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  1. OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    Finally, looong, just like my adventure.😉 But it’s arranged by chapters
    with the most relevant stuff to this group first. And, yes, this has
    pictures and maps (links are down a little ways).

    How did I get interested in wanting to go running for hours through the
    woods and above treeline? Shortly after completing my first race (a
    winter tri in Dec 2001 that was the only race with a running component
    that I could do between field seasons – yes, that was in Alaska at +1F,
    but swim leg was in pool), Doug whispered the idea of an ultra in my
    ear. I can “blame” him.😉 Seriously, I thank Doug for introducing me to
    such fun and challenge. When I started getting into more structured
    running, I just wanted to run “a little more” with no real goal other
    than stress relief in mind. Sooo, be careful what you whisper in
    impressionable kids’ ears.

    The ultra options in mainland Alaska are fairly limited, and any summer
    races would have to wait until I retired in June 2005. But I needed the
    time anyway to build base and get some muscle weaknesses / imbalances at
    least partly straightened out. I volunteered at the Resurrection Pass
    Trail 50/100 race in 2005 and 2006. The 100 miler starts at the Hope end
    at 3pm on Friday and goes to the Cooper Landing end then reverses
    direction. 50-milers start at 6am on Saturday, and official finishers
    need to be done by 7pm Saturday (13 hrs for 50 milers, 28 hrs for 100
    milers). There are aid stations / drop bags where the trail hits the
    road (mile 38 for 50 milers; miles 12, 50, 88 for the 100 milers).
    http://www.alaska.net/~develice/respass.html
    http://www.pbase.com/rnicholl/respass100

    After Lost Lake (15.5 mi) went comparatively well last year and at the
    Lost Lake raffle I won a free night’s lodging at a luxury lodge near
    start of this race. It just seemed like an sign that 2007 was the year
    to try Resurrection Pass - at least the trail portion. And that
    conveniently was about 60k so it made a nice goal for the year I turned
    60. No more putting it off. <gulp> Preparing for it reminded me of my
    1st race – the winter tri where I had to spend so much time figuring
    gear out for winter biking – and my backpacking days. Even doing 38 mi
    was a jump up of about 2.5 times over my next longest “race”, and
    there’s no way I was going to be able to do 50 mi in 13 hrs, the cutoff
    for the 50 mi race. Over the years, a number of people have opted to
    just do the 38 mi of trail and accept a DNF on the 50, which included 12
    mi of gravel road beyond the trailhead.

    Executive Summary: Somewhat like last year’s Lost Lake, especially the
    weather, but succeeded in main goals and a reasonable recovery. I had a
    blast. I hadn’t scoped out course ahead of time, so it was truly an
    adventure and I sometimes felt like a kid on Christmas morning.

    Resurrection Pass Trail background

    Resurrection Pass trail is the northern part of the historic route
    (Resurrection Trail) miners used to use to get from the port of Seward
    on Resurrection Bay to the Hope mining district in the early 1900s.
    There’s some interesting mining remnants at the Hope end where the
    stream channel has been restored to encourage salmon spawning. The trail
    is currently maintained by the USFS and has a series of 8 fee cabins for
    people hiking the whole trail, maybe 4-5 day trip. There’s also a number
    of designated campgrounds with “bearproof” food containers. It’s
    “heavily” used by hikers and mountain bikers, although I think I only
    saw about 4 mtn bikers and maybe 15 hikers in my adventure. The Cooper
    Landing end of it starts just across the road from the Kenai River /
    Russian River confluence, famous for its salmon, combat fishing, and, of
    course, bears that like fishing also.
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/chugach/seward/rec/trails/res_pass_s.htm
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/chugach/seward/rec/trails/res_pass_n.htm

    My Goals
    1. Make it to the starting line. - yep
    2. Do the 60k of the Resurrection Pass Trail between the two trailheads
    – the only road intersections. - yep
    3. Have fun. – yep yep
    4. Don’t be eaten by real bear. – still here although still wondering
    about sounds in brush
    5. Don’t be eaten by figurative bear. – reached trailhead without
    meltdown, although almost dissolved
    6. Consider completing the 50-mi course of the RP race being held the
    same day IF I thought I could complete it safely even outside their
    cutoff times. - No. I opted to live to run another day rather than
    risking overuse injury of hip flexors and other core area stuff where
    I’ve had problems before. I may run slow and seem mentally slow
    sometimes, but I do tend to learn and be conservative.

    Picture, maps, clippings
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/RP2007Maps/index.html (maps, satellite
    images, profiles, etc)
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/ResPass2007/index.html (pics this year)
    http://www.adn.com/sports/story/9198149p-9114556c.html (this year)
    http://www.pbase.com/rnicholl/respass100 (pics in sun a few years ago)
    http://akrunning.blogspot.com/ (This guy set new course record. See his
    Aug 5 entry, in particular read is comment about weather in pass. Very
    similar to my Lost Lake experience last year.)

    Mental perspective
    When you look at a satellite image or map (see map link above) of the
    Resurrection Pass National Recreation Trail, it’s an awesome run up one
    river valley over a pass and down another. Classic. A route just begging
    to be run / hiked / crawled by someone who wanted to run / hike for many
    hours through the woods and above tree line. Lack of roads also means,
    there’s no aid stations, no safety patrol, no sag wagons. You’re
    dependent on yourself to get to the next trailhead. If we’d had a
    convenient 50k or even 50mi on 10-mi loops, I would have used something
    like that as an introduction to longer distances. But that wasn’t an
    option other than as training runs. So this was a huge leap for me – not
    just in distance but logistics since I’d have to treat water along the
    way and carry more gear than normal. A new challenge.

    I planned things conservatively – a reasonable compromise between what’s
    likely to happen and trying to keep gear light. One guideline I really
    like when developing strategies is that presented by the RD of the
    Iditarod Trail Invitational (a member of one of my trail clubs): if you
    have any doubt as to your ability to keep moving, drinking, and eating,
    take more gear. Running low on calories can get you in a real downward
    spiral with hypothermia.

    The Adventure
    Weather had been forecast to be rainy, and the clouds moving in could be
    clearly seen on radar for the previous couple days. The night before the
    clouds were building ominously, but the morning was dry and overcast. I
    had cold vegetarian pizza the night before and for breakfast, which
    worked really well (tested in training). Pre-race briefing was about
    5:55am (Fig. 1) when Jeff Bannish let us know that he had marked the
    critical turns for us last night when he came through with the 100
    milers. Thanks, Jeff. We at least got started on dry trails. This was
    actually significant in the 3 course records set since the 100 milers
    had started the day before – cool, dry conditions - and the 50-mile
    winner was finishing about the time the weather deteriorated, about when
    I hit the pass.

    First part of trail had been brushed in the last couple days, which was
    nice since vegetation had been pretty aggressive on many trails this
    summer. Hmmm, this brushed area didn’t last that long. This could be a
    long day running / hiking alone in tall veggies. Between pack weight, 4
    mi climb (but only 800 ft), and early hour of the day, I had planned on
    hiking the first hill. I was actually able to run more of it than I
    thought. (Most of my local hills are in the 20-30% range, then 10% when
    I start doing the gravel roads during breakup. So I had worked more on
    hiking the hills with pack than actually running them. I’ll change this
    next year.)

    Then comes *first* bear scat pile, but pretty small. Less than 30 sec
    later, I hear something big in brush. Gee, what’s that spike on hrm that
    I noticed later. Reached for bear spray and took safety off, but never
    saw what made noise – but I was looking behind me for awhile and not
    giving impression of running away. I saw several larger piles in the
    pass (vegetarian bears), but never any prints.

    I proceeded onward and eventually heard Juneau falls in the canyon
    below. Shortly after that I come to bridge crossing – about 10 min
    before my time estimate. Filled 32oz water bottle, added iodine, and was
    on my way. After the falls, it’s flat, with just enough texture to keep
    from repetitiveness. The trail is also wider in through here (Fig. 3),
    I’ve relaxed a little more regarding bears, and there’s some more
    scenery. This is like really cool fun, more so than I thought it would be.

    I hit the three cabins (Trout Lake then Romig and Juneau Lake) (Fig. 4)
    just about right on schedule (see splits at end), then stopped at far
    end of Juneau Lake for water swap as planned. By this time the clouds
    are spitting and the wind is picking up a little bit, so I also put on
    my Chinook shell – windproof, not breathable, water resistant, but it’s
    so light that it dries out pretty quickly if the rain stops.

    I proceeded onward run / walking toward Swan Lake and scenery started
    getting more interesting with some interesting rock deposits (Fig. 6).
    Arrived at the turn to head up to Devil’s Pass and started climbing
    again (Fig. 7-9). I had been warned about robust veggies in here and
    eventually reached the tall stuff. You could see there should be
    scenery, but the veggies were just tall enough to prevent a good view.
    Occasionally there would be a break. Then I could see Swan Lake tucked
    in its valley (7) and eventually got high enough to see Juneau Lake (8)
    and the wetlands above it.

    Eventually the climb tapered out (maybe 1000ft in 4mi), and the veggies
    got smaller and the scenery opened up. Very definitely having lots of
    fun now since I really love alpine areas, although prefer them a little
    higher with the real short vegetation – the stuff that’s too short for
    bears to hide behind. It was kinda like Christmas morning with lots of
    neat views as I got in the pass area.

    The light rain was reminding me somewhat of Lost Lake last year. Then
    the wind picked up a little and the rain increased a bit. Hmm, this is
    just like Lost Lake last year. Legs start getting a little cold. How far
    to trees? Too far. This was the mistake I made last year when my legs
    got cold and lost agility. Time to put rain gear on – the water proof,
    nonbreathable stuff with vents and hood. And a robust resin birch shrub
    appeared on the windward side of the trail just about then. Perfect
    place to drop pack and put rain gear on. I was still a little chilly
    after getting stuff on so pulled up the hood for about 10 min. Worked
    great. Anyway, I kinda laughed at the weather, enjoyed the scenery, was
    thankful I had brought the good rain gear and worn the drainable shoes
    that had performed so admirably at Lost Lake last year. Also in weather
    like this, I think my body absorbs moisture from the air, as I was
    definitely peeing out more than I drank. This is the weather when I know
    my needs are less than 10oz/hr. This means fewer water stops. However,
    increased pee breaks took about the same time the water stops would have
    taken – and longer when everything started getting sticky wet later.

    I passed a group of about half a dozen kids (maybe boy scouts and
    leaders) who were backpacking. I think I was definitely having more fun
    than what some of the kids looked like. I was walking at the time I
    passed them, but one of the adults asked if I was one of the 100-mi
    runners. No, I assured her I was only a pseudo-38-mile runner/hiker, but
    I thought it was curious that she thought I was a runner and not a
    hiker. It occurred to me later after seeing all the hikers with large
    external frame packs and I only had a light day pack about 19 miles from
    either trail head, that that must have been a give away – certainly
    wasn’t my speed.

    I passed Devil’s Cabin (Fig.13-14) and proceeded toward Resurrection
    Pass, reaching it just about right on schedule for individual splits. I
    started the gentle downhill, knowing that soon I’d be out of my beloved
    alpine surroundings. The downhill is fairly gentle high above
    Resurrection Creek. When streams come in from the right side, the trail
    contours around them and drops downhill more steeply (maybe 10%) into
    those incised valleys for the crossings and comes back up again. Of
    course with the extra pee breaks I was needing, the rain, the downhill,
    and the roaring side streams, lets just say we needed lots of extra pee
    breaks. Some days are like that. I think the rain pants slightly
    sticking to knees may have altered my gait a little so the downhills
    were not graceful. Of course wearing CW-X shorts didn’t help matters
    with the pee breaks and rain, but we rarely have weather warm enough for
    cold-blooded me to wear loose shorts. I did discover that power hiking
    plus some peeing was faster than running / hiking plus lots more peeing.
    And I think every experienced ultra runner has suggested practicing
    walking - either for the hills or tired legs at end, although they never
    mentioned avoiding extra pee breaks.😉

    Surprisingly, up to the last cabin (about 30 miles; 7 miles beyond my
    longest run), I was able to maintain very close to my estimated splits.
    Then the last 7.5 miles were hiked only (pee considerations) and that
    was slower than anticipated (24). Arrived at 38-mi trailhead at 12:48:12
    just before the cutoff time for the 50/100 miles. I accomplished what I
    wanted, but it's a DNF at 50 mi. At one time, I had considered
    continuing unofficially on the road portion, but given the hour, the
    weather, the forecast weather, and a number of signals my body had been
    sending me for the last couple hours, I decided to end the day on a
    pleasant note, drive home in light traffic, get a hot shower, sleep in
    my warm bed, and have a reasonably quick recovery. (The alternative was
    continuing on another 4-5 hrs at the rate I was going on non-scenic
    gravel roads and sleeping in my car, possibly risking overuse injury and
    a much longer recovery.) Summer is short. Quick recovery means I could
    still do more running this summer vs spending it recovering. I
    accomplished my primary goal and opted to live to run another day.

    One of the volunteers was still waiting at the trailhead for me,
    apparently not realizing that I had my car shuttled to the trailhead
    rather than the finish line - expecting to take about 12.5-13 hrs. We
    drove to the finish line, and there was still some bar-b-que beef
    sandwiches which went down well. Thanks to RD’s Pat Munz and Pam Richter
    for putting on a wonderful race again and to Jeff Bannish for marking
    the significant intersections when he came through with the 100-mi
    runners the night before. They did say this was probably the worst
    weather they’ve ever had for the race. I told them that’s because I’m
    here. Last year Lost Lake had their first rainy race in 15 yrs – the
    year I did it. People aren’t going to want me in their races at this rate.

    What would I do differently in the race: Take more pictures of trail
    conditions – excellent illustrations of benefits if you outslope a trail
    vs having it incised.
    I’ve also wondered if using Vaseline on legs (1) might have facilitated
    getting shorts up when wet or (2) helped with the stickiness of the rain
    pants on knees.

    What would I do differently before the race that could be done
    differently: Train running downhill in full raingear with wet legs and
    pack on wet trail.😉 Hazards of short summer season and not having much
    rain in early part.😉 Obviously with more time, I could have built a
    larger base, more long runs, more intensity, etc, but given my recovery
    rates, where I was, my knowledge or lack thereof of the course, etc, I
    don’t think I could have built much more this year safely. At 60, if you
    go over the injury line, it takes much longer to heal. And considering 5
    yrs ago, my GP suggested I give up running because of my Achilles issues
    and 4 yrs ago I overdid some stuff with hip flexors that took 1-2 yr to
    recover from, I was happy with setting an achievable goal, but one that
    I had to work harder than normal for. I was definitely challenging my
    body this year.

    Going forward, I would probably do some things differently, but exactly
    what will depend on snow and breakup conditions.

    Training
    (I’m including the Training and Schedule sections just cuz it’s come up
    here in discussions and I know some others are heading that direction)
    This pretty much followed my past approach: go with the flow. I
    periodize based on seasons (weather, not racing) and transition from
    general (Oct-Dec) to specific (Apr-Jun). I do the best I can with snow
    conditions and see what comes out the end in May-June (breakup may close
    some trails from mid April to mid to late May). By general, I mean I’ll
    do my xt class early in base and may xc ski for one of my runs or in
    addition to runs up through January. But by March I’m not likely to ski
    rather than run as I try to become more specific.

    Most of the running year, starting last November, I ran (or did
    “something”) 2 on / 1 off with some minor variations. Sometimes it was
    run, sometimes my xt class, sometimes xc skiing. This increased
    frequency gave me some flexibility to avoid the worst weather (no -20F
    or 70mph winds on long runs, but did some in the 0-10F range or 40mph
    winds) or dealing with slower recovery than expected. If I couldn’t hit
    a workout on the 1st of the two runs, I’d just do it easy, then come
    back the next day with something a little harder – or whatever worked –
    or maybe not until the next pair of running days. Or I might do 3 in a
    row, off, single day. While it did provide flexibility through much of
    the winter, I found I was usually struggling with recovery and wondering
    if I was sacrificing quality or quantity for frequency. But I figured at
    some point, I would probably adapt to it. I think I was finally starting
    to adapt just before taper, but still felt like I was juggling things to
    accommodate the frequency.

    Schedule
    In an earlier thread about long runs, Doug and TrailRunner seemed to
    agree that a few runs in the 7-8 hr range were what I should build my
    long runs up to – and those runs spread over a few months. And that
    advice was right on – I just wasn’t able to quite get to that level.
    Typically the longest long run is about 5 wks before race and last long
    run 3 wks out. Counting back from Aug 4, that makes June 30, the longest
    long run. I’ve found the gravel roads in the Hatcher Pass area form the
    best gradients to mimic the race course – long, gentle climbs (<5%).
    They were plowing snow from one of my roads on June 12. duh. Exactly one
    of my long runs was run in weather warm enough for shorts, and I was in
    snow at least part of my runs up until the one 3 wks out. Specificity is
    an issue.

    Count back 3 months from this for the 3 longest runs = early April. We
    usually are either at end of snow at lower elevations or into breakup.
    Obviously, the mountains (with my more gentle slopes of gravel roads)
    are still covered later. That leaves Oct to Jan to start rebuilding and
    Jan-Mar for serious building to the long runs. That means the bulk of
    base building is on snow. Trails in the mountains usually aren’t
    available (past breakup) until late June / early July, which is
    basically in the 5 weeks after longest run. I have yet to see any
    schedule that can accommodate these conditions.

    I liked Trailrunner’s approach of the 4-hr back-to-back runs since that
    meant I didn’t need to worry about long runs and frozen water for more
    than 4 hr in Feb. His suggestion was to do long runs every 2 wks,
    alternating the single long run (7-8 hrs) with b2b (4hr/4hr with the 2nd
    day being walking, with running if the body allowed). Because of the
    soft snow and colder than normal temperatures earlier in winter, I
    hadn’t made much progress on the long runs until middle of February –
    after a weather meltdown and sudden packing of the loose snow. I worked
    on building from 4hr / 2 hr to approaching 5hr/3hr then when I had
    snow-free terrain on gravel roads in mid-April, I started just expanding
    the long run, since I felt that had the biggest payback for me. With
    b2b, DOMS was more of an issue than energy depletion – at least for me
    and the intensity at which I could do them. My weakness seemed to be
    more along the lines of keeping the body working continuously, since hip
    flexors still had some problems after many hours. While the b2b could be
    done more intensely (theoretically), I found that to work on my
    weaknesses and start dealing with gear issues (hard to train with summer
    gear in the snow), it seemed better to just focus on the one long run.
    Because of getting gear together, driving to trail head, etc, it seemed
    a better use of training time. I was only able to get 2 of the 7-8 hr
    runs in, and usually I do much better on the 3rd of whatever. Oh, well.
    I did have 3 in the 6-6.5 hr range.

    Because of the lack of specificity on snow and during breakup, I just
    tried to get my long run in every 2 wks. Then when I had terra firma to
    train on, I moved it out to 2.5 wks. That provided the opportunity to do
    some more quality workouts between the long runs, including intermediate
    length run of 3ish hours with pack. All long runs were done with a pack,
    and the last 3 of the longest runs were all done with pack setup close
    to what I’d use, including the dual bladder and water swapping setup.
    The experiments to get something that worked for me were amusing to say
    the least as I sometimes got tangled in tubes or straps. This is why we
    do long runs.

    I do recognize the value of the alternating b2b and single long run that
    Trailrunner suggested. I just couldn’t pull it off. And even in the
    future, I may be better following a pattern like this year (b2b on snow
    in freezing temperatures, then single long run when on dirt / gravel),
    since it meshes with the weather and trail conditions better. I’d
    definitely consider some single runs with pack in the 3-4 hr range,
    which I only had one of this year.

    Here’s my long runs in approximate hours:
    2/17 4:01 + 2:19 hike next day
    3/03 4:25 + 1:44 hike next day
    3/15 4:43 gusts to 40mph + 3:21 hike next day in a less windy place
    3/30 2:53 snowshoe “long” run/hike + 1:51 hike next day
    4/12 3:11 run + 2:01 hike=5:10 1st non-snow run, gravel road, starting
    big hills (1000+ft)
    4/25 5:54 big hills
    5/12 4:27 long run/hike after 1:42 race = 6 hrs total
    5/27 6:29 flattish (couldn’t get to hill I wanted)
    6/12 7:24 big hills
    6/23 3:14 intermediate length with a little more vigor
    6/28 7:44 longest long run, big hills
    7/12 4:08 last long run
    8/04 12:48 adventure

    I did struggle with the longest runs, but some of that resulted from
    running uphill with heavier pack than normal. I seriously questioned
    whether I had bitten off too much for this year, but Doug politely
    ignored the question, which I took as a response to just keep plugging
    and I’d adapt if I did it enough times. FWIW, DOMS after a couple of my
    long runs was much more severe than after my actual adventure. Duh.
    Maybe that’s why we do these things.

    General volume (run, power hike) averaged about 6-8 hr in non-long run
    weeks, 11-12 hr in long-run weeks. On a 4-wk basis for the 12 wks prior
    to taper, I averaged about 37-38 hr, 120 miles, 11,000 ft. (9.5 hr, 30
    mi, 2750ft). Since I usually use something like 2-2.5 wks for
    microcycle, weekly totals don’t have much meaning as you can see from
    the variation.

    Landscape Unit pacing: Charlie kids me about my pacing, so you’re going
    to have to endure a split table, Dot style.😉 I run by effort and am
    truly clueless about what pace (min/mi) I’m running while I’m actually
    running it. But I was able to simulate enough landscape units of the
    race (e.g. 4.5 mi, 1000ft climb or flat or whatever), that I used them
    as approximate guesstimates of when I thought I’d get to certain
    landmarks. This was primarily for guidelines and fluid/fuel strategies –
    and also to keep myself moving if I was taking too many pictures. 😉

    I did most of my long runs on gravel roads (some old mining roads,
    washed out in places, as well as regular gravel roads). I recognized the
    trail conditions would be different (single track, maybe overgrown, but
    probably smoother footing), but I was hoping the differences would be a
    wash. I do take pictures on my long runs also, so there was no reason to
    suspect much different pace during race. Since the trail has 8 cabins
    spaced along it, I used them as well-defined landmarks. I know they say
    to just relax and enjoy your race / adventure, but knowing how slow I
    am, I felt some goal estimates within the race would encourage me to
    keep moving if I was slow (like stop taking so many pictures) or keep me
    from panicking if I was keeping up with them (ok to take advantage of
    some photo ops). I also needed time estimates to get an approximate idea
    on hydrating and fueling. I ended up hitting my estimates within a
    minute or two at all the cabins or other landmarks except the final
    parking lot, and I think my goal there had been too aggressive, plus
    that’s the last section where I was slowed by the peeing and sticky
    shorts cuz the rain had everything so wet by then. I think my body was
    absorbing the rain rather than sweating. The distances come from a trail
    guide book. The trail has a cutoff that’s more direct between Swan Lake
    and Devil’s Pass, so those two actual splits don’t actually correspond
    to the planned route, but, hey, I took the time savings.😉

    Goal Goal Actual Actual
    Mi Mi Hrs Hrs Elapsed Split
    Strt Splt Strt Splt
    Juneau Creek Falls * 4.0 4.0 1.5 1.5 01:18:18 1.30
    Bean CreekTrail Jcn 4.5 0.5 1.6 0.1 01:27:44 0.15
    Trout Lake Cabin 7.3 2.8 2.3 0.7 02:09:59 0.70
    Romig Cabin, Juneau Lk 8.8 1.5 2.8 0.5 02:39:59 0.50
    Juneau Lake Cabin * 9.3 0.5 3.0 0.2 02:48:12 0.14
    Swan Lake Cabin 13.0 3.8 4.5 1.5 03:48:58 1.00
    Devils Pass Cabin 16.8 3.8 6.0 1.5 05:32:16 1.72
    Resurrection Pass 18.5 1.8 6.7 0.7 06:14:55 0.71
    East Creek Cabin 23.3 4.8 8.1 1.4 07:35:54 1.35
    Fox Creek Cabin 26.3 3.0 9.0 0.9 08:33:21 0.96
    Caribou Creek Cabin 31.3 5.0 10.3 1.3 09:53:47 1.34
    Hope trail head 38.5 7.3 12.5 2.2 12:48:12 2.91

    Fluid / electrolyte / fuel strategy: I made up baggies of sports drink
    4:1 Clip2:Ultra + vitamin C (negate iodine) for 32 oz servings ahead of
    time so all I had to do was dump one baggie plus treated water in
    bladder, bleed air, and stick in back in pack. I’ve also liked SlimFast
    for a non-fruity taste, and a more basic drink – heck, I like chocolate
    milkshakes.

    I started with 45oz of Clip/Ultra in the one bladder (mixed night
    before), 22 oz of chocolate Slimfast in the other (frozen in the bladder
    a couple days before and kept in cooler), and empty 32-oz scooper /
    iodine treating bottle. At 1.3 hr in at top of first climb, I filled the
    32-oz bottle and added iodine. The plan was about every 2 hr after that
    to have a pit stop where I added the powdered mix to the bladder
    followed by the treated water, then refill the 32-oz bottle and get the
    next batch of iodine going. However, because of the weather and all the
    peeing (certainly not planned), I only did a complete water stop once –
    and that 2lb of treated water was carried for almost 10 hrs unused
    (about hr 3 to hr 12.8). And I only used about 8 oz of Slimfast,
    although I wonder if that might have stayed in better than the sports drink.

    Here’s a table of amounts of what I used (or at least what I
    remembered). Somebody here has to balance Dan’s sweat rate.😉 This is
    for about 13 hrs of running/hiking.

    Servings cal carb g Na mg K mg
    3 wheat thins 390 60 750 0
    1 Clif bar 250 44 110 220
    4 Clif shot bloks 400 96 280 80
    2 Raisinets 400 66 30 0
    2 Succeed caps 0 0 682 42

    3 Sports drink 450 105 528 44
    0.7 Slimfast 160 29 160 436

    Total 2050 400 2540 822
    Per hour 158 31 195 63

    68 oz fluids used
    5.2 oz/hr fluids

    Wheat thins almost always tasted salty.

    Shoes: Brooks Trespass since they proved last year that they drain well
    in the rain. I did test their Adrenaline ASR in the rain one day before
    the race, and they absorbed so much water, they weren’t an option. (I
    still have one more unused pair of Trespasses that were discontinued
    several years ago.)

    Gear: Gregory Iso pack worked really well for me. It has space for two
    bladders – 1 for sports drink, 1 for Slimfast. My camera (Canon S410)
    went in left belt pouch, and some food, like Clif bar and shot bloks in
    the other. I used a Golite Team Pouch and CamelBak CommPak shoulder
    strap pocket for more food. Between all the pockets, I could carry food
    for about 3-hr (as it turned out almost 13 hrs) without having to remove
    pack. So the plan was to stop about every 2-3 hrs, do the fluid swaps,
    grab packet of food or anything else from pack then continue on another
    couple hours. I had the swaps down to about 5-6 min (early attempts were
    comical at about 10 min and getting tangled with tubes and straps).

    Bears: Yea, I took bear spray with me, but depended on me making noise.
    This is why you use the talk test when running. 😉

    I really had a lot of fun and looking forward to next year when,
    hopefully, I'll be better prepared. Having been on the course once, I'll
    have a better idea how to train.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  2. grrr - I thought I had cut it down more (you should see the original
    with all my thoughts).

    Tables got messed up in transmission, but I think you can figure them out.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  3. Dot said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    Nice one, Dot.

    Quoted message said:

    Resurrection Pass trail is the northern part of the historic route
    (Resurrection Trail) miners used to use to get from the port of Seward
    on Resurrection Bay to the Hope mining district in the early 1900s.

    Resurrection Bay looks beautiful, especially from Mt. Marathon 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Picture, maps, clippings
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/RP2007Maps/index.html (maps,


    satellite images, profiles, etc)

    Quoted message said:

    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/ResPass2007/index.html (pics this year)

    Beautiful. It's still so green. Down here, pretty much everything is
    slowly turning brown or black (due to wildfires) as we near the end of
    summer.

    Quoted message said:

    Then comes *first* bear scat pile, but pretty small. Less than 30 sec
    later, I hear something big in brush. Gee, what’s that spike on hrm
    that I noticed later. Reached for bear spray and took safety off, but
    never saw what made noise – but I was looking behind me for awhile and
    not giving impression of running away. I saw several larger piles in
    the pass (vegetarian bears), but never any prints.

    Heh, this part was funny. Have you considered using bear bells attached
    to your pack? By vegetarian bears, do you mean they eat only
    vegetarians? ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I proceeded onward and eventually heard Juneau falls in the canyon
    below. Shortly after that I come to bridge crossing – about 10 min
    before my time estimate. Filled 32oz water bottle, added iodine, and
    was on my way.

    Doesn't the iodine taste get to you? I remember using it for backpacking
    a few times and it takes a couple of days just to get used to it.

    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, up to the last cabin (about 30 miles; 7 miles beyond my
    longest run), I was able to maintain very close to my estimated


    splits. >Then the last 7.5 miles were hiked only (pee considerations)
    and that >was slower than anticipated (24). Arrived at 38-mi trailhead
    at >12:48:12 just before the cutoff time for the 50/100 miles. I

    Quoted message said:

    accomplished what I wanted,

    Congrats, Dot, and looks like you had great fun doing it.
    That's more than I've ever hiked/run/whatever in a day.

    Quoted message said:

    I told them that’s because I’m here. Last year Lost Lake had their
    first rainy race in 15 yrs – the year I did it. People aren’t going to
    want me in their races at this rate.

    Watch out, soon they'll be calling you "Torrent Dot" a la "Typhoid Mary."

    Quoted message said:

    I’ve also wondered if using Vaseline on legs (1) might have
    facilitated getting shorts up when wet or (2) helped with the
    stickiness of the rain pants on knees.

    Would it prevent the legs from breathing? I don't know, just asking.

    Quoted message said:


    Landscape Unit pacing: Charlie kids me about my pacing, so you’re
    going to have to endure a split table, Dot style.😉

    As long as no one picks on you for berry-picking such an easy race.

    Quoted message said:

    Gear: Gregory Iso pack worked really well for me. It has space for


    two >bladders – 1 for sports drink, 1 for Slimfast. My camera (Canon S410)

    You could switch to the Casio Exilim which is about 2 ounces lighter. 2
    ounces over 38 miles, let's see how many seconds per mile ....

    Thanks for the very nice report, Dot. You should consider putting it up
    elsewhere too, like a blog or something. It has a lot of detailed
    information which someone might find useful.

    Looks like you had lots of fun and excitement - beautiful scenery, bear
    scare, rains, what not. Fully recovered now?

    Regards,
    jobs

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  4. Dot said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    ....and wrote a 60 page report on it. ;-p

    Seriously, thanks for the lengthy writeup. I enjoyed it very much.
    Figured you'd be hard at work on a pretty lengthy exposition,
    otherwise I'd've bugged you about "where's yr report" before now. And
    on the other hand I was relieved to see you'd posted once or twice to
    the group since race day, so we knew you hadn't become a grizzly
    snack.

    And WOO-dlee-doo HOO!!! Huge congratulations! That's a serious
    achievement at the end of some long-term preparation, at the same time
    as it was plainly a helluva lotta fun!

    Quoted message said:

    http://akrunning.blogspot.com/ (This guy set new course record. See his
    Aug 5 entry, in particular read is comment about weather in pass. Very
    similar to my Lost Lake experience last year.)

    Yes, I'd already read that (googling for the race just in case
    reportage had mentioned you had in fact been eaten by a bear and 'twas
    an impostor who'd posted under your name), and indeed my first thought
    was that he'd plagiarized your writeup from last year. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    my needs are less than 10oz/hr. This means fewer water stops.

    Dot and lance: fraternal twins? ;-)

  5. jobs said:
    Dot said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    Nice one, Dot.

    Thanks, jobs.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Resurrection Pass trail is the northern part of the historic route
    (Resurrection Trail) miners used to use to get from the port of Seward
    on Resurrection Bay to the Hope mining district in the early 1900s.

    Resurrection Bay looks beautiful, especially from Mt. Marathon 🙂

    I've never had that view of Resurrection Bay.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Picture, maps, clippings
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/RP2007Maps/index.html (maps,


    satellite images, profiles, etc)

    Quoted message said:

    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/ResPass2007/index.html (pics this year)

    Beautiful. It's still so green. Down here, pretty much everything is
    slowly turning brown or black (due to wildfires) as we near the end of
    summer.

    Yea, when I lived in CO, we figured about 1, maybe 2, wks of green.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Then comes *first* bear scat pile, but pretty small. Less than 30 sec
    later, I hear something big in brush. Gee, what’s that spike on hrm
    that I noticed later. Reached for bear spray and took safety off, but
    never saw what made noise – but I was looking behind me for awhile and
    not giving impression of running away. I saw several larger piles in
    the pass (vegetarian bears), but never any prints.

    Heh, this part was funny. Have you considered using bear bells attached
    to your pack?

    In the expanded "Bear" section that got condensed, I went into what my
    options were. I used to use a cow bell on my field vest during field
    work, and that worked fine - good and loud - but there's no way I wanted
    that level of noise clanging after me for 13 hrs. I did try one of those
    cute little bear bells with the magnet to stop the clanger, and those
    things just don't make enough noise to even make them worthwhile.
    They're great on people's dogs, so you know where they are. Air horns
    are also effective, but again, I didn't want that level of noise. They
    also have a risk factor of scaring the bears into attacking them. So I
    opted for me yelling, esp. in sensitive areas, and taking bear spray. I
    did take a fresh can.😉 Actually, I'd been considering that when I was
    talking with one of the local ultra runners who works at NOLS, and he
    mentioned taking bear spray, yelling, and having it drawn through some
    of the densest vegetation. Contrary to jokes about it, it can be
    effective if properly used. And in reported encounters, it's been more
    successful than firearms, BUT who's to know what isn't reported.

    Quoted message said:

    By vegetarian bears, do you mean they eat only
    vegetarians? ;-)

    LOL. Nah, just that I only saw veggies in their scat for that day
    (berries and probably cow parsnip) - reflex reaction from so many years
    of field work. Those eating meat that day were probably down at the
    fishing stream - across the road from the starting trailhead. (one of
    the reasons I didn't attempt to check out the trail alone earlier) I'm
    not a vegetarian, but based on the flavors our local pizza place has and
    what I tested carb loading with, the vegetarian pizza worked best.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I proceeded onward and eventually heard Juneau falls in the canyon
    below. Shortly after that I come to bridge crossing – about 10 min
    before my time estimate. Filled 32oz water bottle, added iodine, and
    was on my way.

    Doesn't the iodine taste get to you? I remember using it for backpacking
    a few times and it takes a couple of days just to get used to it.

    That's what the vitamin C is for. That worked really well. The first
    time I tested the iodine it turned my sports drink powder a really dark
    color - like the oil sludge from a car. I panicked and asked the
    developer about it, and he told me about the vitamin C trick, which I
    hadn't been aware of but did find many references to it later. (Thanks
    to Karl King for help with this.)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Surprisingly, up to the last cabin (about 30 miles; 7 miles beyond my
    longest run), I was able to maintain very close to my estimated


    splits. >Then the last 7.5 miles were hiked only (pee considerations)
    and that >was slower than anticipated (24). Arrived at 38-mi trailhead
    at >12:48:12 just before the cutoff time for the 50/100 miles. I

    Quoted message said:

    accomplished what I wanted,

    Congrats, Dot, and looks like you had great fun doing it.
    That's more than I've ever hiked/run/whatever in a day.

    Heck, I think it's longer than we used to backpack in a week. And I
    think they suggest 3-5 days for backpacking the trail, but there's some
    good fishing lakes on the south side and USFS provides a canoe at the
    one cabin. We used to pack in about 2 days (maybe 15 miles), then camp
    for maybe a week - day hiking, fishing, climbing, whatever - then hike
    back out.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I told them that’s because I’m here. Last year Lost Lake had their
    first rainy race in 15 yrs – the year I did it. People aren’t going to
    want me in their races at this rate.

    Watch out, soon they'll be calling you "Torrent Dot" a la "Typhoid Mary."

    Quoted message said:

    I’ve also wondered if using Vaseline on legs (1) might have
    facilitated getting shorts up when wet or (2) helped with the
    stickiness of the rain pants on knees.

    Would it prevent the legs from breathing? I don't know, just asking.

    I'm not sure. I used to used it on my feet since they're so dry, but by
    the time I'm done, there's no sign of the vaseline. I believe some
    colleagues in Corvallis used to vaseline their hands for field work when
    hands used to get so saturated in the rain, but not sure how they
    avoided getting soil and litter on them.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Landscape Unit pacing: Charlie kids me about my pacing, so you’re
    going to have to endure a split table, Dot style.😉

    As long as no one picks on you for berry-picking such an easy race.

    Quoted message said:

    Gear: Gregory Iso pack worked really well for me. It has space for


    two >bladders – 1 for sports drink, 1 for Slimfast. My camera (Canon S410)

    You could switch to the Casio Exilim which is about 2 ounces lighter. 2
    ounces over 38 miles, let's see how many seconds per mile ....

    Yea, after all the weighing I did of gear and food, the funny thing was
    the 2 lb of water that got carried for 10 hrs unused. And I think I had
    over 2 lb of food left. That would definitely make a difference. At one
    time on my training runs, the pack was close to 15 lb, and I whittled it
    down from there, changing my water strategy a little.

    Apparently if I can carb load right and eat breakfast (pizza worked well
    cuz of more moisture in it compared with dry waffles), I don't need as
    much food. duh. But, like last year at Lost Lake where I didn't get the
    pre-race fueling right, I ate 2 powerbars in the first hour. My training
    runs I fueled ok before and the food in front pouches lasted me almost
    the whole 6-8 hrs. So I was kinda torn between the 2 extremes, but knew
    that I really didn't want to risk running out of calories on an
    adventure like this, esp. with the cool, wet weather. I will re-evaluate
    what's left in my pack and next year, I'll probably do some of my long
    runs without carb loading before. That's the problem with trying to
    train for a summer race - we only have a limited window with
    temperatures in the right vicinity, and I couldn't test both ways.

    In some respects, I may have lucked out with the weather, since I've had
    more experience in cooler temperatures and actually had a sense of
    been-there-done-that when the weather turned. We seldom get temps above
    70F, but since that system moved out, we've had a couple days that warm
    this past week. OTOH, that would have been a real learning experience
    for me. I have run in the warmer temps and was starting to adapt to it
    when the weather turned to our typical August rain.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for the very nice report, Dot. You should consider putting it up
    elsewhere too, like a blog or something. It has a lot of detailed
    information which someone might find useful.

    Thanks, jobs. Actually, the original version has a lot more on gear
    since some of the trials were rather comical. I did think about putting
    it on my website and then just posting that link in the several online
    groups I'm in, but I always mess up getting text stuff uploaded. The
    photos are "published" using ThumbsPlus, so that's easy. What I did was
    write an unabridged version for my own purposes, then have been
    tailoring it for each group, but apparently need to shorten it more.

    Quoted message said:


    Looks like you had lots of fun and excitement - beautiful scenery, bear
    scare, rains, what not. Fully recovered now?

    Yes, it was a great adventure. I always find "races" where I start from
    one trailhead and run/hike/crawl toward my car at the other end easier
    than doing out/back long runs. And having volunteered at this race in
    the past, I knew there was no retreating whence I came.

    Legs are still a little tired (like springs are sprung), but I didn't
    have the DOMS like I did for a couple of my long runs. I had some easy
    hiking for trail work that I had been putting off for recovery week. And
    did run about 10 min on those - enough to know to give the legs more
    time for recovery. I have gone for a couple short runs, but will stick
    mostly to hiking for another few days, at least. They say the endocrine
    system is what needs longer to recover from these kinds of things so
    I'll wait at least another week before lining out fall goals, depending
    upon how recovery goes.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  6. Charlie Pendejo said:
    Dot said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    ...and wrote a 60 page report on it. ;-p

    Actually, I think it was only 11 pages, 12 pt variable pitch font.😉
    yea, I know what happens when you go to fixed pitch.

    Quoted message said:


    Seriously, thanks for the lengthy writeup. I enjoyed it very much.

    Glad you enjoyed it. I had a blast and wanted to capture a lot of the
    thoughts for myself, so I enjoyed putting it together. Then pulled out
    the stuff for online groups. (I've only done this one so far. The others
    are going to have to wait another day or two.)

    Quoted message said:

    Figured you'd be hard at work on a pretty lengthy exposition,
    otherwise I'd've bugged you about "where's yr report" before now. And
    on the other hand I was relieved to see you'd posted once or twice to
    the group since race day, so we knew you hadn't become a grizzly
    snack.

    LOL. I'll have to admit your bear comment before I left came to mind
    when I heard whatever in the brush. Sometimes noises like that are made
    when a smaller animal hits something just right, but there seemed to be
    more volume to it.

    Quoted message said:


    And WOO-dlee-doo HOO!!! Huge congratulations! That's a serious
    achievement at the end of some long-term preparation, at the same time
    as it was plainly a helluva lotta fun!

    Thanks. I'll have to admit that the thought of what would happen on race
    day if I didn't get the miles in earlier was a *huge* motivator to get
    out there and run all winter.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://akrunning.blogspot.com/ (This guy set new course record. See his
    Aug 5 entry, in particular read is comment about weather in pass. Very
    similar to my Lost Lake experience last year.)

    Yes, I'd already read that (googling for the race just in case
    reportage had mentioned you had in fact been eaten by a bear and 'twas
    an impostor who'd posted under your name), and indeed my first thought
    was that he'd plagiarized your writeup from last year. :-)

    Actually, given how low key the race is, it's hard to find results
    sometimes. And the current RD doesn't have a web page for it. The one I
    posted is from the original RD. And I really wanted to get a good
    elevation profile since I was sure what he had posted was generalized.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    my needs are less than 10oz/hr. This means fewer water stops.

    Dot and lance: fraternal twins? ;-)


    hope not 😉

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  7. "Dot" wrote
    | OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Congratulations Dot!
    Wish I and most of the 'younger' guys here can do a 60K @ 60.
    Very elaborate and insightful race report, thanks for sharing.

  8. Dot said:
    jobs said:


    Doesn't the iodine taste get to you? I remember using it for
    backpacking a few times and it takes a couple of days just to get used
    to it.

    That's what the vitamin C is for. That worked really well. The first
    time I tested the iodine it turned my sports drink powder a really dark
    color - like the oil sludge from a car. I panicked and asked the
    developer about it, and he told me about the vitamin C trick, which I
    hadn't been aware of but did find many references to it later. (Thanks
    to Karl King for help with this.)

    Ah, I see. Didn't know that.

    jobs

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  9. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    I had a quick read through - nice thorough report Dot! Congrats - you
    finished your goal distance which is what it's all about when you go into a
    virgin ultra distance. I must have missed it, but I didn't see what the temp
    was. I actually cringed at thinking about running in all that gear - heavy
    bulky pack and rain pants! I can relate since I've run in cold weather with
    lots of gear in my pack.

    A possible suggestion: instead of wearing rain pants, wear thick nylon
    tights (of the winter biking variety) or two pairs of thinner ones. They
    function reasonably well when wet and are far less bulky. Also, instead of
    iodine, what about a filter bottle? I have a couple of those and they work
    great - dip it in the stream and drink straight away.

    -Tony

  10. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Wow!! Dot - great Birthday present you gave yourself!

    A tremendous accomplishment with thorough, meticulous planning.

    I loved those photos you took.

    Coincidentally I'm planning on running a trail ultra next March -
    60km to celebrate 60 years (I'll be 46, but it's the 60th anniversary
    of our independence...)

    Anthony.

  11. I2Run said:

    "Dot" wrote
    | OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Congratulations Dot!
    Wish I and most of the 'younger' guys here can do a 60K @ 60.
    Very elaborate and insightful race report, thanks for sharing.

    Thanks, I2Run. I enjoyed both the run and putting some of these thoughts
    together.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  12. Tony S. said:

    "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    I had a quick read through - nice thorough report Dot! Congrats - you
    finished your goal distance which is what it's all about when you go into a
    virgin ultra distance.

    Thanks.

    I must have missed it, but I didn't see what the temp

    Quoted message said:

    was.

    I'm guessing low 50s (maybe high 40s) with 90+% humidity. I was
    comfortable in shorts and short-sleeve t-shirt at start. The weather
    stations used for Cooper Landing (Seward) and Hope (Anchorage) could be
    very different from those sites but were in low to mid 50s.

    It sounded like it rained pretty good on the mountain race held outside
    Palmer that day, and at 6000+ft they were getting sleet. Our race had
    comparatively mild conditions.

    Quoted message said:

    I actually cringed at thinking about running in all that gear - heavy
    bulky pack and rain pants! I can relate since I've run in cold weather with
    lots of gear in my pack.

    If the pants weren't sticky, they wouldn't have been bad. I use
    windpants a lot in winter and have used the rainpants over sporthills,
    but they slide under those conditions.

    Quoted message said:


    A possible suggestion: instead of wearing rain pants, wear thick nylon
    tights (of the winter biking variety) or two pairs of thinner ones. They
    function reasonably well when wet and are far less bulky.

    I think they would be too hot. At one time, I considered long CW-X
    tights since they're light, but unless you're continuously in those
    cooler temps, they'd be miserable, I think. The benefit of rain pants -
    with full zips for ventilation - is they can go off or on easily. I
    asked several runners last fall what they used and most seemed to agree
    to either go bare legged or something that can easily go on/off over
    muddy shoes.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, instead of
    iodine, what about a filter bottle? I have a couple of those and they work
    great - dip it in the stream and drink straight away.

    When they were forecasting possibly heavy rains, I started thinking
    about the possibility of muddy water, which would be a problem with the
    iodine approach. I did find a filter bottle at local outdoor store - in
    case of dire emergency. I wasn't impressed by it, and took a lot of
    effort to use. It maybe wasn't the best kind. But I also noticed in that
    article that Doug posted the other day, looking at Laura drinking from
    her bottle, it looks like she's using two hands, which is what I was
    finding. Some people do use them though and they may be easier to use
    than the older ones. I know another person I asked about water said she
    uses a filter bottle with "straw".

    Also, if I'm using sports drink, I'm not sure how a filter would work.

    I considered a steripen, but they take 1 min for a small bottle, and I
    didn't want to spend that much time treating water. There is another
    brand that has the light thingy attached to the lid so you can screw the
    top on the bottle and let the light do its thing while you run. I just
    felt more comfortable with the iodine.

    Up til now, I've used sports drink in bladder since that's easiest for
    me. However, I did notice in training that I was more likely to eat and
    drink while walking than trying to drink while running. In that case, a
    bottle would work. If I could find a pack that had ready access to water
    bottle(s), I might consider a different approach next year - maybe
    sports drink in bladder and resupply bottle with water, but then needing
    to be sure to get calories from food.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  13. Anthony said:

    "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Wow!! Dot - great Birthday present you gave yourself!

    A tremendous accomplishment with thorough, meticulous planning.

    I loved those photos you took.

    Thanks, Anthony.

    Quoted message said:


    Coincidentally I'm planning on running a trail ultra next March -
    60km to celebrate 60 years (I'll be 46, but it's the 60th anniversary
    of our independence...)

    Hey, good luck and have a great celebration. Is there a web site for
    that race? I know you mentioned it before, but I don't remember a web site.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  14. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Anthony said:

    Coincidentally I'm planning on running a trail ultra next March -
    60km to celebrate 60 years (I'll be 46, but it's the 60th anniversary
    of our independence...)

    Hey, good luck and have a great celebration. Is there a web site for that
    race? I know you mentioned it before, but I don't remember a web site.

    There's a website, but it doesn't have much information yet,
    and most of it is in Hebrew... Just says that they're planning
    15k and 30k options besides the 60k, and that you have to
    carry and worry about your own food and water...

    Last year they had an approximately 53km course with about
    4,500 ' of climb. You can see some photos of last
    year's race if you click on the link, above where it says
    The PRO:Sport Challenge 2007 on the left-hand side.

    http://www.pro-sport.co.il/english.php

    Anthony.

  15. Hey Dot,

    Great run! You've got me now, my longest in the last year is only 50k.

    I tell you what, you take the bears and I'll take the hot weather, ok?

    Re having to pee so much (and you surely have the record for a single report
    ;-), I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the kidney's role in salt
    balance. Did you take any salt during your day-long effort? Or did you
    take too much?

    In cool weather on a 3 hour run, I've had to go 5 or 6 times when I've been
    taking salt. I assume it's because I've been over-hydrating. If you take
    salt and you overhydrate I believe you'll [censored] the excess water out,
    something that doesn't happen when your salt gets too low.

    -- Dan

  16. "D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Hey Dot,

    Great run! You've got me now, my longest in the last year is only 50k.

    I tell you what, you take the bears and I'll take the hot weather, ok?

    Re having to pee so much (and you surely have the record for a single
    report ;-), I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the kidney's role in
    salt balance. Did you take any salt during your day-long effort? Or did
    you take too much?

    In cool weather on a 3 hour run, I've had to go 5 or 6 times when I've
    been taking salt. I assume it's because I've been over-hydrating. If you
    take salt and you overhydrate I believe you'll [censored] the excess water out,
    something that doesn't happen when your salt gets too low.

    While that can be true, the motto 'know thyself' applies. For some people,
    excess salt can lead to bloating, weight gain, and perhaps hyponatremia,
    which is often more associated with water intake sans salts.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    -- Dan

  17. Tony S. said:

    "D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Dot,

    Great run! You've got me now, my longest in the last year is only 50k.

    I tell you what, you take the bears and I'll take the hot weather, ok?

    Re having to pee so much (and you surely have the record for a single
    report ;-), I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the kidney's role in
    salt balance. Did you take any salt during your day-long effort? Or did
    you take too much?

    In cool weather on a 3 hour run, I've had to go 5 or 6 times when I've
    been taking salt. I assume it's because I've been over-hydrating. If you
    take salt and you overhydrate I believe you'll [censored] the excess water out,
    something that doesn't happen when your salt gets too low.

    While that can be true, the motto 'know thyself' applies. For some people,
    excess salt can lead to bloating, weight gain, and perhaps hyponatremia,
    which is often more associated with water intake sans salts.

    Right. That's my understanding of the processes.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  18. BIG Congrats, Dot!! I don't remember who said it, but I agree that
    I'd take the heat over bears any day! That was quite a great read,
    too, with all the pictures and all. Looks just gorgeous! Hope your
    recovery is going well. Don't do what I did and think I was fine
    and start too soon, too hard, and get injured. Thanks for the
    great post and again, big congratulations for running that!

    Teresa in AZ (here, hot but bearless!)

    Dot said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    Finally, looong, just like my adventure.😉 But it’s arranged by chapters
    with the most relevant stuff to this group first. And, yes, this has
    pictures and maps (links are down a little ways).

    How did I get interested in wanting to go running for hours through the
    woods and above treeline? Shortly after completing my first race (a
    winter tri in Dec 2001 that was the only race with a running component
    that I could do between field seasons – yes, that was in Alaska at +1F,
    but swim leg was in pool), Doug whispered the idea of an ultra in my
    ear. I can “blame” him.😉 Seriously, I thank Doug for introducing me to
    such fun and challenge. When I started getting into more structured
    running, I just wanted to run “a little more” with no real goal other
    than stress relief in mind. Sooo, be careful what you whisper in
    impressionable kids’ ears.

    The ultra options in mainland Alaska are fairly limited, and any summer
    races would have to wait until I retired in June 2005. But I needed the
    time anyway to build base and get some muscle weaknesses / imbalances at
    least partly straightened out. I volunteered at the Resurrection Pass
    Trail 50/100 race in 2005 and 2006. The 100 miler starts at the Hope end
    at 3pm on Friday and goes to the Cooper Landing end then reverses
    direction. 50-milers start at 6am on Saturday, and official finishers
    need to be done by 7pm Saturday (13 hrs for 50 milers, 28 hrs for 100
    milers). There are aid stations / drop bags where the trail hits the
    road (mile 38 for 50 milers; miles 12, 50, 88 for the 100 milers).
    http://www.alaska.net/~develice/respass.html
    http://www.pbase.com/rnicholl/respass100

    After Lost Lake (15.5 mi) went comparatively well last year and at the
    Lost Lake raffle I won a free night’s lodging at a luxury lodge near
    start of this race. It just seemed like an sign that 2007 was the year
    to try Resurrection Pass - at least the trail portion. And that
    conveniently was about 60k so it made a nice goal for the year I turned
    60. No more putting it off. <gulp> Preparing for it reminded me of my
    1st race – the winter tri where I had to spend so much time figuring
    gear out for winter biking – and my backpacking days. Even doing 38 mi
    was a jump up of about 2.5 times over my next longest “race”, and
    there’s no way I was going to be able to do 50 mi in 13 hrs, the cutoff
    for the 50 mi race. Over the years, a number of people have opted to
    just do the 38 mi of trail and accept a DNF on the 50, which included 12
    mi of gravel road beyond the trailhead.

    Executive Summary: Somewhat like last year’s Lost Lake, especially the
    weather, but succeeded in main goals and a reasonable recovery. I had a
    blast. I hadn’t scoped out course ahead of time, so it was truly an
    adventure and I sometimes felt like a kid on Christmas morning.

    Resurrection Pass Trail background

    Resurrection Pass trail is the northern part of the historic route
    (Resurrection Trail) miners used to use to get from the port of Seward
    on Resurrection Bay to the Hope mining district in the early 1900s.
    There’s some interesting mining remnants at the Hope end where the
    stream channel has been restored to encourage salmon spawning. The trail
    is currently maintained by the USFS and has a series of 8 fee cabins for
    people hiking the whole trail, maybe 4-5 day trip. There’s also a number
    of designated campgrounds with “bearproof” food containers. It’s
    “heavily” used by hikers and mountain bikers, although I think I only
    saw about 4 mtn bikers and maybe 15 hikers in my adventure. The Cooper
    Landing end of it starts just across the road from the Kenai River /
    Russian River confluence, famous for its salmon, combat fishing, and, of
    course, bears that like fishing also.
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/chugach/seward/rec/trails/res_pass_s.htm
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/chugach/seward/rec/trails/res_pass_n.htm

    My Goals
    1. Make it to the starting line. - yep
    2. Do the 60k of the Resurrection Pass Trail between the two trailheads
    – the only road intersections. - yep
    3. Have fun. – yep yep
    4. Don’t be eaten by real bear. – still here although still wondering
    about sounds in brush
    5. Don’t be eaten by figurative bear. – reached trailhead without
    meltdown, although almost dissolved
    6. Consider completing the 50-mi course of the RP race being held the
    same day IF I thought I could complete it safely even outside their
    cutoff times. - No. I opted to live to run another day rather than
    risking overuse injury of hip flexors and other core area stuff where
    I’ve had problems before. I may run slow and seem mentally slow
    sometimes, but I do tend to learn and be conservative.

    Picture, maps, clippings
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/RP2007Maps/index.html (maps, satellite
    images, profiles, etc)
    http://home.att.net/%7Eakrunning/ResPass2007/index.html (pics this year)
    http://www.adn.com/sports/story/9198149p-9114556c.html (this year)
    http://www.pbase.com/rnicholl/respass100 (pics in sun a few years ago)
    http://akrunning.blogspot.com/ (This guy set new course record. See his
    Aug 5 entry, in particular read is comment about weather in pass. Very
    similar to my Lost Lake experience last year.)

    Mental perspective
    When you look at a satellite image or map (see map link above) of the
    Resurrection Pass National Recreation Trail, it’s an awesome run up one
    river valley over a pass and down another. Classic. A route just begging
    to be run / hiked / crawled by someone who wanted to run / hike for many
    hours through the woods and above tree line. Lack of roads also means,
    there’s no aid stations, no safety patrol, no sag wagons. You’re
    dependent on yourself to get to the next trailhead. If we’d had a
    convenient 50k or even 50mi on 10-mi loops, I would have used something
    like that as an introduction to longer distances. But that wasn’t an
    option other than as training runs. So this was a huge leap for me – not
    just in distance but logistics since I’d have to treat water along the
    way and carry more gear than normal. A new challenge.

    I planned things conservatively – a reasonable compromise between what’s
    likely to happen and trying to keep gear light. One guideline I really
    like when developing strategies is that presented by the RD of the
    Iditarod Trail Invitational (a member of one of my trail clubs): if you
    have any doubt as to your ability to keep moving, drinking, and eating,
    take more gear. Running low on calories can get you in a real downward
    spiral with hypothermia.

    The Adventure
    Weather had been forecast to be rainy, and the clouds moving in could be
    clearly seen on radar for the previous couple days. The night before the
    clouds were building ominously, but the morning was dry and overcast. I
    had cold vegetarian pizza the night before and for breakfast, which
    worked really well (tested in training). Pre-race briefing was about
    5:55am (Fig. 1) when Jeff Bannish let us know that he had marked the
    critical turns for us last night when he came through with the 100
    milers. Thanks, Jeff. We at least got started on dry trails. This was
    actually significant in the 3 course records set since the 100 milers
    had started the day before – cool, dry conditions - and the 50-mile
    winner was finishing about the time the weather deteriorated, about when
    I hit the pass.

    First part of trail had been brushed in the last couple days, which was
    nice since vegetation had been pretty aggressive on many trails this
    summer. Hmmm, this brushed area didn’t last that long. This could be a
    long day running / hiking alone in tall veggies. Between pack weight, 4
    mi climb (but only 800 ft), and early hour of the day, I had planned on
    hiking the first hill. I was actually able to run more of it than I
    thought. (Most of my local hills are in the 20-30% range, then 10% when
    I start doing the gravel roads during breakup. So I had worked more on
    hiking the hills with pack than actually running them. I’ll change this
    next year.)

    Then comes *first* bear scat pile, but pretty small. Less than 30 sec
    later, I hear something big in brush. Gee, what’s that spike on hrm that
    I noticed later. Reached for bear spray and took safety off, but never
    saw what made noise – but I was looking behind me for awhile and not
    giving impression of running away. I saw several larger piles in the
    pass (vegetarian bears), but never any prints.

    I proceeded onward and eventually heard Juneau falls in the canyon
    below. Shortly after that I come to bridge crossing – about 10 min
    before my time estimate. Filled 32oz water bottle, added iodine, and was
    on my way. After the falls, it’s flat, with just enough texture to keep
    from repetitiveness. The trail is also wider in through here (Fig. 3),
    I’ve relaxed a little more regarding bears, and there’s some more
    scenery. This is like really cool fun, more so than I thought it would be.

    I hit the three cabins (Trout Lake then Romig and Juneau Lake) (Fig. 4)
    just about right on schedule (see splits at end), then stopped at far
    end of Juneau Lake for water swap as planned. By this time the clouds
    are spitting and the wind is picking up a little bit, so I also put on
    my Chinook shell – windproof, not breathable, water resistant, but it’s
    so light that it dries out pretty quickly if the rain stops.

    I proceeded onward run / walking toward Swan Lake and scenery started
    getting more interesting with some interesting rock deposits (Fig. 6).
    Arrived at the turn to head up to Devil’s Pass and started climbing
    again (Fig. 7-9). I had been warned about robust veggies in here and
    eventually reached the tall stuff. You could see there should be
    scenery, but the veggies were just tall enough to prevent a good view.
    Occasionally there would be a break. Then I could see Swan Lake tucked
    in its valley (7) and eventually got high enough to see Juneau Lake (8)
    and the wetlands above it.

    Eventually the climb tapered out (maybe 1000ft in 4mi), and the veggies
    got smaller and the scenery opened up. Very definitely having lots of
    fun now since I really love alpine areas, although prefer them a little
    higher with the real short vegetation – the stuff that’s too short for
    bears to hide behind. It was kinda like Christmas morning with lots of
    neat views as I got in the pass area.

    The light rain was reminding me somewhat of Lost Lake last year. Then
    the wind picked up a little and the rain increased a bit. Hmm, this is
    just like Lost Lake last year. Legs start getting a little cold. How far
    to trees? Too far. This was the mistake I made last year when my legs
    got cold and lost agility. Time to put rain gear on – the water proof,
    nonbreathable stuff with vents and hood. And a robust resin birch shrub
    appeared on the windward side of the trail just about then. Perfect
    place to drop pack and put rain gear on. I was still a little chilly
    after getting stuff on so pulled up the hood for about 10 min. Worked
    great. Anyway, I kinda laughed at the weather, enjoyed the scenery, was
    thankful I had brought the good rain gear and worn the drainable shoes
    that had performed so admirably at Lost Lake last year. Also in weather
    like this, I think my body absorbs moisture from the air, as I was
    definitely peeing out more than I drank. This is the weather when I know
    my needs are less than 10oz/hr. This means fewer water stops. However,
    increased pee breaks took about the same time the water stops would have
    taken – and longer when everything started getting sticky wet later.

    I passed a group of about half a dozen kids (maybe boy scouts and
    leaders) who were backpacking. I think I was definitely having more fun
    than what some of the kids looked like. I was walking at the time I
    passed them, but one of the adults asked if I was one of the 100-mi
    runners. No, I assured her I was only a pseudo-38-mile runner/hiker, but
    I thought it was curious that she thought I was a runner and not a
    hiker. It occurred to me later after seeing all the hikers with large
    external frame packs and I only had a light day pack about 19 miles from
    either trail head, that that must have been a give away – certainly
    wasn’t my speed.

    I passed Devil’s Cabin (Fig.13-14) and proceeded toward Resurrection
    Pass, reaching it just about right on schedule for individual splits. I
    started the gentle downhill, knowing that soon I’d be out of my beloved
    alpine surroundings. The downhill is fairly gentle high above
    Resurrection Creek. When streams come in from the right side, the trail
    contours around them and drops downhill more steeply (maybe 10%) into
    those incised valleys for the crossings and comes back up again. Of
    course with the extra pee breaks I was needing, the rain, the downhill,
    and the roaring side streams, lets just say we needed lots of extra pee
    breaks. Some days are like that. I think the rain pants slightly
    sticking to knees may have altered my gait a little so the downhills
    were not graceful. Of course wearing CW-X shorts didn’t help matters
    with the pee breaks and rain, but we rarely have weather warm enough for
    cold-blooded me to wear loose shorts. I did discover that power hiking
    plus some peeing was faster than running / hiking plus lots more peeing.
    And I think every experienced ultra runner has suggested practicing
    walking - either for the hills or tired legs at end, although they never
    mentioned avoiding extra pee breaks.😉

    Surprisingly, up to the last cabin (about 30 miles; 7 miles beyond my
    longest run), I was able to maintain very close to my estimated splits.
    Then the last 7.5 miles were hiked only (pee considerations) and that
    was slower than anticipated (24). Arrived at 38-mi trailhead at 12:48:12
    just before the cutoff time for the 50/100 miles. I accomplished what I
    wanted, but it's a DNF at 50 mi. At one time, I had considered
    continuing unofficially on the road portion, but given the hour, the
    weather, the forecast weather, and a number of signals my body had been
    sending me for the last couple hours, I decided to end the day on a
    pleasant note, drive home in light traffic, get a hot shower, sleep in
    my warm bed, and have a reasonably quick recovery. (The alternative was
    continuing on another 4-5 hrs at the rate I was going on non-scenic
    gravel roads and sleeping in my car, possibly risking overuse injury and
    a much longer recovery.) Summer is short. Quick recovery means I could
    still do more running this summer vs spending it recovering. I
    accomplished my primary goal and opted to live to run another day.

    One of the volunteers was still waiting at the trailhead for me,
    apparently not realizing that I had my car shuttled to the trailhead
    rather than the finish line - expecting to take about 12.5-13 hrs. We
    drove to the finish line, and there was still some bar-b-que beef
    sandwiches which went down well. Thanks to RD’s Pat Munz and Pam Richter
    for putting on a wonderful race again and to Jeff Bannish for marking
    the significant intersections when he came through with the 100-mi
    runners the night before. They did say this was probably the worst
    weather they’ve ever had for the race. I told them that’s because I’m
    here. Last year Lost Lake had their first rainy race in 15 yrs – the
    year I did it. People aren’t going to want me in their races at this rate.

    What would I do differently in the race: Take more pictures of trail
    conditions – excellent illustrations of benefits if you outslope a trail
    vs having it incised.
    I’ve also wondered if using Vaseline on legs (1) might have facilitated
    getting shorts up when wet or (2) helped with the stickiness of the rain
    pants on knees.

    What would I do differently before the race that could be done
    differently: Train running downhill in full raingear with wet legs and
    pack on wet trail.😉 Hazards of short summer season and not having much
    rain in early part.😉 Obviously with more time, I could have built a
    larger base, more long runs, more intensity, etc, but given my recovery
    rates, where I was, my knowledge or lack thereof of the course, etc, I
    don’t think I could have built much more this year safely. At 60, if you
    go over the injury line, it takes much longer to heal. And considering 5
    yrs ago, my GP suggested I give up running because of my Achilles issues
    and 4 yrs ago I overdid some stuff with hip flexors that took 1-2 yr to
    recover from, I was happy with setting an achievable goal, but one that
    I had to work harder than normal for. I was definitely challenging my
    body this year.

    Going forward, I would probably do some things differently, but exactly
    what will depend on snow and breakup conditions.

    Training
    (I’m including the Training and Schedule sections just cuz it’s come up
    here in discussions and I know some others are heading that direction)
    This pretty much followed my past approach: go with the flow. I
    periodize based on seasons (weather, not racing) and transition from
    general (Oct-Dec) to specific (Apr-Jun). I do the best I can with snow
    conditions and see what comes out the end in May-June (breakup may close
    some trails from mid April to mid to late May). By general, I mean I’ll
    do my xt class early in base and may xc ski for one of my runs or in
    addition to runs up through January. But by March I’m not likely to ski
    rather than run as I try to become more specific.

    Most of the running year, starting last November, I ran (or did
    “something”) 2 on / 1 off with some minor variations. Sometimes it was
    run, sometimes my xt class, sometimes xc skiing. This increased
    frequency gave me some flexibility to avoid the worst weather (no -20F
    or 70mph winds on long runs, but did some in the 0-10F range or 40mph
    winds) or dealing with slower recovery than expected. If I couldn’t hit
    a workout on the 1st of the two runs, I’d just do it easy, then come
    back the next day with something a little harder – or whatever worked –
    or maybe not until the next pair of running days. Or I might do 3 in a
    row, off, single day. While it did provide flexibility through much of
    the winter, I found I was usually struggling with recovery and wondering
    if I was sacrificing quality or quantity for frequency. But I figured at
    some point, I would probably adapt to it. I think I was finally starting
    to adapt just before taper, but still felt like I was juggling things to
    accommodate the frequency.

    Schedule
    In an earlier thread about long runs, Doug and TrailRunner seemed to
    agree that a few runs in the 7-8 hr range were what I should build my
    long runs up to – and those runs spread over a few months. And that
    advice was right on – I just wasn’t able to quite get to that level.
    Typically the longest long run is about 5 wks before race and last long
    run 3 wks out. Counting back from Aug 4, that makes June 30, the longest
    long run. I’ve found the gravel roads in the Hatcher Pass area form the
    best gradients to mimic the race course – long, gentle climbs (<5%).
    They were plowing snow from one of my roads on June 12. duh. Exactly one
    of my long runs was run in weather warm enough for shorts, and I was in
    snow at least part of my runs up until the one 3 wks out. Specificity is
    an issue.

    Count back 3 months from this for the 3 longest runs = early April. We
    usually are either at end of snow at lower elevations or into breakup.
    Obviously, the mountains (with my more gentle slopes of gravel roads)
    are still covered later. That leaves Oct to Jan to start rebuilding and
    Jan-Mar for serious building to the long runs. That means the bulk of
    base building is on snow. Trails in the mountains usually aren’t
    available (past breakup) until late June / early July, which is
    basically in the 5 weeks after longest run. I have yet to see any
    schedule that can accommodate these conditions.

    I liked Trailrunner’s approach of the 4-hr back-to-back runs since that
    meant I didn’t need to worry about long runs and frozen water for more
    than 4 hr in Feb. His suggestion was to do long runs every 2 wks,
    alternating the single long run (7-8 hrs) with b2b (4hr/4hr with the 2nd
    day being walking, with running if the body allowed). Because of the
    soft snow and colder than normal temperatures earlier in winter, I
    hadn’t made much progress on the long runs until middle of February –
    after a weather meltdown and sudden packing of the loose snow. I worked
    on building from 4hr / 2 hr to approaching 5hr/3hr then when I had
    snow-free terrain on gravel roads in mid-April, I started just expanding
    the long run, since I felt that had the biggest payback for me. With
    b2b, DOMS was more of an issue than energy depletion – at least for me
    and the intensity at which I could do them. My weakness seemed to be
    more along the lines of keeping the body working continuously, since hip
    flexors still had some problems after many hours. While the b2b could be
    done more intensely (theoretically), I found that to work on my
    weaknesses and start dealing with gear issues (hard to train with summer
    gear in the snow), it seemed better to just focus on the one long run.
    Because of getting gear together, driving to trail head, etc, it seemed
    a better use of training time. I was only able to get 2 of the 7-8 hr
    runs in, and usually I do much better on the 3rd of whatever. Oh, well.
    I did have 3 in the 6-6.5 hr range.

    Because of the lack of specificity on snow and during breakup, I just
    tried to get my long run in every 2 wks. Then when I had terra firma to
    train on, I moved it out to 2.5 wks. That provided the opportunity to do
    some more quality workouts between the long runs, including intermediate
    length run of 3ish hours with pack. All long runs were done with a pack,
    and the last 3 of the longest runs were all done with pack setup close
    to what I’d use, including the dual bladder and water swapping setup.
    The experiments to get something that worked for me were amusing to say
    the least as I sometimes got tangled in tubes or straps. This is why we
    do long runs.

    I do recognize the value of the alternating b2b and single long run that
    Trailrunner suggested. I just couldn’t pull it off. And even in the
    future, I may be better following a pattern like this year (b2b on snow
    in freezing temperatures, then single long run when on dirt / gravel),
    since it meshes with the weather and trail conditions better. I’d
    definitely consider some single runs with pack in the 3-4 hr range,
    which I only had one of this year.

    Here’s my long runs in approximate hours:
    2/17 4:01 + 2:19 hike next day
    3/03 4:25 + 1:44 hike next day
    3/15 4:43 gusts to 40mph + 3:21 hike next day in a less windy place
    3/30 2:53 snowshoe “long” run/hike + 1:51 hike next day
    4/12 3:11 run + 2:01 hike=5:10 1st non-snow run, gravel road, starting
    big hills (1000+ft)
    4/25 5:54 big hills
    5/12 4:27 long run/hike after 1:42 race = 6 hrs total
    5/27 6:29 flattish (couldn’t get to hill I wanted)
    6/12 7:24 big hills
    6/23 3:14 intermediate length with a little more vigor
    6/28 7:44 longest long run, big hills
    7/12 4:08 last long run
    8/04 12:48 adventure

    I did struggle with the longest runs, but some of that resulted from
    running uphill with heavier pack than normal. I seriously questioned
    whether I had bitten off too much for this year, but Doug politely
    ignored the question, which I took as a response to just keep plugging
    and I’d adapt if I did it enough times. FWIW, DOMS after a couple of my
    long runs was much more severe than after my actual adventure. Duh.
    Maybe that’s why we do these things.

    General volume (run, power hike) averaged about 6-8 hr in non-long run
    weeks, 11-12 hr in long-run weeks. On a 4-wk basis for the 12 wks prior
    to taper, I averaged about 37-38 hr, 120 miles, 11,000 ft. (9.5 hr, 30
    mi, 2750ft). Since I usually use something like 2-2.5 wks for
    microcycle, weekly totals don’t have much meaning as you can see from
    the variation.

    Landscape Unit pacing: Charlie kids me about my pacing, so you’re going
    to have to endure a split table, Dot style.😉 I run by effort and am
    truly clueless about what pace (min/mi) I’m running while I’m actually
    running it. But I was able to simulate enough landscape units of the
    race (e.g. 4.5 mi, 1000ft climb or flat or whatever), that I used them
    as approximate guesstimates of when I thought I’d get to certain
    landmarks. This was primarily for guidelines and fluid/fuel strategies –
    and also to keep myself moving if I was taking too many pictures. 😉

    I did most of my long runs on gravel roads (some old mining roads,
    washed out in places, as well as regular gravel roads). I recognized the
    trail conditions would be different (single track, maybe overgrown, but
    probably smoother footing), but I was hoping the differences would be a
    wash. I do take pictures on my long runs also, so there was no reason to
    suspect much different pace during race. Since the trail has 8 cabins
    spaced along it, I used them as well-defined landmarks. I know they say
    to just relax and enjoy your race / adventure, but knowing how slow I
    am, I felt some goal estimates within the race would encourage me to
    keep moving if I was slow (like stop taking so many pictures) or keep me
    from panicking if I was keeping up with them (ok to take advantage of
    some photo ops). I also needed time estimates to get an approximate idea
    on hydrating and fueling. I ended up hitting my estimates within a
    minute or two at all the cabins or other landmarks except the final
    parking lot, and I think my goal there had been too aggressive, plus
    that’s the last section where I was slowed by the peeing and sticky
    shorts cuz the rain had everything so wet by then. I think my body was
    absorbing the rain rather than sweating. The distances come from a trail
    guide book. The trail has a cutoff that’s more direct between Swan Lake
    and Devil’s Pass, so those two actual splits don’t actually correspond
    to the planned route, but, hey, I took the time savings.😉

    Goal Goal Actual Actual
    Mi Mi Hrs Hrs Elapsed Split
    Strt Splt Strt Splt
    Juneau Creek Falls * 4.0 4.0 1.5 1.5 01:18:18 1.30
    Bean CreekTrail Jcn 4.5 0.5 1.6 0.1 01:27:44 0.15
    Trout Lake Cabin 7.3 2.8 2.3 0.7 02:09:59 0.70
    Romig Cabin, Juneau Lk 8.8 1.5 2.8 0.5 02:39:59 0.50
    Juneau Lake Cabin * 9.3 0.5 3.0 0.2 02:48:12 0.14
    Swan Lake Cabin 13.0 3.8 4.5 1.5 03:48:58 1.00
    Devils Pass Cabin 16.8 3.8 6.0 1.5 05:32:16 1.72
    Resurrection Pass 18.5 1.8 6.7 0.7 06:14:55 0.71
    East Creek Cabin 23.3 4.8 8.1 1.4 07:35:54 1.35
    Fox Creek Cabin 26.3 3.0 9.0 0.9 08:33:21 0.96
    Caribou Creek Cabin 31.3 5.0 10.3 1.3 09:53:47 1.34
    Hope trail head 38.5 7.3 12.5 2.2 12:48:12 2.91

    Fluid / electrolyte / fuel strategy: I made up baggies of sports drink
    4:1 Clip2:Ultra + vitamin C (negate iodine) for 32 oz servings ahead of
    time so all I had to do was dump one baggie plus treated water in
    bladder, bleed air, and stick in back in pack. I’ve also liked SlimFast
    for a non-fruity taste, and a more basic drink – heck, I like chocolate
    milkshakes.

    I started with 45oz of Clip/Ultra in the one bladder (mixed night
    before), 22 oz of chocolate Slimfast in the other (frozen in the bladder
    a couple days before and kept in cooler), and empty 32-oz scooper /
    iodine treating bottle. At 1.3 hr in at top of first climb, I filled the
    32-oz bottle and added iodine. The plan was about every 2 hr after that
    to have a pit stop where I added the powdered mix to the bladder
    followed by the treated water, then refill the 32-oz bottle and get the
    next batch of iodine going. However, because of the weather and all the
    peeing (certainly not planned), I only did a complete water stop once –
    and that 2lb of treated water was carried for almost 10 hrs unused
    (about hr 3 to hr 12.8). And I only used about 8 oz of Slimfast,
    although I wonder if that might have stayed in better than the sports
    drink.

    Here’s a table of amounts of what I used (or at least what I
    remembered). Somebody here has to balance Dan’s sweat rate.😉 This is
    for about 13 hrs of running/hiking.

    Servings cal carb g Na mg K mg
    3 wheat thins 390 60 750 0
    1 Clif bar 250 44 110 220
    4 Clif shot bloks 400 96 280 80
    2 Raisinets 400 66 30 0
    2 Succeed caps 0 0 682 42

    3 Sports drink 450 105 528 44
    0.7 Slimfast 160 29 160 436

    Total 2050 400 2540 822
    Per hour 158 31 195 63

    68 oz fluids used
    5.2 oz/hr fluids

    Wheat thins almost always tasted salty.

    Shoes: Brooks Trespass since they proved last year that they drain well
    in the rain. I did test their Adrenaline ASR in the rain one day before
    the race, and they absorbed so much water, they weren’t an option. (I
    still have one more unused pair of Trespasses that were discontinued
    several years ago.)

    Gear: Gregory Iso pack worked really well for me. It has space for two
    bladders – 1 for sports drink, 1 for Slimfast. My camera (Canon S410)
    went in left belt pouch, and some food, like Clif bar and shot bloks in
    the other. I used a Golite Team Pouch and CamelBak CommPak shoulder
    strap pocket for more food. Between all the pockets, I could carry food
    for about 3-hr (as it turned out almost 13 hrs) without having to remove
    pack. So the plan was to stop about every 2-3 hrs, do the fluid swaps,
    grab packet of food or anything else from pack then continue on another
    couple hours. I had the swaps down to about 5-6 min (early attempts were
    comical at about 10 min and getting tangled with tubes and straps).

    Bears: Yea, I took bear spray with me, but depended on me making noise.
    This is why you use the talk test when running. 😉

    I really had a lot of fun and looking forward to next year when,
    hopefully, I'll be better prepared. Having been on the course once, I'll
    have a better idea how to train.

    Dot

  19. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    BIG Congrats, Dot!! I don't remember who said it, but I agree that
    I'd take the heat over bears any day! That was quite a great read,
    too, with all the pictures and all. Looks just gorgeous! Hope your
    recovery is going well. Don't do what I did and think I was fine
    and start too soon, too hard, and get injured. Thanks for the
    great post and again, big congratulations for running that!

    Teresa in AZ (here, hot but bearless!)

    Thanks, Teresa. Fortunately, I didn't see any tracks, let alone fresh
    tracks, but not sure if that was because the trail was hard near the
    start and possibly so mushy toward the end or whether there really
    hadn't been any bears on the trail.

    One of the benefits of a group like r.r is seeing how long "true"
    recovery takes by seeing misadventures of others. I had deliberately put
    off some trail work until after the race figuring it would be a good way
    to actively recover - easy walking then upper body work. I think I
    inserted maybe 10-15 min of running a couple of those days, and body
    said, yep, no DOMS, but not ready to run again yet. I think I did a
    couple days of easy 3 mi late last week, then casually hiked up my
    hill-repeat hill yesterday - and sat and enjoyed the view in hot, dry
    sunshine with no wind. I couldn't help but think of the times I'd been
    up there in the snow and 30-40 mph winds, then doing it a second time
    that day.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  20. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    OR: 60k the year I turn 60

    Where: Cooper Landing to Hope trailheads on the Resurrection Pass trail
    About 38 mi, 3500 ft of up plus accompanying down.
    When: August 4, 2007

    Finally, looong, just like my adventure.😉 But it’s arranged by chapters
    with the most relevant stuff to this group first. And, yes, this has
    pictures and maps (links are down a little ways).

    How did I get interested in wanting to go running for hours through the
    woods and above treeline? Shortly after completing my first race (a winter
    tri in Dec 2001 that was the only race with a running component that I
    could do between field seasons – yes, that was in Alaska at +1F, but swim
    leg was in pool), Doug whispered the idea of an ultra in my ear. I can
    “blame” him.😉

    He is the Devil in disguise. 🙂

    Congratulations on the accomplishment and the report.
    It looks beautiful there, having to worry about larger predators would be
    probably be too unnerving for me to run the trails there.
    The biggest danger on the trails where I run are ticks and the accompanying
    danger of Lyme disease.

    PR

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