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  1. Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very rocky,
    rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short cliff-like
    sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200 odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news is
    I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed very
    little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Last year, when it was hotter but the trail was mostly dry, I was 50th place
    (4:10:55), so I slipped a little in the placings this year and of course ran
    slower. The bottom line is that I was going for 4 hours, went out too hard
    for the conditions and then tried to survive. I achieved that to some
    extent, but I sure don't like getting passed toward the end!

    How it happened:

    I felt fit and fairly well rested, though not entirely sure of my condition
    since my life's been a bit chaotic this year leading up to the race. In any
    case I was ready to go for it, and that meant lining up about where I did
    last year - before the bulk of the people, but not right at the front. Since
    the race starts out with a 3 mile 1700+ foot climb, you don't want to go too
    hard in order to save something for later in the race, but you also don't
    want to get stuck behind too many people to pass later on the narrow
    single-track trail.

    The race consists of 3 major climbs, and 5-6 descents broken up by rolling
    terrain, and my goal this year was to do the first ½ of the race about the
    same, maybe slightly faster than last year, making time on the rolling
    sections, and to have more gas up the last climb, and again to finish
    strong. In that way I hoped to improve and get close to 4 hours.

    I felt pretty good as I started up the climb and got settled - maybe I got
    the taper right I was thinking. I could already tell that the rocks on the
    trail were wet and slippery, and my feet were soaked by the top of the climb
    from undergrowth. I settled in behind a group of about 5 and gave them space
    ahead of me as I looked for the right pace. We soon entered into the fog, or
    was it clouds, that was hanging over the mountains. We would be in that
    dense moist air for most of the day, with not a view to be seen until some
    misty ones toward the end. It wasn't hot, and I remember feeling some cooler
    breezes atop Windham, but already everyone was completely drenched in sweat
    from the humidity.

    I checked my watch after drinking at the aid station atop Windham - 48
    something - hmm too fast perhaps, though I felt fine and it didn't feel as
    hard as last year's effort (as if I could remember well a year before
    exactly). On the initial descent, I found myself passing two, and had left
    two others back at the aid station, but I now was behind a guy who was
    descending ok, and though I could easily have passed him, I decided to just
    see how he went for a while. It turned out he was running a controlled and
    what seemed like a sustainable pace, so I just followed him for a couple of
    miles. After a few minutes of descent on some steep stuff, we heard yelling
    from behind as someone was smoking down the hill very fast behind us. He
    soon caught and passed us and looked to be having fun, but I was happy with
    my current pacer, who slowed a bit for technical sections, but otherwise was
    a fine trail runner.

    The Windham descent is fairly short, and then the trail rolls for 5 miles or
    so to the base of Blackhead Mountain. It's far from flat, and is very
    technical with roots and many small boulders, and there's a water stop about
    ½ way. At the water stop my pacer stopped for longer, and the two who had
    caught up to us ended up going out with me and soon fell in behind me. I was
    trying to conserve my energy, and wasn't pushing it, and these guys were
    both telling me what a nice conservative pace we were doing and commented on
    my trail ability, as we discussed the course in general, and the upcoming
    blackhead climb in particular. I remember the guy behind me was from Amherst
    MA, and he'd run it 3 times before, and the guy behind him 4 times before,
    so it was 2, 3, 4 years of experience - and I commented on them being smart
    to hang back. They in turn commented on me as a pacer.

    I was sweating profusely from the humidity, and tried to drink as much as I
    could. Later, I saw that my HR during this section was over 92%, which
    baffles me since I was easily conversational, and wasn't pushing. OTOH, I
    wasn't feeling fresh, and knew I'd have to take it easy on Blackhead. The
    humidity was bugging me already, and the slippery rocks were eating up my
    concentration.

    We hit the aid station in the notch before Blackhead and I ate a fig Newton
    and filled my bottle quickly and got back on the trail. My time was now 3
    minutes ahead of last year's, which felt good, but was it too fast? I didn't
    want to think so but I was starting to realize it might have been too fast
    for the conditions. The guy from Amherst had told me his Blackhead goal was
    sub-20 minutes, because he didn't want to go any slower than 3mph! Mine was
    either the 23 of last year or the 24 of '05. I ended up with 24, and it
    hurt, but then again, it always does. I tried to pace myself, and I let
    other lighter folk pass me on the way up.

    During the ascent of Blackhead I realized it was going to be a tough day
    from there on out. Yes, uncle Doug, I went out too hard! Had I watched my
    HRM it might have given me clues, but my policy during a race is just to
    record splits and not to use it to set my pace. OTOH, maybe my speed
    training this year made the pace feel much easier than it was on my body. In
    any case, I felt worse up on blackhead than I ever did before, and began to
    have worries of really '[censored] the bed' later in the race.

    With that in mind, after I filled my bottle and ate some gel atop Blackhead,
    I took it easy on the descent. I didn't really have a choice. A few times
    from there on out I would think what my pace might mean for my overall time.
    At first I was thinking I might improve on last year, but later I would
    revise my estimates to first sub 4:15, then sub 4:20, not really trying to
    run faster to meet those times, as I was just trying to run what I thought
    would be a sustainable pace from there, which was a few notches slower than
    earlier, and can be seen in my splits and heart rates.

    After Blackhead, there's a flatish section before the steep descent into
    Dutcher Notch, and at the start of that part Doug's friend Jimmy passed me,
    and we had a brief conversation. I kept seeing him up ahead - he would run
    fast for a while then walk. I was to catch one more glimpse of him much
    later on Stoppel Mountain, though at the time I didn't think it was him as I
    thought he was far ahead by then. Only after finishing did I find out he was
    just over a minute in front of me. Neither of us had great runs obviously;
    his probably worse than mine since he's a faster runner.

    The steep descent into the notch didn't hurt badly as I was pacing myself
    now, trying to conserve enough energy to run all the way to the end instead
    of having to finish it out hiking. The rocks were slippery requiring great
    care, the air was thick with moisture, and my morale was poor. As I drank
    cups and refilled my bottle and started hiking up the climb to Stoppel, I
    hoped to conserve enough energy on this last climb to run it in well to the
    finish, and I paced myself with this in mind, jogging the less steep stuff
    and hiking everything else on the way up.

    A few people caught up to me here, and some passed, but two guys fell in
    behind me and I was a pacer for a little while. It turned out they were both
    cramping, so I gave them salt pills, and after that near the top, one of
    them passed and disappeared. The other, and two more passed me as we got
    water at the Stoppel aid station, and I really wasn't feeling good at all. I
    had no cramps, was trying to drink a lot, but I just didn't have the legs at
    that point to finish strong. Normally the next section is a nice and fast
    slight downhill, but I just couldn't work it as I had in past years. The
    next 50 minutes were tough.

    I held an ok pace down to North Point, and just one other person passed me
    in there, though in past years I was the one doing the passing from there to
    the finish, and it wasn't nice not being able to respond. After that, the
    steep ledges and technical stuff from there down really sapped my strength,
    and I walked or slogged through sections I really hammered in previous
    years. Lower down, several more passed me, but I didn't care anymore. I just
    wanted to finish still running. As I neared the finish, yet another guy was
    behind and closing on me, but I managed to pick it up in the final 200
    meters to avoid a humiliating pass right at the finish 😉

    There was Doug at the finish and Parker was there helping him, and that was
    when I met him for the first time. Someone handed me water to pour over my
    head and another to drink. I was drained much more than in previous years.
    When I realized that my time was 4:17 something I was somewhat happy to have
    salvaged that out of my day. The conditions weren't hot, though it was 60s
    to around 70 and very thick humidity, and I don't go well in that stuff even
    if it's not that hot. I didn't feel great about my run, and I really can't
    say that I enjoyed much of it, but it was done, and that's always a
    satisfying feeling.

    After lying down for a few minutes, I went to the lake with my replacement
    drink and went right in shoes and all, hoping the water was cold enough to
    chill my legs, but it wasn't as cold as last year. It still felt good to
    wash off all the sweat and salt and to cool off somewhat. Then, after
    hanging at the finish with Parker and Doug for a while, I left to face the
    Sunday traffic, which lived up to it's billing. Luckily a secret side route
    saved me hours of frustration, and I got home in time for dinner.

    Splits year by year:

    landmark 2005 2006 HR 2007 HR
    Windham 53:58 49:06 167 48:20 172
    waterst1 1:29:33 1:20:02 169 1:18:41 174
    startclimb 2:01:18 1:50:31 168 1:47:26 176
    Blackhead 2:26:10 2:14:13 173 2:11:52 178
    Dutcher 2:58:27 2:46:08 164 2:45:21 166
    Stoppel 3:35:22 3:23:05 167 3:24:34 165
    NorthPt 3:56:50 3:42:21 161 3:46:12 159
    Finish 4:24:40 4:10:55 164 4:17:51 160

    Weight 164 168 169

    Other thoughts:

    I've had some nagging injuries and difficulties fitting training into life
    in the past few months. I think though that my training came together pretty
    well in the end. My sore forefeet persisted into the race, and hurt badly at
    times, but they didn't slow me down much. I think that a too-fast start kept
    me from improving over last year, though this year I felt like going for it,
    and I did. In the end, I needed to lose more weight to improve
    significantly, but for various reasons that didn't happen. I again struggled
    on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the descents drains your body
    also as you brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final
    technical sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan to
    adjust my training and be back next year.

    -Tony

  2. Great report, Tony.

    The year by year comparisons are interesting.
    Like you said, in retrospect the high 1st half HR
    was not a good sign for trhe 2nd half. Maybe next time
    you would slow down even if you were feeling good in
    the first half if you saw the higher HR...

    Did you have any special shoes to cope with the slippery
    rocks? I'm planning on doing a trail ultra next year, and
    it could be in slippery conditions...

    Enjoy the recovery and congrats on toughing it out!

    Anthony.

  3. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Q0wri.3040$id4.649@trndny05...

    Quoted message said:


    I've had some nagging injuries and difficulties fitting training into
    life in the past few months. I think though that my training came
    together pretty well in the end. My sore forefeet persisted into the
    race, and hurt badly at times, but they didn't slow me down much. I
    think that a too-fast start kept me from improving over last year,
    though this year I felt like going for it, and I did. In the end, I
    needed to lose more weight to improve significantly, but for various
    reasons that didn't happen. I again struggled on the climbs, and
    carrying more weight on the descents drains your body also as you
    brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final technical
    sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan to
    adjust my training and be back next year.

    SIne I'm one of the repositories for the escarpment results i took a
    look at my own times. My memory had me going under 4 only once to find
    that I had 4 times. The times match to age 40-49 and years 85-94

    4:53:39 4:13:20 4:09:13 4:10:23 3:47:46 4:10:56 3:47:07 3:53:07 3:56:57
    4:28:55

    I can remember I did the first year on a sprained ankle two weeks prior.
    I don't remember why the last was so slow. Anywho, all I can remember
    about each year were the conditions being so diverse. . [censored] picked the
    last Sunday in July, precisely for this reason. It's really hard to gun
    for this race. You train your ass off and pray the day is tolerable.
    It's not race that offer any forgivenes when wet and humid.

    Considering the day and the overall times you did well on the clock. I
    had picked you to go about 4:20 after watching the first 25 cross finish
    line. I was not the committed race photographer, the sweet young thing
    next to me was but I got most runners. I wanted to see how my new
    digital SLR set on aperture priority(250 and too fast for head on finish
    but I had plenty of light at asa 400 until the last 1/2 hour and the
    cloud cover) would do.

    I'm still waiting for Lance to show up one year for his come to Jesus
    lesson . Insert evil grin...............

    -Doug

  4. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200 odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news
    is I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed
    very little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Bummer. Have you had other performances where you felt good and strong at
    the beginning and faded at the end? I notice that when I blow up, I usually
    knew I was going too hard at the beginning (breathing too hard, legs burning
    too much, etc).

    Could have been one of those ineffable things -- a bug, a touch of asthma,
    etc...

    Was your distance training sufficient? If I remember it, you weren't
    running a ton of miles, and lore (i.e., Doug :-) has it that you might need
    more long runs to compensate...

    In any event, you put in a strong effort based on your heartrate. In lousy
    races, my heartrate is a bit depressed (like the rest of me!)

    -- Dan

  5. Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very rocky,
    rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short cliff-like
    sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200 odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news is
    I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed very
    little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Yuck for the weather and lack of views. We've had cooler, but muggy
    temperatures here recently. High 50s, but 70-80% humidity.
    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Other thoughts:

    I've had some nagging injuries and difficulties fitting training into life
    in the past few months. I think though that my training came together pretty
    well in the end. My sore forefeet persisted into the race, and hurt badly at
    times, but they didn't slow me down much. I think that a too-fast start kept
    me from improving over last year, though this year I felt like going for it,
    and I did. In the end, I needed to lose more weight to improve
    significantly, but for various reasons that didn't happen. I again struggled
    on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the descents drains your body
    also as you brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final
    technical sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan to
    adjust my training and be back next year.

    Bummer on the injuries. Hey, ya never know if ya got it on a particular
    day, unless you try for it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
    Bummer is that you didn't get to enjoy the downhills like you usually
    do. 🙁 Well, it's another year of training, so you've got 3 years of
    experience at it now for fine tuning next year. Life always seems to get
    in the way.

    Dot

    --
    "Having broken so many rules, I felt completely liberated, and I never
    enjoyed a run more."
    -Fred Lebow (p. 243, NYRRC Complete Book of Running)

  6. Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very rocky,
    rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short cliff-like
    sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200 odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news is
    I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed very
    little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Tony,

    You did fine for the conditions. I would have been thrilled to be a
    minute behind Jimmy! Then again I couldn't run that time on that
    course in perfect conditions.
    The rocks were very slippery in my training run and while it could
    have been cooler it was definitely humid.

    I don't know if you saw it but there was an ambulance and news cameras
    on the way home on 23a. A 12 year old boy fell 60 ft into a gorge near
    Kaaterskill Falls.
    http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S153741.shtml?cat=10114
    The article says he's in serious condition. What a horrible thing to
    happen on a family outing, I hope he survives and recovers.

    Parker

  7. "Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Great report, Tony.

    The year by year comparisons are interesting.
    Like you said, in retrospect the high 1st half HR
    was not a good sign for trhe 2nd half. Maybe next time
    you would slow down even if you were feeling good in
    the first half if you saw the higher HR...

    Yea, you're right, and I think last year I glanced at the montior more, but,
    looking back, I think it was mostly the general system working really hard
    to keep me cool - sweating but no evaporation. Still, that's taxing and has
    to be taken into account.

    Quoted message said:

    Did you have any special shoes to cope with the slippery
    rocks? I'm planning on doing a trail ultra next year, and
    it could be in slippery conditions...

    I ended up wearing Asics 2120s with homemade plastic rock protection
    inserts. These worked pretty well, but aren't particularly grippy. You
    really just have to know the grip of the particular shoe you're wearing to
    avoid trouble. I had wanted to try out some la sportiva and also some
    Innov-8 mountain racing shoes, but ran out of time for that.

    Quoted message said:

    Enjoy the recovery and congrats on toughing it out!

    Thanks Anthony! It was either that or stay out there an hour longer hiking.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    Anthony.

  8. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    .....

    Quoted message said:

    SIne I'm one of the repositories for the escarpment results i took a look
    at my own times. My memory had me going under 4 only once to find that I
    had 4 times. The times match to age 40-49 and years 85-94

    4:53:39 4:13:20 4:09:13 4:10:23 3:47:46 4:10:56 3:47:07 3:53:07 3:56:57
    4:28:55

    Quite a spread there.

    Quoted message said:

    I can remember I did the first year on a sprained ankle two weeks prior. I
    don't remember why the last was so slow. Anywho, all I can remember about
    each year were the conditions being so diverse. . [censored] picked the last
    Sunday in July, precisely for this reason. It's really hard to gun for
    this race. You train your ass off and pray the day is tolerable. It's not
    race that offer any forgivenes when wet and humid.

    Yea, he picked the best time though. Any other time hypothermia would be a
    potential problem, and could be even now on the right day. It's a unique
    race and I still love it, even though I didn't have the best of days,
    enjoyment wise.

    Quoted message said:

    Considering the day and the overall times you did well on the clock. I had
    picked you to go about 4:20 after watching the first 25 cross finish line.
    I was not the committed race photographer, the sweet young thing next to
    me was but I got most runners. I wanted to see how my new digital SLR set
    on aperture priority(250 and too fast for head on finish but I had plenty
    of light at asa 400 until the last 1/2 hour and the cloud cover) would do.

    Yea, I wasn't really disappointed with the time, considering. As you know
    though, and advise others about all the time - it's far more fun to feel
    strong and to be doing the passing late in the race!

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    I'm still waiting for Lance to show up one year for his come to Jesus
    lesson . Insert evil grin...............

    Quoted message said:

    -Doug

  9. "D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200
    odd runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s
    at finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet
    from previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks
    were very slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took
    more concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good
    news is I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I
    enjoyed very little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Bummer. Have you had other performances where you felt good and strong at
    the beginning and faded at the end? I notice that when I blow up, I
    usually knew I was going too hard at the beginning (breathing too hard,
    legs burning too much, etc).

    Yup, at another 30k 2 years ago - the double trouble down in PA. There it
    was both humid and really hot, and I faded similarly. This time cooling was
    a problem, but I don't know how much I would have faded had it been dry. I
    definitely started too fast for the conditions.

    Quoted message said:

    Could have been one of those ineffable things -- a bug, a touch of asthma,
    etc...

    Or lack of quality sleep over some time, who knows.

    Quoted message said:

    Was your distance training sufficient? If I remember it, you weren't
    running a ton of miles, and lore (i.e., Doug :-) has it that you might
    need more long runs to compensate...

    I had 15% more volume YTD than last year, though most of that was
    winter/early spring. I wasn't able to do as much the last few months. Maybe
    it would have helped to do more, but I did get in some quality long runs,
    including a couple of tough 20 miler hill repeat runs.

    Quoted message said:

    In any event, you put in a strong effort based on your heartrate. In
    lousy races, my heartrate is a bit depressed (like the rest of me!)

    Thanks Dan. I worked it the best I could based on how I was holding up,
    keeping a 84% HR as I struggled in.

    Quoted message said:

    -- Dan

  10. Tony,

    Outstanding report!

    Sounds like an all-out effort amidst some distinctly suboptimal
    conditions, both external (man, the humidity thing sucks: the extra
    physical distress *plus* eliminating the views seems totally unfair,
    like double jeopardy) and internal (hope your feet heal up with a
    little rest; I cringe a little each time I think about sore forefeet).

    I can make one suggestion based on my own experience of the last few
    years: declare some other race to be your major goal of the year, then
    you'll have a better chance of all factors coming together at
    Escarpment. ;-)

  11. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very
    rocky, rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short
    cliff-like sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200
    odd runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s
    at finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet
    from previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks
    were very slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took
    more concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good
    news is I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I
    enjoyed very little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Yuck for the weather and lack of views. We've had cooler, but muggy
    temperatures here recently. High 50s, but 70-80% humidity.
    ...

    Yea, I missed those views - normally they give you a big lift. This time it
    was literally running in the clouds 😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other thoughts:

    I've had some nagging injuries and difficulties fitting training into
    life in the past few months. I think though that my training came
    together pretty well in the end. My sore forefeet persisted into the
    race, and hurt badly at times, but they didn't slow me down much. I think
    that a too-fast start kept me from improving over last year, though this
    year I felt like going for it, and I did. In the end, I needed to lose
    more weight to improve significantly, but for various reasons that didn't
    happen. I again struggled on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the
    descents drains your body also as you brake. I was just disappointed that
    I couldn't jam the final technical sections that are normally a great
    deal of fun for me. I plan to adjust my training and be back next year.

    Bummer on the injuries. Hey, ya never know if ya got it on a particular
    day, unless you try for it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
    Bummer is that you didn't get to enjoy the downhills like you usually do.
    🙁 Well, it's another year of training, so you've got 3 years of
    experience at it now for fine tuning next year. Life always seems to get
    in the way.

    Dot

    I can't really say the injuries held me back in training or in the race.
    Life did more than injuries. I tried to go for it, and really there was
    little sign (aside from my unchecked HR) that I was going too hard. I think
    it was the overtime my body was working to cool me more than the pace. Even
    though I didn't enjoy the day much, I can't say I had a really bad day
    either. One just has hopes for it to be as good as one remembers it being at
    times in the past, and to be even better. So yea, in that sense it was a
    letdown, but no big deal, I plan to be back!

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    --
    "Having broken so many rules, I felt completely liberated, and I never
    enjoyed a run more."
    -Fred Lebow (p. 243, NYRRC Complete Book of Running)

  12. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very
    rocky,
    rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short
    cliff-like
    sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200
    odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were
    very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news
    is
    I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed
    very
    little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Tony,

    You did fine for the conditions. I would have been thrilled to be a
    minute behind Jimmy! Then again I couldn't run that time on that
    course in perfect conditions.
    The rocks were very slippery in my training run and while it could
    have been cooler it was definitely humid.

    Thanks Parker! Though I'm sure you'd agree that doing fine and enjoying it
    are two different things. It's how you get there, and a fade and then
    getting passed a lot isn't my idea of fun. But I give myself credit for
    holding together as well as I did those last 2 hours. And yea, Knowing Jimmy
    was just a click ahead is ok.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if you saw it but there was an ambulance and news cameras
    on the way home on 23a. A 12 year old boy fell 60 ft into a gorge near
    Kaaterskill Falls.
    http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S153741.shtml?cat=10114
    The article says he's in serious condition. What a horrible thing to
    happen on a family outing, I hope he survives and recovers.

    Yea, I saw the ambulance and what had to be the family looking distressed,
    and wondered what the heck had happened. Serious bummer for them. You can't
    mess around in that gorge. I almost joined him when I ran over the crease in
    the cliff towards the end of the run 😉

    By the way it was great to finally meet you. Doug had you working all
    afternoon - just hope he kept you in brewskies or treated you afterward!

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    Parker

  13. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Tony,

    Outstanding report!

    Thanks Charlie, I've found that my family and friends like reading these
    reports and it also helps me to reexperience the run. The memories of trail
    races are vivid since there's so much going on, particularly in a race like
    this one.

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like an all-out effort amidst some distinctly suboptimal
    conditions, both external (man, the humidity thing sucks: the extra
    physical distress *plus* eliminating the views seems totally unfair,
    like double jeopardy) and internal (hope your feet heal up with a
    little rest; I cringe a little each time I think about sore forefeet).

    All-out in the sense that I couldn't have done better by more than a minute
    or two given the way things unfolded yea. OTOH, had I not gone for it so
    much in the beginning, I think I might have improved on my time of last
    year, but time alone isn't that important in this race, unless of course
    it's that still-magic-to-me 4 hour mark 😉

    Quoted message said:

    I can make one suggestion based on my own experience of the last few
    years: declare some other race to be your major goal of the year, then
    you'll have a better chance of all factors coming together at
    Escarpment. ;-)

    Yea, I've thought about that this year - too much focus from too far out on
    one race! Good idea thanks.

    -Tony

  14. Great report, Tony!

    Sorry it ws so muggy, I'm with you on that (hate it). It does look
    like you went out too fast, but actually I think you did pretty well
    considering the humidity and treacherous footing conditions. You
    still came in running! This year was just a data point for next
    year's PR, right!?!

    Teresa in AZ

    Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Summary:

    For those who don't know it, the Escarpment trail is an 18+ mile rough
    hiking trail in the Catskill Mountains in New York State. It's very rocky,
    rooty, and has steep climbs and descents, with many ledges (short cliff-like
    sections) to descend.

    This year I ran it for the 3rd time, in 4:17:51, 53rd place out of 200 odd
    runners. Heart rate average 169 (89% max). Weather low 60s to low 70s at
    finish, in fog most of the way near 100% humidity. The trail was wet from
    previous rain and the fog, so I soon had wet feet, and the rocks were very
    slippery the whole way, but luckily I didn't fall (that took more
    concentration than usual and slowed things down somewhat). The good news is
    I made the best out of a too-fast start; the bad news is that I enjoyed very
    little of the run and faded badly at the end!

    Last year, when it was hotter but the trail was mostly dry, I was 50th place
    (4:10:55), so I slipped a little in the placings this year and of course ran
    slower. The bottom line is that I was going for 4 hours, went out too hard
    for the conditions and then tried to survive. I achieved that to some
    extent, but I sure don't like getting passed toward the end!

    How it happened:

    I felt fit and fairly well rested, though not entirely sure of my condition
    since my life's been a bit chaotic this year leading up to the race. In any
    case I was ready to go for it, and that meant lining up about where I did
    last year - before the bulk of the people, but not right at the front. Since
    the race starts out with a 3 mile 1700+ foot climb, you don't want to go too
    hard in order to save something for later in the race, but you also don't
    want to get stuck behind too many people to pass later on the narrow
    single-track trail.

    The race consists of 3 major climbs, and 5-6 descents broken up by rolling
    terrain, and my goal this year was to do the first ½ of the race about the
    same, maybe slightly faster than last year, making time on the rolling
    sections, and to have more gas up the last climb, and again to finish
    strong. In that way I hoped to improve and get close to 4 hours.

    I felt pretty good as I started up the climb and got settled - maybe I got
    the taper right I was thinking. I could already tell that the rocks on the
    trail were wet and slippery, and my feet were soaked by the top of the climb
    from undergrowth. I settled in behind a group of about 5 and gave them space
    ahead of me as I looked for the right pace. We soon entered into the fog, or
    was it clouds, that was hanging over the mountains. We would be in that
    dense moist air for most of the day, with not a view to be seen until some
    misty ones toward the end. It wasn't hot, and I remember feeling some cooler
    breezes atop Windham, but already everyone was completely drenched in sweat
    from the humidity.

    I checked my watch after drinking at the aid station atop Windham - 48
    something - hmm too fast perhaps, though I felt fine and it didn't feel as
    hard as last year's effort (as if I could remember well a year before
    exactly). On the initial descent, I found myself passing two, and had left
    two others back at the aid station, but I now was behind a guy who was
    descending ok, and though I could easily have passed him, I decided to just
    see how he went for a while. It turned out he was running a controlled and
    what seemed like a sustainable pace, so I just followed him for a couple of
    miles. After a few minutes of descent on some steep stuff, we heard yelling
    from behind as someone was smoking down the hill very fast behind us. He
    soon caught and passed us and looked to be having fun, but I was happy with
    my current pacer, who slowed a bit for technical sections, but otherwise was
    a fine trail runner.

    The Windham descent is fairly short, and then the trail rolls for 5 miles or
    so to the base of Blackhead Mountain. It's far from flat, and is very
    technical with roots and many small boulders, and there's a water stop about
    ½ way. At the water stop my pacer stopped for longer, and the two who had
    caught up to us ended up going out with me and soon fell in behind me. I was
    trying to conserve my energy, and wasn't pushing it, and these guys were
    both telling me what a nice conservative pace we were doing and commented on
    my trail ability, as we discussed the course in general, and the upcoming
    blackhead climb in particular. I remember the guy behind me was from Amherst
    MA, and he'd run it 3 times before, and the guy behind him 4 times before,
    so it was 2, 3, 4 years of experience - and I commented on them being smart
    to hang back. They in turn commented on me as a pacer.

    I was sweating profusely from the humidity, and tried to drink as much as I
    could. Later, I saw that my HR during this section was over 92%, which
    baffles me since I was easily conversational, and wasn't pushing. OTOH, I
    wasn't feeling fresh, and knew I'd have to take it easy on Blackhead. The
    humidity was bugging me already, and the slippery rocks were eating up my
    concentration.

    We hit the aid station in the notch before Blackhead and I ate a fig Newton
    and filled my bottle quickly and got back on the trail. My time was now 3
    minutes ahead of last year's, which felt good, but was it too fast? I didn't
    want to think so but I was starting to realize it might have been too fast
    for the conditions. The guy from Amherst had told me his Blackhead goal was
    sub-20 minutes, because he didn't want to go any slower than 3mph! Mine was
    either the 23 of last year or the 24 of '05. I ended up with 24, and it
    hurt, but then again, it always does. I tried to pace myself, and I let
    other lighter folk pass me on the way up.

    During the ascent of Blackhead I realized it was going to be a tough day
    from there on out. Yes, uncle Doug, I went out too hard! Had I watched my
    HRM it might have given me clues, but my policy during a race is just to
    record splits and not to use it to set my pace. OTOH, maybe my speed
    training this year made the pace feel much easier than it was on my body. In
    any case, I felt worse up on blackhead than I ever did before, and began to
    have worries of really '[censored] the bed' later in the race.

    With that in mind, after I filled my bottle and ate some gel atop Blackhead,
    I took it easy on the descent. I didn't really have a choice. A few times
    from there on out I would think what my pace might mean for my overall time.
    At first I was thinking I might improve on last year, but later I would
    revise my estimates to first sub 4:15, then sub 4:20, not really trying to
    run faster to meet those times, as I was just trying to run what I thought
    would be a sustainable pace from there, which was a few notches slower than
    earlier, and can be seen in my splits and heart rates.

    After Blackhead, there's a flatish section before the steep descent into
    Dutcher Notch, and at the start of that part Doug's friend Jimmy passed me,
    and we had a brief conversation. I kept seeing him up ahead - he would run
    fast for a while then walk. I was to catch one more glimpse of him much
    later on Stoppel Mountain, though at the time I didn't think it was him as I
    thought he was far ahead by then. Only after finishing did I find out he was
    just over a minute in front of me. Neither of us had great runs obviously;
    his probably worse than mine since he's a faster runner.

    The steep descent into the notch didn't hurt badly as I was pacing myself
    now, trying to conserve enough energy to run all the way to the end instead
    of having to finish it out hiking. The rocks were slippery requiring great
    care, the air was thick with moisture, and my morale was poor. As I drank
    cups and refilled my bottle and started hiking up the climb to Stoppel, I
    hoped to conserve enough energy on this last climb to run it in well to the
    finish, and I paced myself with this in mind, jogging the less steep stuff
    and hiking everything else on the way up.

    A few people caught up to me here, and some passed, but two guys fell in
    behind me and I was a pacer for a little while. It turned out they were both
    cramping, so I gave them salt pills, and after that near the top, one of
    them passed and disappeared. The other, and two more passed me as we got
    water at the Stoppel aid station, and I really wasn't feeling good at all. I
    had no cramps, was trying to drink a lot, but I just didn't have the legs at
    that point to finish strong. Normally the next section is a nice and fast
    slight downhill, but I just couldn't work it as I had in past years. The
    next 50 minutes were tough.

    I held an ok pace down to North Point, and just one other person passed me
    in there, though in past years I was the one doing the passing from there to
    the finish, and it wasn't nice not being able to respond. After that, the
    steep ledges and technical stuff from there down really sapped my strength,
    and I walked or slogged through sections I really hammered in previous
    years. Lower down, several more passed me, but I didn't care anymore. I just
    wanted to finish still running. As I neared the finish, yet another guy was
    behind and closing on me, but I managed to pick it up in the final 200
    meters to avoid a humiliating pass right at the finish 😉

    There was Doug at the finish and Parker was there helping him, and that was
    when I met him for the first time. Someone handed me water to pour over my
    head and another to drink. I was drained much more than in previous years.
    When I realized that my time was 4:17 something I was somewhat happy to have
    salvaged that out of my day. The conditions weren't hot, though it was 60s
    to around 70 and very thick humidity, and I don't go well in that stuff even
    if it's not that hot. I didn't feel great about my run, and I really can't
    say that I enjoyed much of it, but it was done, and that's always a
    satisfying feeling.

    After lying down for a few minutes, I went to the lake with my replacement
    drink and went right in shoes and all, hoping the water was cold enough to
    chill my legs, but it wasn't as cold as last year. It still felt good to
    wash off all the sweat and salt and to cool off somewhat. Then, after
    hanging at the finish with Parker and Doug for a while, I left to face the
    Sunday traffic, which lived up to it's billing. Luckily a secret side route
    saved me hours of frustration, and I got home in time for dinner.

    Splits year by year:

    landmark 2005 2006 HR 2007 HR
    Windham 53:58 49:06 167 48:20 172
    waterst1 1:29:33 1:20:02 169 1:18:41 174
    startclimb 2:01:18 1:50:31 168 1:47:26 176
    Blackhead 2:26:10 2:14:13 173 2:11:52 178
    Dutcher 2:58:27 2:46:08 164 2:45:21 166
    Stoppel 3:35:22 3:23:05 167 3:24:34 165
    NorthPt 3:56:50 3:42:21 161 3:46:12 159
    Finish 4:24:40 4:10:55 164 4:17:51 160

    Weight 164 168 169

    Other thoughts:

    I've had some nagging injuries and difficulties fitting training into life
    in the past few months. I think though that my training came together pretty
    well in the end. My sore forefeet persisted into the race, and hurt badly at
    times, but they didn't slow me down much. I think that a too-fast start kept
    me from improving over last year, though this year I felt like going for it,
    and I did. In the end, I needed to lose more weight to improve
    significantly, but for various reasons that didn't happen. I again struggled
    on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the descents drains your body
    also as you brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final
    technical sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan to
    adjust my training and be back next year.

    -Tony

  15. "Tony S." wrote
    | Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Thanks for sharing your experience, Tony.

    Very tough course on a tougher conditions.
    As you said, your HR indicates starting out way too fast.

    | I again struggled
    | on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the descents drains your body
    | also as you brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final
    | technical sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan to
    | adjust my training and be back next year.

    Still pretty good finish for the conditions, humidity and all that stuff,
    Congratulations.

    Well, makes me never want to race Escarpment. 🙂

  16. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Great report, Tony!

    Sorry it ws so muggy, I'm with you on that (hate it). It does look
    like you went out too fast, but actually I think you did pretty well
    considering the humidity and treacherous footing conditions. You
    still came in running! This year was just a data point for next
    year's PR, right!?!

    Thanks Teresa! Though it was a tough year (for all) I still love this race.
    Data point and more experience yup! As Charlie suggested, it might be good
    to have less of a singular focus, and I pretty much know what kind of shape
    I need to be in to run well there anyway. PRs come on the luck of the draw
    weather wise in this race.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    Teresa in AZ

    Tony S. said:

    Escarpment trail run race report, 2007


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  17. "I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Tony S." wrote
    | Escarpment trail run race report, 2007

    Thanks for sharing your experience, Tony.

    you're welcome.

    Quoted message said:

    Very tough course on a tougher conditions.
    As you said, your HR indicates starting out way too fast.

    Yes, though at least it wasn't pouring rain, or really hot. A newcomer who
    is a fast marathoner almost reached the course record on Sunday. With HR
    it's hard to tell exactly what it should be, but it was too high, yes. OTOH,
    where you see it lower in segements 'Dutcher', 'NorthPt', and 'Finish' is
    because those sections are downhill and technical, and you can't open it up
    too.

    Quoted message said:

    | I again struggled
    | on the climbs, and carrying more weight on the descents drains your body
    | also as you brake. I was just disappointed that I couldn't jam the final
    | technical sections that are normally a great deal of fun for me. I plan
    to
    | adjust my training and be back next year.

    Still pretty good finish for the conditions, humidity and all that stuff,
    Congratulations.

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, makes me never want to race Escarpment. 🙂

    Yea, it's funny, I pity the newcomers who try it for the first time on a day
    like that. It can be just a fantastic trail with the views and when the
    rocks are dry it can be fine running. It's a great point-to-point day hike,
    but start early so you can enjoy it.

    -Tony

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