possibility of the ludicrous
logic you attributed to him.

Horner already made the details public and is simply claiming he wants
to release the contract to back up the VERACITY of his story as being
the truthful version (vs. Ball's purportedly false version).

See my point...If Santiago wasn't in any danger and you ordered him not
to be touched, why did he need to be transfered off the base...Colonel?
Why the two orders?

Magilla Caffey
JAG

Scott said:

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

dumbass,

this is a guy that openly states he hired goons to protect botero at
the redlands crit.

Quoted message said:

Alright, cum gargglers, I finished making my hot chocolate. So put away
your K-Fed CD's and cap up the CVS Vaseline jar, and get ready for beating
#371.

Horny stated HE WAS WILLING to release the contract IF ONLY BALL WOULD
GIVE HIM PERMISSION. Since Green Hornet already articulated the details
of what these preliminary contractual terms were and why he rejected them,
these disclosed facts exclude ANY possibility of the ludicrous logic you
attributed to him.

Horner already made the details public and is simply claiming he wants to
release the contract to back up the VERACITY of his story as being the
truthful version (vs. Ball's purportedly false version).

I don't think Chris benefits from, nor wants those documents public. He's in
a strong position now, because most people are going to believe his version
of the story, and the longer Ball waits before admitting the truth, the
worse he (Ball) looks. Chris is waiting for Ball to dig as deep a hole for
himself as he can, or simply let it slide, knowing that he's got the upper
hand.

I figured by #371 you'd be lashing out with something more than a limp
noodle.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Scott said:

On Dec 14, 1:27 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>
>>I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

>Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
>designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Bob Schwartz

Good point. But, I stand by my conclusion that he has more class than
Ball, regardless of why he doesn't go public with the info.

Alright, cum gargglers, I finished making my hot chocolate. So put away
your K-Fed CD's and cap up the CVS Vaseline jar, and get ready for beating
#371.

Horny stated HE WAS WILLING to release the contract IF ONLY BALL WOULD
GIVE HIM PERMISSION. Since Green Hornet already articulated the details
of what these preliminary contractual terms were and why he rejected them,
these disclosed facts exclude ANY possibility of the ludicrous logic you
attributed to him.

Horner already made the details public and is simply claiming he wants to
release the contract to back up the VERACITY of his story as being the
truthful version (vs. Ball's purportedly false version).

See my point...If Santiago wasn't in any danger and you ordered him not to
be touched, why did he need to be transfered off the base...Colonel? Why
the two orders?

Magilla Caffey
JAG

MagillaGorilla said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13788.0.html

Why does Horny think he needs Ball's permission to release a copy of an
unsigned contract? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to use a photocopy
machine without getting permission from a fashion designer.

1) It is good manners not to release details of
negotiations. Makes negotiations with your next
potential customer/patron/employer _much_ simpler.

2) The two parties could actually have an agreement to
maintain confidentiality.

3) They could still do business one day.

4) Even if none of items 1), 2) or 3) obtains, there is
nothing like occupying the moral high ground. Ball's in
.... no wait--time for Michael Ball to see, raise, or fold.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott said:

I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Dumbass,

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Since bicycle racing governors went medieval I have been
expecting team ownership to become more outgoing,
less decorous. It is not like there aren't a thousand
like him. Bike racing implicitly invited him into the
house by evicting TM, Unibet, Discovery-Tailwind,...
whom did I leave out?

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Scott wrote:
> I guess he (Horner) has more class than Ball.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe Horny is stupid and thinks he must get permission from a fashion
designer to use a photocopy machine.

Quoted message said:

Dumbass,

Quoted message said:

He's got a one year contract. That means he gets to do
this again next year. It is probably a good thing for
him to give the impression that preliminary stages of
the negotiation won't be made public if the
negotiation fails.

Quoted message said:

Just sayin. I doubt he gives a [censored] about pissing off
Ball. Who from the Velonews interview looks like he
might be the most entertaining team director since
Horseteef.

Since bicycle racing governors went medieval I have been
expecting team ownership to become more outgoing,
less decorous. It is not like there aren't a thousand
like him. Bike racing implicitly invited him into the
house by evicting TM, Unibet, Discovery-Tailwind,...
whom did I leave out?

dumbass,

in cycling it's always been the case that corporations prefer to
sponsor an event rather than a team. it guarantees exposure and it
avoids the pitfalls of being associated with a dirty rider.

individuals on the other hand like the connection with athletes, which
is why when you have a boss like ball or tinkov who gets to call all
the shots they will prefer to start a team.

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13788.0.html

Why does Horny think he needs Ball's permission to release a copy of an
unsigned contract? I'm pretty sure you're allowed to use a photocopy
machine without getting permission from a fashion designer.

1) It is good manners not to release details of
negotiations. Makes negotiations with your next
potential customer/patron/employer _much_ simpler.

Horny already released the details of the contractual terms. The
purpose in releasing the contract was only to show the public his
version of the story was true, since it differs from Ball's account.
Your 6th grade teacher wasn't joking when she said reading comprehension
was important.

Quoted message said:

2) The two parties could actually have an agreement to
maintain confidentiality.

Pros don't sign non-disclosure agreements as part of standard contract
negotations.

Quoted message said:

3) They could still do business one day.

You can't be serious. Ball's gonna punch Horner in the face when he
sees him at Interbike. I suggest you start reading Page 6 in the NY Post
if you want to see how Ball settles disputes.

Magilla

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Alright, cum gargglers, I finished making my hot chocolate. So put away
your K-Fed CD's and cap up the CVS Vaseline jar, and get ready for beating
#371.

Horny stated HE WAS WILLING to release the contract IF ONLY BALL WOULD
GIVE HIM PERMISSION. Since Green Hornet already articulated the details
of what these preliminary contractual terms were and why he rejected them,
these disclosed facts exclude ANY possibility of the ludicrous logic you
attributed to him.

Horner already made the details public and is simply claiming he wants to
release the contract to back up the VERACITY of his story as being the
truthful version (vs. Ball's purportedly false version).

I don't think Chris benefits from, nor wants those documents public. He's in
a strong position now, because most people are going to believe his version
of the story, and the longer Ball waits before admitting the truth, the
worse he (Ball) looks. Chris is waiting for Ball to dig as deep a hole for
himself as he can, or simply let it slide, knowing that he's got the upper
hand.

I figured by #371 you'd be lashing out with something more than a limp
noodle.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

You didn't answer the question - why does Horner feel he needs to get
Ball's PERMISSION to release the contract? I don't see where you
answered this.

Beating #371 still happened. The cops are running out of domestic
violence pamphlets for you guys.

Magilla

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Horner already made the details public and is simply claiming he wants to
release the contract to back up the VERACITY of his story as being the
truthful version (vs. Ball's purportedly false version).

I don't think Chris benefits from, nor wants those documents public. He's
in a strong position now, because most people are going to believe his
version of the story, and the longer Ball waits before admitting the
truth, the worse he (Ball) looks. Chris is waiting for Ball to dig as
deep a hole for himself as he can, or simply let it slide, knowing that
he's got the upper hand.

I figured by #371 you'd be lashing out with something more than a limp
noodle.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

You didn't answer the question - why does Horner feel he needs to get
Ball's PERMISSION to release the contract? I don't see where you
answered this.

Because that wasn't a relevant question. You're taking Horner too literally.

"If Michael Ball gives the okay, I'll be happy to release every version of
my contract that he sent me."

Translated- "If Micael Ball's dumb enough to want all this in public, all he
has to do is say the word. I've got too much class to go first. But if he
wants to escalate the trash-talk, fine, we'll take it to the next level and
I'll bring out the contracts."

Quoted message said:

Beating #371 still happened. The cops are running out of domestic
violence pamphlets for you guys.

http://despair.com/dysfunction.html

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Because that wasn't a relevant question. You're taking Horner too
literally.

"If Michael Ball gives the okay, I'll be happy to release every version of
my contract that he sent me."

Translated- "If Micael Ball's dumb enough to want all this in public, all
he has to do is say the word. I've got too much class to go first. But if
he wants to escalate the trash-talk, fine, we'll take it to the next level
and I'll bring out the contracts."

Horner is one of the nice guys in the world. I watched him pretty closely
since watching his responses in the interview pit at the San Francisco Gran
Prix. They asked him there and then ignored him and then when Lance showed
up they all crowded over to Lance actually pushing Chris out of the way.
Most people would have gotten [censored] but Chris just accepted what was
happening and rode off without a qualm. He showed a hell of a lot more class
than anyone else there.

I've since watched his actions and he is one of the most polite and friendly
guys in the pro peloton.

But I'm not in the least surprised that morons such as the ape are making
deprecating comments about him.

Tom Kunich said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Because that wasn't a relevant question. You're taking Horner too
literally.

"If Michael Ball gives the okay, I'll be happy to release every
version of my contract that he sent me."

Translated- "If Micael Ball's dumb enough to want all this in public,
all he has to do is say the word. I've got too much class to go first.
But if he wants to escalate the trash-talk, fine, we'll take it to the
next level and I'll bring out the contracts."

Horner is one of the nice guys in the world. I watched him pretty
closely since watching his responses in the interview pit at the San
Francisco Gran Prix. They asked him there and then ignored him and then
when Lance showed up they all crowded over to Lance actually pushing
Chris out of the way. Most people would have gotten [censored] but Chris
just accepted what was happening and rode off without a qualm. He showed
a hell of a lot more class than anyone else there.

I've since watched his actions and he is one of the most polite and
friendly guys in the pro peloton.

But I'm not in the least surprised that morons such as the ape are
making deprecating comments about him.

And OJ was a nice guy in the Hertz commercials and the waitresses at the
restraurent said Robert Blake was a great tipper and always polite.
What's your point, Mr. Superficial?

I can see I'm gonna have to vote for Hillary because my understasding is
her health insurance plan will cover everyone in here to have all the
Pro Tour semen pumped out of their stomach.

Your little Horner anecdote is as silly as it is meaningless. For all
you know, the guy had to take a [censored] and left to find a Port-o-john.
Maybe he was meeting a 14 year old he met on the Internet in the hotel
in 5 minutes and he didn't want to be late?

You don't know JACK.

Magilla