PHOTOS FROM INSIDE IRAN

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> > > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say

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> > > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.

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> > > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > > > > Allen

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> > > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
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> > > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > > > > war in a hornet nest.

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> > > > > Idots.

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> > > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
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> > > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.

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> > > > > --Tedward

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> > > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you

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> > > IFYPFY.

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> > > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected

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> > Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
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> > school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
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> > religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
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> Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
> Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
> Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.

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They were all the way there. Muhammad Mussadegh was a democratically
elected president who ran a democratic government. That is until we had

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CIA overthrow him in 1953 him and install the Shah, a ruthless tyrant

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the mold of Hussein. We've stabbed Iran in the back more than once. Is

it

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any wonder they think we're hypocrites and untrustworthy? We destroyed
their only hope for a true democracy and gave them 23 years of a brutal
dictator because Mussadegh decided to throw out the US oil companies and
nationalize their oil production. As soon as the Shah was in, the oil
companies were back in business.

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And I don't see Amanijahd closing down his wells either. I still don't
see any reference to the hate seminar where Iran invited all kinds of
folks, including David Duke, to discuss how the holocaust never took
place. Sounds like you're trying to make excuses for their hate.
Wonder if you'd have done the same thing in the 30s.

OK, how about this: Iran has entered into oil production agreements with
Russia and China. The US is not on the list. Also, Iran is trading oil in
Euros, not dollars. That is not something we can allow to go on. It's
called "petro dollar recycling" and it is the only thing keeping us from a
recession so deep you'd need a ton of dollar bills to buy a quart of milk.

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You are dreaming. The US hasn't had diplomatic relations with Iran
ever since the hostage taking at the embassy. They have the same
effect on the US as Cuba does. Perhaps if Iran would actually
acquiesce to Israel's right to exist like just about every other major
Mideastern nation, then perhaps things would go a lot smoothly. But
they never will because they are haters.

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> > > > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must

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that

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> I was quite
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> impression in
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> That was nothing

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> > > > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the

snow.

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> > > > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on

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> > > > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
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Iran.

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> > > > > > > Allen

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> > > > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > > > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > > > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
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> > > > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > > > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > > > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > > > > > war in a hornet nest.

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> > > > > > Idots.

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> > > > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
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> > > > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.

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> > > > > > --Tedward

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> > > > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you

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> > > > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the

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> populace
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> > > > IFYPFY.

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> > > Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like

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> > > politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes

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> > > school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
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> > > religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
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> > Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
> > Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
> > Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.

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> They were all the way there. Muhammad Mussadegh was a

democratically

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> elected president who ran a democratic government. That is until we

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> CIA overthrow him in 1953 him and install the Shah, a ruthless

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along

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> the mold of Hussein. We've stabbed Iran in the back more than once.

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> any wonder they think we're hypocrites and untrustworthy? We

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> their only hope for a true democracy and gave them 23 years of a

brutal

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> dictator because Mussadegh decided to throw out the US oil companies

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> nationalize their oil production. As soon as the Shah was in, the

oil

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And I don't see Amanijahd closing down his wells either. I still don't
see any reference to the hate seminar where Iran invited all kinds of
folks, including David Duke, to discuss how the holocaust never took
place. Sounds like you're trying to make excuses for their hate.
Wonder if you'd have done the same thing in the 30s.

OK, how about this: Iran has entered into oil production agreements

with

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Russia and China. The US is not on the list. Also, Iran is trading oil

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Euros, not dollars. That is not something we can allow to go on. It's
called "petro dollar recycling" and it is the only thing keeping us from

a

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recession so deep you'd need a ton of dollar bills to buy a quart of

milk.

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You are dreaming. The US hasn't had diplomatic relations with Iran
ever since the hostage taking at the embassy. They have the same
effect on the US as Cuba does. Perhaps if Iran would actually
acquiesce to Israel's right to exist like just about every other major
Mideastern nation, then perhaps things would go a lot smoothly. But
they never will because they are haters.

Lots of countries have never signed on to Israel. Do we bomb them too?
Actually, very few have. Very few.

Let's see, diplomatic talks were resumed in the Spring of this year. They
haven't gone far seeing as how we demand they surrender before really
talking turkey. Would you go into a bargaining session with your mouth
gagged and your hands tied?

You need to learn a lot about OPEC and what Iran's oil agreements mean to
the global supply and how it very much favors Russia and China and how that
means higher oil prices for the US and how that effects the dollar and how
that effects the economy and - well you get the picture.

It's complicated but bottom line, we're screwed. Hence the war talk.

Paul

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On Sep 18, 11:43 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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> On Sep 18, 3:08 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say

that I

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was quite
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impression in
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> > > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV.

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was nothing

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> > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.

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> > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > > > Allen

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> > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
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> > > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.

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> > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > > > war in a hornet nest.

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> > > > Idots.

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> > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
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> > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.

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> > > > --Tedward

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> > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have

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> > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
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president.

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> > IFYPFY.

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> > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
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> Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
> politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
> school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
> religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
> religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
> political argument.

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In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
Republican run on hate to win elections. "Vote for me and I'll ban gay
marriage!" That was their platform in the last election. Last I looked
marriage was in a lot of trouble but probably due more to the

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most people and their unbridled personal ambitions and narcissism than
anything coming from the gay quarter. And let's not forget what the

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of Falwell, Robertson et al had to say about 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina.
Now that is hate.

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I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
genocidal policies toward the Palestinians. It is not a religious thing

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all. Israel just happens to be full of Jews. They hate the US too,
politically, but that is not because we are Jews or Christians it is

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we support what they see as an immoral and destructive country bent on
exterminating an entire ethnic Arab nation.

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Banning gay marriage isn't hate. Saying, "Elect me and I'll kill all
gays" or "Elect me and I'll run all gays out of the country" is hate.
And I am very amused in regards to how you want us to listen to what
Falwell and Robertson said about 911 but won't listen to the rest of
what they say. Very amusing indeed. And I'm also very amused in
regards to your strange statement where you say, "Iran doesn't hate
Jews." Um, oh yes they do. They hate Jews and they want to destroy
them because they don't believe the same way they do. It's not a
religious thing at all. Yeah right. And it wasn't a religous thing
when [censored] said it as well. He just didn't like them taking all the
money, eh? Well, you have good company -- David Duke and Amanijahd.
I'm sure David Duke doesn't hate Jews either. After all, he and
Ahmanijahd were trying to put together a nice Bar Mitzvah over there
during that "seminar" where they claimed the holocaust never existed.
You sound very, very deluded if you don't believe the Iranians hate
the Jews. They are the biggest haters on earth today. They'd just as
soon wipe them off the face of the earth than look at them.

It most definitely is hate. Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel.
That is a fact. Is Iran in a position to do anything about it? Nope. Will
they ever be? If so, and they try, they will be annihilated and that is a
certainty.

OK, now I want you to research Semitic religions. Tell me which two you
come up with. I want you to read the Koran and tell me what it has to say
about the Jews. I'm not giving you any answers, but boy howdy are you in
for an eye opener.

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When a nation hosts a seminar depicting how the Holocaust never took
place with David Duke as a guest, then that is hate. Real simple. As
for what the Koran says about the Jews, that's not the issue here, is
it? It's what the IRANIANS say about the Jews. There are lots of
Muslims in the US who get along just fine with the Jews, so I don't
know how a study of Islam is relevant here. But FYI, here are som
interesting texts from the Koran:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes
them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does
not guide the unjust people.

[5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were
cursed by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was
because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their
mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may
Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[4.46] Of those who are Jews (there are those who) alter words from
their places and say: We have heard and we disobey and: Hear, may you
not be made to hear! and: Raina, distorting (the word) with their
tongues and taunting about religion; and if they had said (instead):
We have heard and we obey, and hearken, and unzurna it would have been
better for them and more upright; but Allah has cursed them on account
of their unbelief, so they do not believe but a little.

[4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We
disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them
and for their hindering many (people) from Allah's way.

The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses
throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the
Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness.
They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they
used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because
they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the
Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been
disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the
angels (2:97­98).

That's for starters.

Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites. If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to argue?

Paul

On Sep 19, 12:53 am, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites. If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to argue?

Paul

I notice you did not cite what website you are talking about.

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Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites. If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to argue?

Paul

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has clearly stated that is his intent, you twit.

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I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
genocidal policies toward the Palestinians.

If these arab countries really cared for palestinians, they would have given
them land very long ago. They didn't do it simply because they needed the
palestinian crisis as an excuse to fight against Israel when they were
sponsored, financed and armed by the USSR.
There's no surprise in seeing USSR armed, financed and sponsored nations
attacking an USA armed, financed and sponsored Israel during cold-war.
The palestinians are a long story of [censored] on both sides (israelis and
arabs), and even in theyr own part.
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Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites.
If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to argue?

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has clearly stated that is his intent, you twit.

So? Does that mean he can achieve it? Not hardly. I want to be a global
monarch. My chances of achieving it are about 0. About the same
Ahmadinejad has of achieving his ambitions.

He is a nothing, a zero, a puppet. He has no power. And don't think for
a second that the warhawks in DC do not know this.

You are swallowing the same [censored] that as fed to you pre-Iraq invasion.
The same people that lied to you, betrayed you, called Hussein a modern day
[censored], led you to believe he could wreak havoc upon the US with 45 minutes
notice - are all selling you the same [censored] on Iran.

And you believe. So sad.

Paul

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On Sep 19, 12:53 am, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites.
If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to
argue?

Paul

I notice you did not cite what website you are talking about.

That's your job. It's your source. But hat you posted is common fodder in
all of them.

Paul

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Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.

I disagree. Iraq has had a democracy within living memory, it has a
well-educated population, a higher standard of living than most of its
neighbors, a secularized society, and the intrinsic wealth to make it work.

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> > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that I
> > > >> was quite
> > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an
> > > >> impression in
> > > >> your
> > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV. That
> > > >> was nothing

> > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.

> > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > Allen

> > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.

> > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > war in a hornet nest.

> > Idots.

> > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> > and tried to cover it up[2].

> > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.

> > --Tedward

> I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have to
> do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
> populace
> is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that
> were
> the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
> president.

IFYPFY.

I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
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Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
political argument.

Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.

So on the flip side wouldn't that mean that Iraq was a bigger threat that
had to be dealt with first?

LG
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Edward M. Kennedy said:

"trijcomm" <[email hidden]> wrote

> > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that I

was quite

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> > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an

impression in

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> > > >> your
> > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV. That

was nothing

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> > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.

> > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > Allen

> > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.

> > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > war in a hornet nest.

> > Idots.

> > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> > and tried to cover it up[2].

> > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.

> > --Tedward

> I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have to
> do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American

populace

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> is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that

were

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> the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
> president.

IFYPFY.

I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
the liberal was *too* liberal.

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Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
political argument.

In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
Republican run on hate to win elections.

You come so very close to the brink of a sensible arguement, and then toss
out a loony ass statement like this. Oh well...

I suppose the Dems constant demonization of "the rich" is showing the love?

LG
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W.Bush

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:20:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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On Sep 19, 12:53 am, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right websites.
If
Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to
argue?

Paul

I notice you did not cite what website you are talking about.

That's your job. It's your source. But hat you posted is common fodder in
all of them.

Paul

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Paul are you saying that Trijcomm is misquoting the Koran?

Paul M. Cook said:

I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
genocidal policies toward the Palestinians.

Huh? Black September got its name from the expulsion of the Palestinians by
Jordan. The Palestinians made a mess of Lebanon and had to be expelled from
there. The Palestinian workers in Kuwait cheered when Iraq's troops invaded
and Iraqi troops beat them just for drill. Then when the Iraqi troops were
driven out of Kuwait, the Kuwaiti citizens beat the Palestinians. If no one
can be found to abuse the Palestinians, they pass the time by killing and
abusing each other.

Nobody likes the Palestinians, not even other Palestinians.

And Iran, per se, doesn't hate Israel. Iran never waged war on Israel (until
the present leadership). There used to be regular air traffic between Tel
Aviv and Teheran, diplomatic relations, and all the rest.

The Iranians do, however (along with the rest of the world) hate
Palestinians.

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:20:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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On Sep 19, 12:53 am, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>
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> Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right

websites.

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> If
> Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we to
> argue?
>
> Paul

I notice you did not cite what website you are talking about.

That's your job. It's your source. But hat you posted is common fodder

in

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all of them.

Paul

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Paul are you saying that Trijcomm is misquoting the Koran?

The word here is context. You can quote the Bible all day long and get it
wrong. Same with the Kuran. Neither of us are religious scholars and I for
one would love to hear from one regarding those alleged passages.
Especially I would like to hear from an Arabic speaking scholar who speaks
fluent English. The right wing has flaunted those passages whenever it
needs a boogey man. Its always the same passages, and I want to know who is
saying what to whom in those passages. For all we know it may be a fable
being recounted and not a directive to kill Jews.

Context is the key.

Paul

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On Sep 18, 3:08 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "trijcomm" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that

I

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was quite

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> > > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an

impression in

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> > > > >> your
> > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV.

That

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was nothing

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>
> > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.
>
> > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > > Allen
>
> > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.
>
> > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > > war in a hornet nest.
>
> > > Idots.
>
> > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> > > and tried to cover it up[2].
>
> > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.
>
> > > --Tedward
>
> > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have

to

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> > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American

populace

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> > is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that

were

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> > the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
> > president.
>
> IFYPFY.
>
> I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
> the liberal was *too* liberal.
>
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Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
political argument.

In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
Republican run on hate to win elections.

You come so very close to the brink of a sensible arguement, and then toss
out a loony ass statement like this. Oh well...

Have you never head of the "Southern strategy?" Please Google it and tell
me that it is not about hate. I will reiterate, Reopublicans use hate to
win elections. They also are very adept at using fear to manipulate.

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I suppose the Dems constant demonization of "the rich" is showing the

love?

Now that is a looney statement.

Paul

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Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive...

Our foreign policy regarding *everything* is counter-productive. The
drunk frat boy is runnung the country. :^(

there seems to be two schools of thought about whether bush is
drinking or not. if not, i think he should start, although it
probably wouldn't shorten his work day at all.

your pal,
blake

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Paul M. Cook said:

I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
genocidal policies toward the Palestinians.

Huh? Black September got its name from the expulsion of the Palestinians

by

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Jordan. The Palestinians made a mess of Lebanon and had to be expelled

from

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there. The Palestinian workers in Kuwait cheered when Iraq's troops

invaded

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and Iraqi troops beat them just for drill. Then when the Iraqi troops were
driven out of Kuwait, the Kuwaiti citizens beat the Palestinians. If no

one

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can be found to abuse the Palestinians, they pass the time by killing and
abusing each other.

Nobody likes the Palestinians, not even other Palestinians.

And Iran, per se, doesn't hate Israel. Iran never waged war on Israel

(until

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the present leadership). There used to be regular air traffic between Tel
Aviv and Teheran, diplomatic relations, and all the rest.

The Iranians do, however (along with the rest of the world) hate
Palestinians.

They do? I see, so the fact that Iran supports Hammas, which was elected by
the Palestinians to represent them, is what? A joke?

Paul

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Edward M. Kennedy said:

Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.

I disagree. Iraq has had a democracy within living memory, it has a
well-educated population, a higher standard of living than most of its
neighbors, a secularized society, and the intrinsic wealth to make it

work.

Correct on all counts but the first one.

Paul

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> On Sep 18, 3:08 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > "trijcomm" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say
> > > > > >> that

I

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was quite
> > > > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an
impression in
> > > > > >> your
> > > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV.

That

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was nothing
> >
> > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.
> >
> > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> > > > > Allen
> >
> > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> > > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.
> >
> > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> > > > war in a hornet nest.
> >
> > > > Idots.
> >
> > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> > > > and tried to cover it up[2].
> >
> > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.
> >
> > > > --Tedward
> >
> > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have

to

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> > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
populace
> > > is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that
were
> > > the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
> > > president.
> >
> > IFYPFY.
> >
> > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
> > the liberal was *too* liberal.
> >
> > --Tedward- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
> politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
> school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
> religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
> religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
> political argument.
>

In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
Republican run on hate to win elections.

You come so very close to the brink of a sensible arguement, and then
toss
out a loony ass statement like this. Oh well...

Have you never head of the "Southern strategy?" Please Google it and tell
me that it is not about hate. I will reiterate, Reopublicans use hate to
win elections. They also are very adept at using fear to manipulate.

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I suppose the Dems constant demonization of "the rich" is showing the

love?

Now that is a looney statement.

Yup. kook...

LG
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