bike measurement chart

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Thanks,

--
JF

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Ozark Bicycle said:

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Thanks,

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

The Park Tool site does not mention X-seam length and seat-back angle,
which are the two most important measurements.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle
height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe
Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog.
Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Thanks,

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

The Park Tool site does not mention X-seam length and seat-back angle,
which are the two most important measurements.

Thanks Ozark for the park web addy. Tom, this
http://www.greenspeed.com.au/measure.html seems to suggest X-seam length is
a factor of the rider, not the bike, right?

Also, how does saddle angle (D on the Park chart) differ from seat back
angle?

--
JF

Jim Flom said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

...
Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

The Park Tool site does not mention X-seam length and seat-back angle,
which are the two most important measurements.

Thanks Ozark for the park web addy. Tom, this
http://www.greenspeed.com.au/measure.html seems to suggest X-seam length is
a factor of the rider, not the bike, right?

Yes, but X-seam length, along with crank length and rider preference for
minimum/maximum knee bend, will determine the distance from the
intersection of the seat base and seat back to the bottom bracket (front
bracket?).

Quoted message said:

Also, how does saddle angle (D on the Park chart) differ from seat back
angle?

Seat back angle is by convention measured from the horizontal. Along
with seat base height and bottom bracket height, this determines the
rider's "hip angle", which influences pedaling the same way varying
forward lean of the upper body does on an upright.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Ozark Bicycle said:

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Quoted message said:

--
JF

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Joseph

<[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Rather than through the seat tube?

--
JF

Jim Flom said:

<[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Rather than through the seat tube?

--
JF

To the back edge of the seat.

Joseph

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Anything adustable has no "original spec", since the idea is that it
gets adjusted to fit the rider both at the time of sale and as the
rider fine-tunes it later. Bikes are shipped with such components
loose, not in a fixed position. There is and will be no published
"standard" for this, though certain shops have varying customs about
how to rough-set certain things for display on the showroom floor.

Anything non-adjustable will probably be non-dismantlable as well. As
such, there's nothing to check during repairs. The frame on a bike is
not intended to come apart, and while tube dimensions for some bikes
are published as part of the fitment guide information, this is not a
situation where you would have any significant likelihood of being in
danger of changing those dimensions without doing some fairly unusual
and destructive things to the bike.

If you intend to build a bike from scratch, you need to learn a great
deal more before you will know which are the questions that you
*should* be asking. (I do not consider myself to be at that level, but
I have a concept of what it looks like.)
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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"Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Anything adustable has no "original spec", since the idea is that it
gets adjusted to fit the rider both at the time of sale and as the
rider fine-tunes it later.

I can see that the way I phrased my question wasn't as clear as it might've
been. By "original spec" I meant the original fit my LBS provided me with
when they fit my best bike to me. The chart will enable me to record that
so I can re-create it after a dissassembly. In my case, I have also used
that fit as a template for fitting two other roads bikes that I got from
less fit-tuned bike shops. I understand there are variances between the
frames, etc., but it gives me a starting place.

--
JF

Jim Flom said:

<[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Rather than through the seat tube?

I think Park intend that the measurement is "through the seat tube";
hence the 'broken line' running through the vertical center of the
seat tube.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),

Quoted post said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

Jim Flom said:

I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Quoted message said:

--
JF

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),

Quoted post said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Nov 26, 8:09 pm, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
> measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
> handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
> hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
> Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
> longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
> anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

> Thanks,

> --
> JF

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I have been at the finish line of some bike races where riders have
told me to not touch the seat. Bathroom breaks are options some riders
do not seem to take seriously. Kind of icky.

Jim Behning said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),

Quoted post said:

On Nov 27, 3:36 am, Ozark Bicycle
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 8:09 pm, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
> > measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
> > handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
> > hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
> > Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
> > longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
> > anyone refer me to some such website, etc?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > --
> > JF
>
> Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ypesod
>
> or
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I have been at the finish line of some bike races where riders have
told me to not touch the seat. Bathroom breaks are options some riders
do not seem to take seriously. Kind of icky.

Dear Jim,

I doubt that anyone [censored] on the gleaming bike in those pictures.

The blue gloves for measuring the distance with digital calipers from
a straight edge on the drops to the tip of the brake lever looks more
like a silly affectation.

You can see the foolishness developing here:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=100

The first five black and white pictures show someone courageously
starting to remove wheels to repair flats without gloves. He ends up
pulling the rear wheel bare-handed:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/whl_out.jpg

But the sixth picture, still black and white, duplicates that rear
wheel picture with a different bike and shows that the poor fellow has
too scared to touch a bicycle wheel unless he's wearing latex gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/der8.jpg

The same pattern continues with the next five black and white pictures
that show how to use tire irons. The first four show someone using his
bare hands, culminating in this shocking bare-knuckled photo:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/TL_2.jpg

But in the fifth picture he's put on a pair of gloves lest his bare
flesh touch a different tire lever on a different tire and rim:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tire14.jpg

By the time we get down to the inner tube pictures in color, he's
afraid to touch a brand-new inner tube's Schrader valve without
wearing surgical gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tube2.jpg

Putting on latex gloves to pose while holding a tape measure against a
showroom bicycle or to take a picture of someone holding an inner tube
just removed from the box is a harmless foible, but it's silly enough
to deserve comment.

Your doctor won't put on surgical gloves to put a stethoscope on your
back, shine a light in your eyes, take your blood pressure, tap your
knee with a rubber mallet, write a prescription, or shake your hand.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Jim Behning said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>On Nov 27, 3:36 am, Ozark Bicycle
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>> On Nov 26, 8:09 pm, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
>> > measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
>> > handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
>> > hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
>> > Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
>> > longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
>> > anyone refer me to some such website, etc?
>>
>> > Thanks,
>>
>> > --
>> > JF
>>
>> Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ypesod
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod
>
>Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.
>
>Joseph

Dear Joseph,

Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I have been at the finish line of some bike races where riders have
told me to not touch the seat. Bathroom breaks are options some riders
do not seem to take seriously. Kind of icky.

Dear Jim,

I doubt that anyone [censored] on the gleaming bike in those pictures.

The blue gloves for measuring the distance with digital calipers from
a straight edge on the drops to the tip of the brake lever looks more
like a silly affectation.

You can see the foolishness developing here:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=100

The first five black and white pictures show someone courageously
starting to remove wheels to repair flats without gloves. He ends up
pulling the rear wheel bare-handed:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/whl_out.jpg

But the sixth picture, still black and white, duplicates that rear
wheel picture with a different bike and shows that the poor fellow has
too scared to touch a bicycle wheel unless he's wearing latex gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/der8.jpg

The same pattern continues with the next five black and white pictures
that show how to use tire irons. The first four show someone using his
bare hands, culminating in this shocking bare-knuckled photo:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/TL_2.jpg

But in the fifth picture he's put on a pair of gloves lest his bare
flesh touch a different tire lever on a different tire and rim:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tire14.jpg

By the time we get down to the inner tube pictures in color, he's
afraid to touch a brand-new inner tube's Schrader valve without
wearing surgical gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tube2.jpg

Putting on latex gloves to pose while holding a tape measure against a
showroom bicycle or to take a picture of someone holding an inner tube
just removed from the box is a harmless foible, but it's silly enough
to deserve comment.

Your doctor won't put on surgical gloves to put a stethoscope on your
back, shine a light in your eyes, take your blood pressure, tap your
knee with a rubber mallet, write a prescription, or shake your hand.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I guess I need to spend $200 to test that theory. I have not been to
the doctor in a long while. I do visit the dentist twice a year but
they always wear gloves. Are they saying something? ;-) Yes, floss
more is what they are saying.

I am not going to look at any more bare handed pictures even if they
are in black and white. They are just too shocking. Almost as sad as
this one. Don't look unless you have a strong stomach.
http://www.pixiport.com/cgi-bin/PixiDetail.pl?IMAGE=Gallery-E/GE5-05.jpg&LINK=Gallery-E05.htm&CAP=

aka Carl Fogel said:

...
Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

If the gloves are blue, they are likely nitrile rubber, not latex.

Latex gloves for bicycle repair would be silly, since latex rubber is
partially soluble in lighter petroleum fractions, while nitrile rubber
is not.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:30:05 -0500, Jim Behning
Putting on latex gloves to pose while holding a tape measure against a
showroom bicycle or to take a picture of someone holding an inner tube
just removed from the box is a harmless foible, but it's silly enough
to deserve comment.

But you completely overlooked the helpful hint to inspect the tire for
nails among other things. After all, it might be small and you may
falsely assume that it isn't still in the tire:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tirenail1.jpg

Jim Behning said:

I am not going to look at any more bare handed pictures even if they
are in black and white. They are just too shocking. Almost as sad as
this one. Don't look unless you have a strong stomach.
http://www.pixiport.com/cgi-bin/PixiDetail.pl?IMAGE=Gallery-E/GE5-05.jpg&LINK=
Gallery-E05.htm&CAP=

Ack. Man-[censored].

--
Ted Bennett

Jim Behning said:

Quoted message said:

Jim Behning said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:16:05 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),
>"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 27, 3:36 am, Ozark Bicycle
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> On Nov 26, 8:09 pm, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
>>> > measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
>>> > handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
>>> > hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
>>> > Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
>>> > longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
>>> > anyone refer me to some such website, etc?
>>>
>>> > Thanks,
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > JF
>>>
>>> Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ypesod
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod
>>
>>Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.
>>
>>Joseph
>
>Dear Joseph,
>
>Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
>latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
>measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.
>
>I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carl Fogel
I have been at the finish line of some bike races where riders have
told me to not touch the seat. Bathroom breaks are options some riders
do not seem to take seriously. Kind of icky.

Dear Jim,

I doubt that anyone [censored] on the gleaming bike in those pictures.

The blue gloves for measuring the distance with digital calipers from
a straight edge on the drops to the tip of the brake lever looks more
like a silly affectation.

You can see the foolishness developing here:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=100

The first five black and white pictures show someone courageously
starting to remove wheels to repair flats without gloves. He ends up
pulling the rear wheel bare-handed:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/whl_out.jpg

But the sixth picture, still black and white, duplicates that rear
wheel picture with a different bike and shows that the poor fellow has
too scared to touch a bicycle wheel unless he's wearing latex gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/der8.jpg

The same pattern continues with the next five black and white pictures
that show how to use tire irons. The first four show someone using his
bare hands, culminating in this shocking bare-knuckled photo:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/TL_2.jpg

But in the fifth picture he's put on a pair of gloves lest his bare
flesh touch a different tire lever on a different tire and rim:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tire14.jpg

By the time we get down to the inner tube pictures in color, he's
afraid to touch a brand-new inner tube's Schrader valve without
wearing surgical gloves:

http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/tube2.jpg

Putting on latex gloves to pose while holding a tape measure against a
showroom bicycle or to take a picture of someone holding an inner tube
just removed from the box is a harmless foible, but it's silly enough
to deserve comment.

Your doctor won't put on surgical gloves to put a stethoscope on your
back, shine a light in your eyes, take your blood pressure, tap your
knee with a rubber mallet, write a prescription, or shake your hand.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

I guess I need to spend $200 to test that theory. I have not been to
the doctor in a long while. I do visit the dentist twice a year but
they always wear gloves. Are they saying something? ;-) Yes, floss
more is what they are saying.

Dear Jim,

Stop falling for that riding-dirt-bikes-in-the-cemetery line.

Start thinking about who really does the work that you pay those
dentists for.

***

Marge: Oh hi kids, you're just in time to go to the dentist!

Bart: DENTIST?! You said we were going to ride dirt bikes around the
cemetery!

Lisa: Oh, Bart, you fall for that every six months.

Homer: [Pulls up on a dirt bike] Hey, suckers, check it out -- Marge
is taking me to ride dirt bikes at the cemetery!

Lisa: You're going to the dentist too, Dad.

Homer: [solemnly] Why the cemetery, I wondered? But my dreams were too
strong . . .

***

Dentist: Here's a free tooth-brush! Keep those teeth clean! [handing
Bart a bag]

Bart: So you're saying I should do your job, for you, at home, for
free? You wish! [Throws the bag in the trash can]

http://www.classictvquotes.com/quotes/shows/the-simpsons/

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:12:39 -0800 (PST),

Quoted post said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Nov 26, 8:09 pm, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'm looking for a diagram of a bike with designations for all the
> measurements to reassemble my bike to the original specs of saddle height,
> handlebar height, top tube, downtube length, etc., etc., after a
> hypothetical complete disassembly. I think there was one in Joe Friel's
> Training Log (it isn't in his "Bible" unless I'm missing it), but I no
> longer have that and it's not readily available on his website/blog. Can
> anyone refer me to some such website, etc?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Thanks,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> --
> JF

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Park Tool offers such a chart on their always helpful site:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ypesod

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypesod

Quoted message said:

Interesting the way they chose to mark off seat height.

Quoted message said:

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

Even more interesting is that the fellow in the picture wore blue
latex gloves to protect his hands from a digital micrometer, a tape
measure, a blue straight edge, and a spotlessly clean bicycle.

I wonder if he wears blue latex gloves in a restaurant?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

It's almost as interesting as someone who pathologically begins every
Usenet post with the salutation "Dear ______" and signs off with
"Cheers".

One wonders if this person is this smarmy in real life.