Something More Upbeat

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium frame
that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said that it
was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured Eddy
Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could have
been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Ah, I'm so bad.

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium frame
that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said that
it
was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured Eddy
Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could have
been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Ah, I'm so bad.

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Quoted message said:

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian bikes.

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From the Habanero website:

Build quality. The frames are fabricated by an honest-to-goodness
aerospace builder in China, not some cookie-cutter bike frame factory.
The welders are aerospace certified and have 10-15 years of experience
(compare that with most builders). Their attention to detail and
experience shines through in the fantastic single pass welds, and in
the construction and alignment of all of the frame's components.
They're also a great group of people that I am honored to work with.
Plus, having lived in and traveled to China over the last 10+ years,
I've seen the difference that the free market economy is making in the
lives of the Chinese people, and I'm proud Habanero is a (small) part
of that.

Way to go Kunich.

-Thurston

"Thurston Howell IV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Quoted message said:

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Quoted message said:

From the Habanero website:

Build quality. The frames are fabricated by an honest-to-goodness
aerospace builder in China, not some cookie-cutter bike frame factory.
The welders are aerospace certified and have 10-15 years of experience
(compare that with most builders). Their attention to detail and
experience shines through in the fantastic single pass welds, and in
the construction and alignment of all of the frame's components.
They're also a great group of people that I am honored to work with.
Plus, having lived in and traveled to China over the last 10+ years,
I've seen the difference that the free market economy is making in the
lives of the Chinese people, and I'm proud Habanero is a (small) part
of that.

Way to go Kunich.

-Thurston

Thurston,

Any plans on offering a compact geometry frame?
--
Marty

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium frame
that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said that
it
was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured Eddy
Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could have
been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Quoted message said:

Ah, I'm so bad.

Quoted message said:

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Koach Kunich,

Was it a Habanero Cycles frame, http://www.habcycles.com/index.html,
or was it just "like" one? Because not only are Habaneros
made in China, not Russia, but the owner and proprietor of
Habanero, Mark Hickey, used to post in rbr and rbt until our
own JFT sent him to Usenet Guantanamo. Maybe you should get
a neurological checkup.

Ben
concerned citizen

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium frame
that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said that
it
was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured Eddy
Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could have
been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Ah, I'm so bad.

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Ya know Tom we all get to be wrong, at least once in awhile. It's a feature of
life on Earth. But being belligerently wrong is special.

Ron

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium frame
> that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said that
> it
> was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

Quoted message said:

> The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured Eddy
> Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could have
> been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Quoted message said:

Ah, I'm so bad.

Quoted message said:

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Koach Kunich,

Was it a Habanero Cycles frame, http://www.habcycles.com/index.html,
or was it just "like" one? Because not only are Habaneros
made in China, not Russia, but the owner and proprietor of
Habanero, Mark Hickey, used to post in rbr and rbt until our
own JFT sent him to Usenet Guantanamo. Maybe you should get
a neurological checkup.

Top Ten Reasons Why Tom Isn't Mistaken:

10) You're stupid.

9) You're gay.

8) You're a Liberal.

7) Al Gore took money from the ChiComs.

6) You are aware that he worked at a place that invented welding.

5) He has more bikes in his garage than you do.

4) Michael Moore is fat.

3) Something about a penis...

2) Something about Clinton...

1) You're stupid, gay and Liberal.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Quoted message said:

Was it a Habanero Cycles frame, http://www.habcycles.com/index.html,
or was it just "like" one? Because not only are Habaneros
made in China, not Russia, but the owner and proprietor of
Habanero, Mark Hickey, used to post in rbr and rbt until our
own JFT sent him to Usenet Guantanamo.

I think Hickey just couldn't stand the thought that all of his Bush
chickens were coming home to roost and used JFT as a convenient
excuse.

I briefly considered buying a Habanero but stopped because I wondered
what Hickey would be like if anyone ever disagreed with him about
needing warranty service.

Howard Kveck said:

7) Al Gore took money from the ChiComs.

Speaking of irony: Al Gore has a book titled "Assault on Reason"

Speaking of amusing: Borders had Al Gore's books in the science
section. (Sorta like having Castenada in the anthro section.)

r r skools failin us?

Anyway, good for Razmansun today. Levi did about the best I've ever
seen him do.

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> I did the Windmill Century this last weekend and spotted a titanium
> frame
> that was really well made. I asked the owner who made it and he said
> that
> it
> was a frame like http://www.habcycles.com/index.html

Quoted message said:

> The welds were cleaner than the one's on my Litespeed manufactured
> Eddy
> Merckx EX Pro. The geometry visually appeared identical. They could
> have
> been the same bike but his had cleaner welds.

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Quoted message said:

Ah, I'm so bad.

Quoted message said:

Seriously, a club-mate has a Habanero road frame, and he is very happy
with it. They're a great value, and it's a nice material.

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian
bikes.

Koach Kunich,

Was it a Habanero Cycles frame, http://www.habcycles.com/index.html,
or was it just "like" one? Because not only are Habaneros
made in China, not Russia, but the owner and proprietor of
Habanero, Mark Hickey, used to post in rbr and rbt until our
own JFT sent him to Usenet Guantanamo. Maybe you should get
a neurological checkup.

It was LIKE a Habanero and it was build supposedly in Russia which was where
I thought Habanero's were built as well.

On Jul 25, 10:54 am, Thurston Howell IV <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote

Quoted message said:

That's because the Chinese welders are supermotivated!

Dumbass of the Month Club winner Ryan doesn't know that these are Russian bikes.
From the Habanero website:

Build quality. The frames are fabricated by an honest-to-goodness
aerospace builder in China, not some cookie-cutter bike frame factory.
The welders are aerospace certified and have 10-15 years of experience
(compare that with most builders). Their attention to detail and
experience shines through in the fantastic single pass welds, and in
the construction and alignment of all of the frame's components.
They're also a great group of people that I am honored to work with.
Plus, having lived in and traveled to China over the last 10+ years,
I've seen the difference that the free market economy is making in the
lives of the Chinese people, and I'm proud Habanero is a (small) part
of that.

Way to go Kunich.

I'm coming up on 5 years myself. If you ever get down to Hainan
Island, give me a call.

86 1351 883 8911

Ask for Meigui, Marian, or Miriam but please don't ask for Rose cause
I hate it when people call me that.

-M

(I figure if I can get phone calls from people who got my phone number
from bike shops that got it from someone in a bike club who got it
from someone else who thinks I'm a Chinese girl that speaks really
good English and likes bikes then it is useless even pretending that
the number is anything resembling private and is therefore safe to
post.)

Ryan Cousineau said:

I think that Hickey figured out that while there may be bigger, stupider
time-sinks than Usenet, it would take an effort to find them.

Don't worry, according to Hawking all your time that gets sucked into the
rbr blackhole will eventually escape (is Hawking a mathematician who dopes
or an astrophysicist on amphetamines ?)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

I think that Hickey figured out that while there may be bigger, stupider
time-sinks than Usenet, it would take an effort to find them.

Don't worry, according to Hawking all your time that gets sucked into the
rbr blackhole will eventually escape (is Hawking a mathematician who dopes
or an astrophysicist on amphetamines ?)

I think he has a medical waiver either way.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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On the day my daughter was born I took a photo of her hand in mine.
Not much data density: poorly lit photo of a baby's hand in an
adult's. However, I take a photo of her hand in mine each year on her
birthday. Thus far, the series is still short. Each single photo
carries little information. The photos in series are more interesting;
I hope that in twenty years (if the series lasts that long) they will
be far more interesting.

I actually now use the graph as an example for "when is smooth too
smooth?" to illustrate how the eye and brain process visual data. It
didn't start that way: when I started the graph the riser height of
each step was much clearer. I never thought the number of stairs would
be so large and that's part of the story, both in terms of visual
decoding and also data density. I've had to rescale the axes several
times, and that's part of the story, too.

And, to come back to your question about when the numbers of deaths
are high or low, I had posted this back when the President was
promoting The Surge:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/deathsbymonth.png

There had been clear seasonality in the coalition death tolls, so one
would think there is also seasonality in overall violence (not just
deaths of coalition soldiers). If so, then evaluating the effect of
The Surge (either on coalition deaths or more generally on overall
violence) should also take into account seasonality.

Speaking of graph smoothing:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011682.php

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

Speaking of graph smoothing:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011682.php

Hmmm. OTOH, it appears to have some data density.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Was it a Habanero Cycles frame,http://www.habcycles.com/index.html,
or was it just "like" one? Because not only are Habaneros
made in China, not Russia, but the owner and proprietor of
Habanero, Mark Hickey, used to post in rbr and rbt until our
own JFT sent him to Usenet Guantanamo.

I think Hickey just couldn't stand the thought that all of his Bush
chickens were coming home to roost and used JFT as a convenient
excuse.

Perversely, I give Mark some credit for this. I mean,
not for being a torture denialist (IIRC that was one
of the issues of the argument), but I think somewhere
inside he recognized that previous positions (his or
the Admin's) were no longer tenable, and the escalating
cognitive dissonance eventually caused him to flip
his wig. As you said, JFT happened to be the trigger.

The reason I give him credit for flipping his wig over
untenable positions is that there are also people, not
just in rec.bicycles.*, but on prominent editorial pages,
who don't flip their wigs but are perfectly happy
insisting that the grass is mauve and the sky is
polka-dotted.

Quoted message said:

I briefly considered buying a Habanero but stopped because I wondered
what Hickey would be like if anyone ever disagreed with him about
needing warranty service.

Well, to be fair to Mark, everybody on rbt who has
one seems happy with it and him. I'm sure the frames
can stand up to a lot of abuse (har har). I'd think
about buying one, but I'd be afraid it would always
pull to the right. Which would be fine if I raced
crits, but I never liked crits.

Ben

On Jul 27, 8:53 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'd think
about buying one, but I'd be afraid it would always
pull to the right. Which would be fine if I raced
crits, but I never liked crits.

Maybe Mancebo could benefit from one.

Howard Kveck said:

Speaking of graph smoothing:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011682.php

This is way off thread and topic now, and it is your fault.

I have my doubts that was "smoothing" or regression at all. It just
looks like drawing a line where "you" decide you want it.

But the line in the second graph is bogus too:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/07/yet-again-tax-c.html

Even if some mathematical operation is performed correctly, it says
nothing about whether it has any meaning, or the underlying data is
(or not) bogus; it doesn't. It is only a facade of legitimacy.

The Laffer curve has to exist a priori -- that part is not arguable
(unless one adds some twists to language, and that has indeed been
done). That doesn't mean someone can acquire data to demonstrate the
Laffer curve in a real economy.

The actual question right-wingers and left-wingers hissy-fit about is
whether the corporate tax levels are anything close to a point where
cutting them would actually increase revenues. I wouldn't propose to
say the US corporate tax rate is near or at that "point." I don't
know, but I have some doubts.

But wonder what the real question is. Are left-wingers just saying:
"soak them because we can; because we can get more of someone else's
stuff?" Frankly, I have to say yes. They tax because they can. They
don't have another good reason. "Should they(?)" doesn't even seem to
come into the picture. Left-wingers simply seem to be saying "I'll
just tax as heavily as possible until squeezing stops increasing my
revenue." There is no introspection, no justification.

I think during Reagan the corporate rates were higher, so maybe there
was a better chance then that reduced rates increased revenue. I
don't know, and I don't think that is the prime question, although it
would be really stupid to raise rates to a negative return (so it is
something leftists would do).

Should corporations be taxed at all? I don't think they should be
taxed. Therefore the rates are too high, regardless of where the
rates would fall on the Laffer curve if one could actually acquire the
data.

Do you have any rationale of why you think corporate tax rates, or any
tax rates for that matter, should be this or that?

"It's the spending stupid." --BF, 1759

"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_

de Jouvenel tapped his mother-in-law IIRC. Another great Frenchman!!!!

In article <[email hidden]>,

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Howard Kveck said:

Speaking of graph smoothing:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011682.php

This is way off thread and topic now, and it is your fault.

I have my doubts that was "smoothing" or regression at all. It just
looks like drawing a line where "you" decide you want it.

Well, of course. I was kidding when I suggested it was a case of smoothing. They
drew that line becuse it allowed them toprove what they wanted.

Quoted message said:

But the line in the second graph is bogus too:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/07/yet-again-tax-c.html

That graph seems to be how they normally are drawn - averaging the numbers and
ignoring the outliers (and in this instance, Norway is a clear outlier).

Quoted message said:

Even if some mathematical operation is performed correctly, it says
nothing about whether it has any meaning, or the underlying data is
(or not) bogus; it doesn't. It is only a facade of legitimacy.

The Laffer curve has to exist a priori -- that part is not arguable
(unless one adds some twists to language, and that has indeed been
done). That doesn't mean someone can acquire data to demonstrate the
Laffer curve in a real economy.

Well, the Laffer Curve is (and has been) something of a holy grail to supply-side
adherents but it hasn't been shown yet to actually exist in real life.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?