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  1. This stuff is from Rad Racing: radracingnw.orgAbout.html It's not only about Champions.

    Now this is from the NEBRA meeting:

    From: "WilliamR Black" <[email hidden]> Subject: [uscf-ne] NEBRA/Annual Meeting Minutes

    Folks: Below are the minutes from the NEBRA Annual Meeting held Sunday, November 23, 2003. Please
    read these carefully. They reflect the future direction of cycling in New England. <snip> Bill Black
    then announced the vote results (34 NEBRA members and 20 having voted, although some not voting for
    every item on the ballot, a quorum was established under the Bylaws, 33.33% of the Membership being
    required for a quorum):

    The Directors for 2004 based on the election: -Sandy Martin (18 votes) -Jon Lowenstein (26 votes)
    -Diane Fortini (9 votes) -Laura Summers (9 votes) -Mike Norton (15 votes)

    It was also voted to keep the dues requirement for NEBRA membership for 2004 (14 votes for and 1
    against) and the priorities for NEBRA action in 2004 were voted as follows: 1st Better Races (29
    votes) 2d Junior rider development (15 votes) 3d Tie with Rider Ranking and National Events for New
    England (11 votes each) 5th Support/Development of more female riders (7 Votes) 6th More races (5
    votes) 7th Emphasize the NEBRA website (1 vote)

    The NEBRA Annual Meeting then concluded, Mr. Miller gave his brief summary of USAC rule changes
    for 2004 and the race scheduling meeting was held. <snip> The #2 item on the NEBRA agenda is
    supposedly Junior development. In NE this seems to have been defined as finding the next World
    Champion, as opposed to Rad's vision. I'm witholding publishing my opinion on Mike Norton races,
    and how Juniors were treated at them. I have NOT been impressed with the actions here. The talk
    is great, the reality leaves something to be desired. Politics are brutal at best and the kids
    get hurt because everyone here is positioning themselves as THE hero. Hey folks It's not about
    US, it's about the kids and our future. This points out what the NE is capable of:
    spokepost.com2003 But it seems to be about posturing, and
    personality here, as opposed to Rad's dedication to kids. Yes I know about Necsa cycling, and
    the NHJCA and I like Some of the people leading the efforts, but the politics seem to take
    center stage, not the kids.

    Let's see where the talk leads. You can bet that I will keep making noise. I have zip as
    credentials as a racer, but the Racers who have the credentials haven't done a whole hell of a lot
    to get kids into the sport. Bill C

  2. Hey, I'm a bit biased here, but Bill totally overlooked (why am I not surprised) a great new Junior
    Development Program I've spent this last year putting together. We've got far less money than most
    of these other programs, but our riders know the score and WANT to ride with each other. To checkout
    our current roster (we're still looking for 2 more spots to fill) go to
    peoplecycle.orgjuniordevelopment.html. We also have greater parental involvement.

    In addition to the racing team, we're have programs for introducing U 15 kids to racing on Cape Cod.
    It's not a lot right now, but it has grown faster than I anticipated.

    Chris

    [email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    This stuff is from Rad Racing: radracingnw.orgAbout.html It's not only about
    Champions.

    Now this is from the NEBRA meeting:

    From: "WilliamR Black" <[email hidden]> Subject: [uscf-ne] NEBRA/Annual Meeting Minutes

    Folks: Below are the minutes from the NEBRA Annual Meeting held Sunday, November 23, 2003. Please
    read these carefully. They reflect the future direction of cycling in New England. <snip> Bill
    Black then announced the vote results (34 NEBRA members and 20 having voted, although some not
    voting for every item on the ballot, a quorum was established under the Bylaws, 33.33% of the
    Membership being required for a quorum):

    The Directors for 2004 based on the election: -Sandy Martin (18 votes) -Jon Lowenstein (26 votes)
    -Diane Fortini (9 votes) -Laura Summers (9 votes) -Mike Norton (15 votes)

    It was also voted to keep the dues requirement for NEBRA membership for 2004 (14 votes for and 1
    against) and the priorities for NEBRA action in 2004 were voted as follows: 1st Better Races (29
    votes) 2d Junior rider development (15 votes) 3d Tie with Rider Ranking and National Events for
    New England (11 votes each) 5th Support/Development of more female riders (7 Votes) 6th More races
    (5 votes) 7th Emphasize the NEBRA website (1 vote)

    The NEBRA Annual Meeting then concluded, Mr. Miller gave his brief summary of USAC rule changes
    for 2004 and the race scheduling meeting was held. <snip> The #2 item on the NEBRA agenda is
    supposedly Junior development. In NE this seems to have been defined as finding the next World
    Champion, as opposed to Rad's vision. I'm witholding publishing my opinion on Mike Norton races,
    and how Juniors were treated at them. I have NOT been impressed with the actions here. The talk
    is great, the reality leaves something to be desired. Politics are brutal at best and the kids
    get hurt because everyone here is positioning themselves as THE hero. Hey folks It's not about
    US, it's about the kids and our future. This points out what the NE is capable of:
    spokepost.com2003 But it seems to be about posturing, and
    personality here, as opposed to Rad's dedication to kids. Yes I know about Necsa cycling, and
    the NHJCA and I like Some of the people leading the efforts, but the politics seem to take
    center stage, not the kids.

    Let's see where the talk leads. You can bet that I will keep making noise. I have zip as
    credentials as a racer, but the Racers who have the credentials haven't done a whole hell of a
    lot to get kids into the sport. Bill C

  3. And Bill and Meesha have also being doing things for kids. You are all to be applauded for your
    efforts. But, I think Bill's point was more that the regional organizational aspect of cycling in
    the NE is not as interested in helping kids get into the sport as they could/should be.

    "chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Hey, I'm a bit biased here, but Bill totally overlooked (why am I not surprised) a great new
    Junior Development Program I've spent this last year putting together. We've got far less money
    than most of these other programs, but our riders know the score and WANT to ride with each other.
    To checkout our current roster (we're still looking for 2 more spots to fill) go to
    peoplecycle.orgjuniordevelopment.html. We also have greater parental involvement.

    In addition to the racing team, we're have programs for introducing U 15 kids to racing on Cape
    Cod. It's not a lot right now, but it has grown faster than I anticipated.

    Chris

    [email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This stuff is from Rad Racing: radracingnw.orgAbout.html It's not only about
    Champions.

    Now this is from the NEBRA meeting:

    From: "WilliamR Black" <[email hidden]> Subject: [uscf-ne] NEBRA/Annual Meeting Minutes

    Folks: Below are the minutes from the NEBRA Annual Meeting held Sunday,


    November 23,

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    2003. Please read these carefully. They reflect the future direction of


    cycling

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    in New England. <snip> Bill Black then announced the vote results (34 NEBRA members and 20


    having

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    voted, although some not voting for every item on the ballot, a quorum


    was

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    established under the Bylaws, 33.33% of the Membership being required


    for a

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    quorum):

    The Directors for 2004 based on the election: -Sandy Martin (18 votes) -Jon Lowenstein (26
    votes) -Diane Fortini (9 votes) -Laura Summers (9 votes) -Mike Norton (15 votes)

    It was also voted to keep the dues requirement for NEBRA membership for


    2004

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    (14 votes for and 1 against) and the priorities for NEBRA action in 2004


    were

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    voted as follows: 1st Better Races (29 votes) 2d Junior rider development (15 votes) 3d Tie with
    Rider Ranking and National Events for New England (11 votes


    each)

    Quoted message said:
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    5th Support/Development of more female riders (7 Votes) 6th More races (5 votes) 7th Emphasize
    the NEBRA website (1 vote)

    The NEBRA Annual Meeting then concluded, Mr. Miller gave his brief


    summary of

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    USAC rule changes for 2004 and the race scheduling meeting was held. <snip> The #2 item on the
    NEBRA agenda is supposedly Junior development. In NE


    this

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    seems to have been defined as finding the next World Champion, as


    opposed to

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    Quoted message said:

    Rad's vision. I'm witholding publishing my opinion on Mike Norton races,


    and

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    how Juniors were treated at them. I have NOT been impressed with the


    actions

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    here. The talk is great, the reality leaves something to be desired.


    Politics

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    Quoted message said:

    are brutal at best and the kids get hurt because everyone here is


    positioning

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    themselves as THE hero. Hey folks It's not about US, it's about the kids and our future. This
    points out what the NE is capable of: spokepost.com2003 But it seems
    to be about posturing, and personality here, as opposed to


    Rad's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dedication to kids. Yes I know about Necsa cycling, and the NHJCA and I like Some of the


    people

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    leading the efforts, but the politics seem to take center stage, not the


    kids.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Let's see where the talk leads. You can bet that I will keep making


    noise. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have zip as credentials as a racer, but the Racers who have the


    credentials

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    haven't done a whole hell of a lot to get kids into the sport. Bill C

  4. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (chris)

    Quoted message said:

    Hey, I'm a bit biased here, but Bill totally overlooked (why am I not surprised) a great new Junior
    Development Program I've spent this last year putting together. We've got far less money than most
    of these other programs, but our riders know the score and WANT to ride with each other. To
    checkout our current roster (we're still looking for 2 more spots to fill) go to
    peoplecycle.orgjuniordevelopment.html. We also have greater parental involvement.

    Chris this is exactly what needs to happen, and with the people you've got on board I'm sure you'll
    do a good job of giving kids a good experience, and you've already got one future star. Bill C

  5. Should've checked before I said one. I didn't know that Chris had Morgan and Ben too. This is a
    great buch of kids, and this should be a really good program. If Chris wasn't doing things right
    these parents wouldn't have their kids with him. Bill C

  6. Hey,

    I've heard alot of GREAT things about this incredible program. The Rad Racing could be a model for
    many other clubs to take note of. NOW is the time to get youngsters in the US interested. If you
    have a child age 8-14, I GUARANTEE they've heard of Lance Armstrong. Sorry all you Tyler fans, the
    'rider' of the year is NOT as famous.

    Thanks, Ronde Chumpion

    Great job Rad Racing....I mean that!

  7. I appreciate the compliment, but I'll reserve judgement until next September. However, I wouldn't be
    in this position without the riders. Cape Cod has a far greater rider base than anyone in NE
    realizes, and the Cape is largely overlooked for cycling in general. Regarding Brian's comments,
    though, I won't point fingers or criticize anyone in particular, but my impression of NE is everyone
    wants to talk; "Let's make and effort...Let's discuss...Everyone agreed that more needs to be
    done..." Planning is important, but I think its time to do.

    We're under budget, but we have the most important things, which is commitment. All the riders know
    this isn't a free ride and they're all putting time into the team. We'll see what we can do, but I
    think its gonna be an exciting year!

    CH

    [email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Should've checked before I said one. I didn't know that Chris had Morgan and Ben too. This is a
    great buch of kids, and this should be a really good program. If Chris wasn't doing things right
    these parents wouldn't have their kids with him. Bill C

  8. "chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I appreciate the compliment, but I'll reserve judgement until next September. However, I wouldn't
    be in this position without the riders. Cape Cod has a far greater rider base than anyone in NE
    realizes, and the Cape is largely overlooked for cycling in general. Regarding Brian's comments,
    though, I won't point fingers or criticize anyone in particular, but my impression of NE is
    everyone wants to talk; "Let's make and effort...Let's discuss...Everyone agreed that more needs
    to be done..." Planning is important, but I think its time to do.

    Chris,

    Just to be clear, I was expressing what I though Bill was saying. I'm not involved with, and
    have absolutely no desire to be involved with, the boys (predominantly) of NEBRA. My previous
    experience with several of them is that the focus is on the Elite and not bringing new blood
    into the sport. And Sharon knows exactly what I'm talking about.

    Brian

  9. [email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    This stuff is from Rad Racing: radracingnw.orgAbout.html It's not only about
    Champions.

    Now this is from the NEBRA meeting:

    From: "WilliamR Black" <[email hidden]> Subject: [uscf-ne] NEBRA/Annual Meeting Minutes

    Folks: Below are the minutes from the NEBRA Annual Meeting held Sunday, November 23, 2003. Please
    read these carefully. They reflect the future direction of cycling in New England. <snip> Bill
    Black then announced the vote results (34 NEBRA members and 20 having voted, although some not
    voting for every item on the ballot, a quorum was established under the Bylaws, 33.33% of the
    Membership being required for a quorum):

    The Directors for 2004 based on the election: -Sandy Martin (18 votes) -Jon Lowenstein (26 votes)
    -Diane Fortini (9 votes) -Laura Summers (9 votes) -Mike Norton (15 votes)

    It was also voted to keep the dues requirement for NEBRA membership for 2004 (14 votes for and 1
    against) and the priorities for NEBRA action in 2004 were voted as follows: 1st Better Races (29
    votes) 2d Junior rider development (15 votes) 3d Tie with Rider Ranking and National Events for
    New England (11 votes each) 5th Support/Development of more female riders (7 Votes) 6th More races
    (5 votes) 7th Emphasize the NEBRA website (1 vote)

    The NEBRA Annual Meeting then concluded, Mr. Miller gave his brief summary of USAC rule changes
    for 2004 and the race scheduling meeting was held. <snip> The #2 item on the NEBRA agenda is
    supposedly Junior development. In NE this seems to have been defined as finding the next World
    Champion, as opposed to Rad's vision. I'm witholding publishing my opinion on Mike Norton races,
    and how Juniors were treated at them. I have NOT been impressed with the actions here. The talk
    is great, the reality leaves something to be desired. Politics are brutal at best and the kids
    get hurt because everyone here is positioning themselves as THE hero. Hey folks It's not about
    US, it's about the kids and our future. This points out what the NE is capable of:
    spokepost.com2003 But it seems to be about posturing, and
    personality here, as opposed to Rad's dedication to kids. Yes I know about Necsa cycling, and
    the NHJCA and I like Some of the people leading the efforts, but the politics seem to take
    center stage, not the kids.

    Let's see where the talk leads. You can bet that I will keep making noise. I have zip as
    credentials as a racer, but the Racers who have the credentials haven't done a whole hell of a
    lot to get kids into the sport. Bill C

    Folks: A fair amount of the minutes were snipped. In fact, NEBRA has assembled approximately $14,000
    to date to be spent on the priorities established by the vote that was shown. Clubs were and are
    asked to submit proposals for grants and Junior development is a high priority and money will be
    provided to fund those Clubs' efforts. I set NEBRA up as a §501(c)(3) corporation and there is a
    high degree of technical compliance that must be adhered to (i.e. NEBRA is limited in what it can
    directly do itself). The bottom line is for the Clubs and folks such as yourselves to make the
    plans, seek the funding from NEBRA and then do it.

    My time at NEBRA is done -- I have stayed longer than I intended when I first started in on this --
    but the new Directors for 2004 will be most responsive in addressing the needs of Junior development
    as well as other priorities for New England cycling. Best, Bill Black

  10. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Bill Black)

    Quoted message said:

    Junior development is a high priority and money will be provided to fund those Clubs' efforts. I
    set NEBRA up as a §501(c)(3) corporation and there is a high degree of technical compliance that
    must be adhered to (i.e. NEBRA is limited in what it can directly do itself). The bottom line is
    for the Clubs and folks such as yourselves to make the plans, seek the funding from NEBRA and
    then do it.

    Bill, I hope you saw my reply alter in the thread to Brian Lafferty where I pointed out that this
    is exactly the case. That Nebra is offering encouragement, but it is not, and should not be their
    job. It's up to the local clubs.

    Quoted message said:

    My time at NEBRA is done -- I have stayed longer than I intended when I first started in on this --
    but the new Directors for 2004 will be most responsive in addressing the needs of Junior
    development as well as other priorities for New England cycling. Best, Bill Black

    Thanks for doing a great job and I wish you had stayed on. To be honest given the changes in the
    board I was more hopefull that there would be more support for development before. Bill Crowther

  11. [email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Bill Black)

    Quoted message said:

    Junior development is a high priority and money will be provided to fund those Clubs' efforts. I
    set NEBRA up as a §501(c)(3) corporation and there is a high degree of technical compliance that
    must be adhered to (i.e. NEBRA is limited in what it can directly do itself). The bottom line is
    for the Clubs and folks such as yourselves to make the plans, seek the funding from NEBRA and
    then do it.

    Bill, I hope you saw my reply alter in the thread to Brian Lafferty where I pointed out that this
    is exactly the case. That Nebra is offering encouragement, but it is not, and should not be their
    job. It's up to the local clubs.

    Quoted message said:

    My time at NEBRA is done -- I have stayed longer than I intended when I first started in on this
    -- but the new Directors for 2004 will be most responsive in addressing the needs of Junior
    development as well as other priorities for New England cycling. Best, Bill Black

    Thanks for doing a great job and I wish you had stayed on. To be honest given the changes in the
    board I was more hopefull that there would be more support for development before. Bill Crowther

    Bill, I did see your earlier response and i was in no way criticizing you -- just trying to
    publicize that the resources are available and waiting to be ccoupled with acction from the
    Clubs. Thanks for the kind words but the job remaining can be better done by other than me. Best,
    Bill Black

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