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  1. http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

  2. "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    Checkmate huh? Well let's get a "REAL" Christian response for your video.

    Dixon

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    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    LOL!

  4. "Dixon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    Checkmate huh? Well let's get a "REAL" Christian response for your video.

    Dixon

    That one's just sad.

    By the way, you know the "checkmate" video is tongue-in-cheek, right? If
    you watch it, you'll see what I mean.

  5. "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the bible
    exists.
    How friggen stupid. Dumbasses like that make more atheists than not.

    We need to not seperate science from religion.

    Here's an example.

    GOD created the universe.
    The universe is everything we know, including laws of physics.
    So before the "universe" was created was GOD bound by the laws of physics?
    Who knows, but if he created them, then they didnt exist at the creation?

    I am a Christian, but one heck of a confused one.
    The man lived.
    the man was killed on a cross.
    those are facts. Beyond that who knows.

    But its deep, real deep. The bible is called the new testememnet, or the
    "new covenent". Its what the whole thing is about from adam to me. Thats why
    we are called sons of GOD and Jesus is called the Son of man. To understand
    that one must understand the covenent. I bet less than .0001% even know what
    the covenent is. Let alone the "new" covenent.

    The Earth is a self sufficient machine, a spaceship kinda. Nobody disputes
    that. Way to complex to happen by chance.

    If you don't believe in GOD, or life force, or "the force" then your blind.
    Things are either alive or there not. Once they are not alive they are never
    gonna be alive. The life force isnt there.
    It's in everything alive, once its there nothing can stop it.

    The problem arises when we think we have to know exactly what GOD is.
    To my dog I am god.

    Seriously, look at it this way.

    Pretend we are 2 dimensional. A flat square with no height.
    Then GOD stands next to us, but he is 3 dimensional, he has height.
    When we look at him what will we see, another 2 dimensional object. We
    cannot see height if we are 2 dimensional.
    WE CAN NEVER put an image in our heads other than what we are. So we make
    him seem like an old man.

    Then there's time.
    If GOD created the Universe, time would be something created at that time.
    So when he created the universe time hadn't existed yet.
    Can we contemplate that? NO. We are clocks, we have a voltage to syncronize
    us. Ever notice time is whipping by, or going slow, all thats going on is
    our voltage is off from everyone else.

    One thing I have a problem with, most dinosaur bones are found less than 1
    foot under the soil.
    Now leave something in your yard for 100 years and the thing is buried. im
    supposed to believe in millions of years or hundreds of millions of years
    these bones are laying on the surface? How ridiculous.
    Carbon dating is not seen as fact. IN fact the guy who invented the
    process said it was flawed.

    I know, we were told its fact so it is!
    [censored]. For every scientist that says its fact another disputes it.

    Then there's the footprints, the ones they say were from the first animal to
    walk on land from the sea. On some beach in ireland.
    WHAT?
    Footprints lasted on the surface for 200 million years?
    Im sorry, thats just the dumbest [censored] i ever heard. Friggen scientists dream
    [censored] up in their head, then go out to prove it.
    Thats how its done, ask any scientist.

    Is there a GOD? There's definetely a life force?
    Is it an old man with a beard, proberbly not.
    What is it...never gonna know, we lack the tools to know. A blind man can
    never see. Its just the way it is.

    Are we special? Now thats the big question. Are we just the most evolved or
    are we chosen and created for a specific purpose?

  6. Dixon said:

    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    Checkmate huh? Well let's get a "REAL" Christian response for your video.

    Dixon


    I've been accosted by a few of the type in the first video (checkmate
    guy) and they were trying to sell me on their brand. PITA

    The second guy actually made me laugh. But I think I would rather
    share a booth in a restaraunt with the second guy.

    Cheers
    Trevor Jones

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    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    bible exists.
    How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are otherwise
    intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by scientists
    because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed, which
    the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones I
    know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on the
    other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe as long
    as it works for you. Because what can you really know for certain anyway?

  8. "Trevor Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dixon said:

    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    Checkmate huh? Well let's get a "REAL" Christian response for your video.

    Dixon


    I've been accosted by a few of the type in the first video (checkmate
    guy) and they were trying to sell me on their brand. PITA

    You know that was all tongue-in-cheek, right?

    Quoted message said:

    The second guy actually made me laugh. But I think I would rather share a
    booth in a restaraunt with the second guy.

    Cheers
    Trevor Jones

    The second guy seemed schizophrenic to me. They can be entertaining at
    times, but if you know someone who's gone through that then it's just sad.

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    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    bible exists.
    How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are otherwise
    intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by
    scientists because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed, which
    the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones I
    know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on the
    other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe as
    long as it works for you. Because what can you really know for certain
    anyway?

    Except for one thing. According to Christianity, if you don't believe, your
    condemned to being away from GOD forever.
    scary.
    I try to mix what we know scientifically with what I read. It almost tells
    you to do that in a lot of places in the bible.
    And I never read the 8000 year thing. Ive heard weeks of years, and stuff
    like that, but never referencing the creation.
    And the devil? That [censored] scares the hell out of me.
    According to the bible, he hates us because he refused to serve us like GOD
    told him too. He would only serve GOD and no other.
    In the book of JOB they sound like they are two guys that work together at
    the office.

    scaaaarrryyy.

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    "Adam Corolla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    bible exists.
    How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are
    otherwise intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by
    scientists because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed,
    which the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones
    I know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on the
    other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe as
    long as it works for you. Because what can you really know for certain
    anyway?

    Except for one thing. According to Christianity, if you don't believe,
    your condemned to being away from GOD forever.
    scary.
    I try to mix what we know scientifically with what I read. It almost
    tells you to do that in a lot of places in the bible.
    And I never read the 8000 year thing. Ive heard weeks of years, and stuff
    like that, but never referencing the creation.
    And the devil? That [censored] scares the hell out of me.
    According to the bible, he hates us because he refused to serve us like
    GOD told him too. He would only serve GOD and no other.
    In the book of JOB they sound like they are two guys that work together
    at the office.

    The original good cop-bad cop strat.
    Give yerself a break w/ the Kamasutra.

    --
    ------
    Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY

    Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
    Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
    Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
    to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
    The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

    AND,
    Make sure whomever you do vote for believes in
    ABSOLUTE separation of Church & State--ferchrissakes

    entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,
    all d'numbuhs

    Quoted message said:


    scaaaarrryyy.

  11. "Proctologically Violated©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Adam Corolla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists
    >
    > That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    > bible exists.
    > How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are
    otherwise intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by
    scientists because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed,
    which the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones
    I know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on
    the other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe
    as long as it works for you. Because what can you really know for
    certain anyway?

    Except for one thing. According to Christianity, if you don't believe,
    your condemned to being away from GOD forever.
    scary.
    I try to mix what we know scientifically with what I read. It almost
    tells you to do that in a lot of places in the bible.
    And I never read the 8000 year thing. Ive heard weeks of years, and stuff
    like that, but never referencing the creation.
    And the devil? That [censored] scares the hell out of me.
    According to the bible, he hates us because he refused to serve us like
    GOD told him too. He would only serve GOD and no other.
    In the book of JOB they sound like they are two guys that work together
    at the office.

    The original good cop-bad cop strat.
    Give yerself a break w/ the Kamasutra.

    Ok, I will when i figure out what that means.

  12. Adam Corolla said:

    "Trevor Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Dixon said:

    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    Checkmate huh? Well let's get a "REAL" Christian response for your video.

    Dixon

    I've been accosted by a few of the type in the first video (checkmate
    guy) and they were trying to sell me on their brand. PITA

    You know that was all tongue-in-cheek, right?

    Quoted message said:

    The second guy actually made me laugh. But I think I would rather share a
    booth in a restaraunt with the second guy.

    Cheers
    Trevor Jones

    The second guy seemed schizophrenic to me. They can be entertaining at
    times, but if you know someone who's gone through that then it's just sad.


    I'll still choose him over a zealot.

    Cheers
    Trevor Jones

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    "Proctologically Violated©®" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Adam Corolla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >>
    >> "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >>> http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists
    >>
    >> That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    >> bible exists.
    >> How friggen stupid.
    >
    > Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are
    > otherwise intelligent people, believe:
    >
    > The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    > The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems
    > to say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by
    > scientists because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    > Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    > The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    > The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed,
    > which the Bible predicts.
    >
    > Etc.
    >
    > I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The
    > ones I know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.
    >
    > On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on
    > the other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe
    > as long as it works for you. Because what can you really know for
    > certain anyway?
    >
    >

    Except for one thing. According to Christianity, if you don't believe,
    your condemned to being away from GOD forever.
    scary.
    I try to mix what we know scientifically with what I read. It almost
    tells you to do that in a lot of places in the bible.
    And I never read the 8000 year thing. Ive heard weeks of years, and
    stuff like that, but never referencing the creation.
    And the devil? That [censored] scares the hell out of me.
    According to the bible, he hates us because he refused to serve us like
    GOD told him too. He would only serve GOD and no other.
    In the book of JOB they sound like they are two guys that work together
    at the office.

    The original good cop-bad cop strat.
    Give yerself a break w/ the Kamasutra.

    Ok, I will when i figure out what that means.

    It's the east indian bibble, basically a very long sex manual.
    It's helps to be double jointed, or at least very flexible.
    My HoloBarre can help greatly along these lines.

    Well, actually, as usual, the burden falls on the female to be double
    jointed, so you might want to get my [censored] for her.
    Or move to India. 🙂
    --
    ------
    Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY

    Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
    Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
    Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
    to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
    The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

    AND,
    Make sure whomever you do vote for believes in
    ABSOLUTE separation of Church & State--ferchrissakes

    entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,
    all d'numbuhs

    Quoted message said:


  14. Adam Corolla said:


    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    bible exists.
    How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are otherwise
    intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by scientists
    because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed, which
    the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones I
    know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on the
    other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe as long
    as it works for you. Because what can you really know for certain anyway?

    "New Conservative Science Theme Park"

    [
    will open this spring in Kentucky
    ......
    The centrepiece of the museum is a series of huge model dinosaurs,
    built by the former head of design at Universal Studios, which are
    portrayed as existing alongside man, contrary to received scientific
    opinion that they lived millions of years apart.
    ......
    Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark
    and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.
    ......
    "We want people to be confronted by the dinosaurs," said Mr Ham. "It's
    going to be a first class experience. Visitors are going to be hit by
    the professionalism of this place."
    ......
    Among the projects still to be finished is a reconstruction of the
    Grand Canyon, purportedly formed by the swirling waters of the Great
    Flood .....
    ......
    Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at
    Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12
    classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist
    teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival
    of the fittest.
    ......
    Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids ...
    ......
    while in another room, visitors will see a tyrannosaurus rex pursuing
    Adam and Eve ....
    ......
    .... which gained further strength with the re-election of President
    Bush in November....
    ......
    .... America's religious Deep South – have got around the ban by
    teaching the theory of "intelligent design" ....
    ......
    "Since President Bush's re-election we have been getting more
    membership applications than we can handle,'' said Mr Ham ..
    ]

    http://tinyurl.com/6xjdb
    HTH
    --
    Cliff

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    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the bible
    exists.
    How friggen stupid. Dumbasses like that make more atheists than not.

    We need to not seperate science from religion.

    Here's an example.

    GOD created the universe.
    The universe is everything we know, including laws of physics.
    So before the "universe" was created was GOD bound by the laws of physics?
    Who knows, but if he created them, then they didnt exist at the creation?

    I am a Christian, but one heck of a confused one.
    The man lived.
    the man was killed on a cross.
    those are facts. Beyond that who knows.

    But its deep, real deep. The bible is called the new testememnet, or the
    "new covenent". Its what the whole thing is about from adam to me. Thats why
    we are called sons of GOD and Jesus is called the Son of man. To understand
    that one must understand the covenent. I bet less than .0001% even know what
    the covenent is. Let alone the "new" covenent.

    The Earth is a self sufficient machine, a spaceship kinda. Nobody disputes
    that. Way to complex to happen by chance.

    If you don't believe in GOD, or life force, or "the force" then your blind.
    Things are either alive or there not. Once they are not alive they are never
    gonna be alive. The life force isnt there.
    It's in everything alive, once its there nothing can stop it.

    The problem arises when we think we have to know exactly what GOD is.
    To my dog I am god.

    Seriously, look at it this way.

    Pretend we are 2 dimensional. A flat square with no height.
    Then GOD stands next to us, but he is 3 dimensional, he has height.
    When we look at him what will we see, another 2 dimensional object. We
    cannot see height if we are 2 dimensional.
    WE CAN NEVER put an image in our heads other than what we are. So we make
    him seem like an old man.

    Then there's time.
    If GOD created the Universe, time would be something created at that time.
    So when he created the universe time hadn't existed yet.
    Can we contemplate that? NO. We are clocks, we have a voltage to syncronize
    us. Ever notice time is whipping by, or going slow, all thats going on is
    our voltage is off from everyone else.

    One thing I have a problem with, most dinosaur bones are found less than 1
    foot under the soil.
    Now leave something in your yard for 100 years and the thing is buried. im
    supposed to believe in millions of years or hundreds of millions of years
    these bones are laying on the surface? How ridiculous.
    Carbon dating is not seen as fact. IN fact the guy who invented the
    process said it was flawed.

    I know, we were told its fact so it is!
    [censored]. For every scientist that says its fact another disputes it.

    Then there's the footprints, the ones they say were from the first animal to
    walk on land from the sea. On some beach in ireland.
    WHAT?
    Footprints lasted on the surface for 200 million years?
    Im sorry, thats just the dumbest [censored] i ever heard. Friggen scientists dream
    [censored] up in their head, then go out to prove it.
    Thats how its done, ask any scientist.

    Is there a GOD? There's definetely a life force?
    Is it an old man with a beard, proberbly not.
    What is it...never gonna know, we lack the tools to know. A blind man can
    never see. Its just the way it is.

    Are we special? Now thats the big question. Are we just the most evolved or
    are we chosen and created for a specific purpose?

  16. vinny said:


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    "vinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Cliff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > http://www.shoutfile.com/v/6Ru0fdxV/Checkmate_Atheists

    That was retarded. there were no facts even mentioned. Oh, except the
    bible exists.
    How friggen stupid.

    Actually, that's pretty much what the Christians I know, who are otherwise
    intelligent people, believe:

    The Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
    The earth is only 8,000 years old because that's what the Bible seems to
    say. All the evidence to the contrary is simply misunderstood by
    scientists because, I presume, the devil is misleading them.
    Dinosaurs existed at the same time as people.
    The theory of evolution is obvious nonsense.
    The Bible is true and the proof of that is that Israel was reformed, which
    the Bible predicts.

    Etc.

    I'm certainly not saying that's what *all* Christians believe. The ones I
    know happen to be fundamentalists, Bible literalists.

    On one hand it seems sad to give in so completely to superstition, on the
    other hand I've seen that it doesn't really matter what you believe as
    long as it works for you. Because what can you really know for certain
    anyway?

    Except for one thing. According to Christianity, if you don't believe, your
    condemned to being away from GOD forever.
    scary.
    I try to mix what we know scientifically with what I read. It almost tells
    you to do that in a lot of places in the bible.
    And I never read the 8000 year thing. Ive heard weeks of years, and stuff
    like that, but never referencing the creation.
    And the devil? That [censored] scares the hell out of me.
    According to the bible, he hates us because he refused to serve us like GOD
    told him too. He would only serve GOD and no other.
    In the book of JOB they sound like they are two guys that work together at
    the office.

    scaaaarrryyy.

  17. vinny said:


    Is there a GOD? There's definetely a life force?
    Is it an old man with a beard, proberbly not.
    What is it...never gonna know, we lack the tools to know. A blind man can
    never see. Its just the way it is.

    Are we special? Now thats the big question. Are we just the most evolved or
    are we chosen and created for a specific purpose?


    If there was a God, wouldn't our penises taste like chocolate?

    beekeep

  18. "beekeep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    vinny said:


    Is there a GOD? There's definetely a life force?


    If there was a God, wouldn't our penises taste like chocolate?

    Ahem, there are some here who claim they do.

  19. Tom Kunich said:

    Maybe you can explain to me how religion and science are at odds?

    Science is based on facts and evidence.
    Religion is based on faith, the definition of which is just the opposite.
    Faith: "firm belief in something for which there is no proof"

    I especially despise how kooky religious nuts get a free pass on anything
    that threatens their fairy tale. They'll just say: "God has put that there as
    a test of my faith".
    Pathetic!

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  20. "Frank Warner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Kunich

    cyclintom@yahoo. said:
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    Yes, we do. 300 years of spectacularly successful science has brought
    incalculably more benefits to humans than 2000 years of one particular
    religion I'm thinking of.

    Is that so? Perhaps you credit science for more than they have accounted
    themselves.

    In 300 years, science has given us virtually painless medicine, made
    childbirth a relatively safe process instead of a dangerous one,
    lighted, plumbed and heated entire cities, made it possible to go from
    one continent to another in a matter of hours and speak to someone on
    the other side of the planet (or even off the planet) instantaneously,
    eradicated a number of horrible diseases and made others little more
    than annoyances, made bigger, faster, stronger, more precise and
    durable machines used by the members of these newsgroups, . . . . But
    you get the idea, and I haven't even scratched the surface.

    I hate to point this out but "science" is really only some 150 years old.
    Oh, wait, you're trying to tell us that what the CHURCH did was science. Old
    Gregor Mendel and his like?

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    In contrast, religion has given us a few great buildings, some music,
    some art, literature, and lots of superstitious claptrap, needless
    fear, and destructive prejudices.

    And, ahem, science.

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    By all means tell us when and where the universe came from and where it's
    ends are.

    That's just it. Atheists aren't afraid to say, "I don't know."

    Ahem, but they aren't to afraid to say that there isn't a God with equal
    knowledge.

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    Everything you were taught about Jesus is wrong.

    And the proof comes from you.

    The proof comes from crawling out from under your superstition and
    learning a little about the way history works, particularly religious
    history.

    Ah, yes, your version of history - oh yeah, RELIGIOUS history as if you even
    had the slightest clue what you were talking about.

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    Hey, whatever floats your boat is fine. The fact that you find religious
    people so offensive does lead me to believe that you have a lot more
    questions than you'll admit.

    I don't find religious people offensive. That is, most of them. Most of
    them are perfectly fine and I get along great with them. It's the fact
    that religion turns otherwise rational people's minds to mush (or
    worse, to mindless violence) that I find offensive.

    And your claim that you know how the universe was created in a big bang is
    like SOOOO scientific.

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    And yes, I have a million questions that I don't claim to have the
    answers to.

    Strange that you don't seem to have any question about the existance of God.

    Quoted message said:
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    By all means tell me - how long is a Day to God?

    On this planet, "day" has a very specific meaning.

    But the bible claims that it wasn't until the third day that God created the
    earth. So your claim is that he would have had to know what a day was before
    there was a sun and then an earth and he would force his time schedule to
    your beliefs.

    You grow more interesting by the minute. Tell me, does all that knowledge
    prevent you from being a stupid ass all the time? Or do you have moments of
    lucidity?

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