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  1. Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    Location: Atlanta Georgia
    Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    humidity, 1 mph winds
    Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com

    This was the first marathon I've run since The Boston Marathon in 2005
    <http://tinyurl.com/yjnpyr>. After Boston I ran 3 ultras (two 50Ks and a
    50-miler). After learning that Atlanta would have new marathon in March
    sponsored by ING, I decided to go into training specifically for this
    event. This would be the first marathon that didn't require out-of-state
    travel. The 24-week training program for this marathon began in
    September. I followed the training plan as outlined in the book
    "Advanced Marathoning" by Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas. I've been
    following the same program for several other events.

    Unlike my training for Boston, this time I did not develop any
    debilitating injuries (tendonitis). I tweaked the Pfitzinger plan to max
    out at around 65 miles per week, eliminating one of the recovery days
    for a day off. The rest of the plan was followed pretty closely, with
    the appropriate long runs, VO2 max, tempo, and 2 tune-up 10K races (plan
    called for 3).

    Weekly mileage:
    68, 40, 51, 62, 56, 48, 56, 63, 59, 51, 41, 44, 47, 47, 50, 53, 48, 55,
    56, 58, 60, 50, 61, 43

    Weekly long runs:
    10, 14, 15, 17, 13, 17, 17, 18, 19, 13, 19, 20, 18, 16, 13, 22, 18, 17,
    17, 21, 20, 16, 11, race

    Several days before the race I was feeling really drained, not getting
    much more than 4 or 5 hours of sleep per night. I was also losing my
    confidence. Hey, aren't I supposed to be feeling great during a taper? I
    went to the expo on Saturday with my wife and daughter. I got my number
    and chip and sort of moped around for about 15 minutes before deciding
    to leave. Something about being surrounded by all those giddy ultra-fit
    runners was really getting to me. I guess I really enjoy the training
    for an event more than the event itself. So with that in mind, I figured
    I'd get this marathon out of the way so that I could get back to
    training.

    The race starts at 7:00 AM. My plan was to use MARTA (Metropolitan
    Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority), which would get me 2 blocks away from
    the start/finish area, thereby no worries about driving and parking.
    According to the MARTA schedule, catching the 5:38 train gets me to the
    station near the start at 6:02. That would give me plenty of time to hit
    the porta-potty a few times and get some PowerAde, etc. When they say
    "5:38" that sort of implies that the train is fairly punctual. The
    schedule did not say "Oh, around 5:30-ish or whenever the conductor
    decides to put down his newspaper." The train finally showed up 16
    minutes late, only 4 minutes ahead of the next train. Sheesh, I could've
    slept another half hour! So I finally find my seat on the train with
    lots of other runners and even a few guys that looked like they've been
    riding the train all night. As we get closer to the start of the race,
    the train gets more and more filled with runners until it was standing
    room only. As we're leaving the next-to-last stop you can hear the
    engines rev up, but no motion. The conductor said someone was leaning on
    one of the doors and that the train would not move until they moved away
    from the doors. After 10 minutes the train still wasn't moving. Finally
    the lights went out. At this point we are under Atlanta, so it's almost
    completely dark. Now, I didn't think I was claustrophobic, but I could
    feel the anxiety in me increasing. After a few minutes the conductor
    opened the doors and about half of us got out. It was only an extra 2
    blocks to the start, so I was outta there.

    By then it was already 6:35. I needed to make my way to the gear check
    area and the porta-potties. Fortunately I already had a 24 oz PowerAde
    in my waist pack. Good thing, because I never saw any water or PowerAde
    near the start. By the time I got to the porta-potties it was 6:45 and
    the lines were huge. There was no way I could start without relieving
    myself. Thank goodness for the chip. They started the star spangled
    banner just as I was getting close. Unfortunately the singer did not
    choose to sing all 4 versus. By the time I was out, it was 6:59. I was
    forced to line up with the 6-hour walkers. OK, so this is a good way to
    keep from starting too fast. With ~5,000 marathoners and ~10,000
    half-marathoners, the start was packed. We just stood there for a few
    minutes after the gun went off. I crossed the starting mat about 5
    minutes later.

    I don't remember a whole lot about the race, which is probably a good
    thing since this report is already too long. I carried a 24-oz bottle in
    a waist pack. My plan was to refill it every 4 to 6 miles. When I got to
    the 4 mile water stop I saw the sign the said "PowerAde Station ahead."
    Great I'll finish off what I have and load up with another 24 oz of
    PowerAde. That should hold me until 10 miles. As I passed the water
    station, I didn't see any PowerAde. Soon it became apparent that there
    wasn't any PowerAde. I still had some in my bottle so I guess I could
    fill up at 6 miles. Same deal at 6 miles. I asked someone if I just
    missed it again. He said that they was no PowerAde on the course. In
    fact, they were completely out of PowerAde until I got to the 17 mile
    aid station. Everybody was [censored] about this throughout the course. On
    a day that ended up with a record high 87F, they had no PowerAde. Anyone
    with a finish time of over 4 hours was really going to suffer out there.
    So after training for 4 months with PowerAde, specifically for this
    event, I had to come up with a different hydration/electrolyte strategy.
    I had 3 Succeed! Capsules, I took 1 at 10, 15, and 20 miles. At some of
    the aid stations they were handing out ClifShots. I grabbed several of
    those. The calories and sodium that I would have gotten from PowerAde, I
    replaced with water, Clif Shots and S! caps. I filled up my 24oz bottle
    around every 4 or 6 miles. So I believe I got plenty of fluids, carbs,
    and electrolytes. I had to stop to pee at around 8.5 miles, then again
    more than just pee at the halfway mark, which is why lap 14 was a 9:48
    mile.

    I maintaned a steady effort throughout most of the race. I slowed down
    to run and talk to a co-worker around half way, then picked it back up
    when he had to stop at an aid station. I saw Piedmont Donald at around
    18 - 20 miles. I sprinted ahead of me to get my picture. That was fun
    and uplifting. Even though my pace wasn't increasing, simply holding, I
    passed a lot of runners in the last 5 miles. I recall being passed by
    only 1 runner. I suspect a lot of this was due to the lack of
    electrolytes on the course. I saw many walking wounded in the last 5
    miles. Some electrolytes might of helped some of those folks.

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with my performance. The hilly course,
    warmer than normal conditions and bathroom break slowdowns probably
    accounted for 5 to 10 minutes. The fact that I was 6 minutes away from a
    Boston qualifier makes me wonder how I could have done on a flat course.
    Oh well, I'll get it next time. Probably Chicago in October.

    Here are the mile splits:

    Mile Time Avg HR

    1 8:02 134
    2 8:19 138
    3 8:11 141
    4 8:08 142
    5 7:54 141
    6 7:58 141
    7 8:38 143 (uphill)
    8 8:05 142
    9 8:36 140
    10 7:52 143
    11 8:12 144
    12 7:56 143 (downhill)
    13 7:55 144
    14 9:48 142 (potty break)
    15 8:02 138
    16 8:20 145
    17 9:19 145 (uphill)
    18 8:23 145
    19 8:06 146
    20 8:19 147
    21 8:20 147
    22 8:14 148 (downhill)
    23 7:51 150
    24 8:32 152 (uphill)
    25 8:54 153 (uphill)
    26 8:15 155
    27 1:55 156

    --
    Phil M.

  2. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    | Location: Atlanta Georgia
    | Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    | Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    | humidity, 1 mph winds
    | Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com
    |
    That was a great effort considering the conditions, Congratulations.
    Too bad you missed the BQ narrowly, may be a fall marathon?
    I got to the starting line 15 minutes into the race, details in my training
    week.
    Overall, I had only half the troubles in HM. :-)

  3. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396
    Finish 3:41:24

    Good job, Phil. Sounded like a tough day. At least you were able to
    avoid most of the heat. Some of the slower folks were apparently
    getting roasted.

  4. Quoted message said:

    "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396
    Finish 3:41:24

    Good job, Phil. Sounded like a tough day. At least you were able to
    avoid most of the heat. Some of the slower folks were apparently
    getting roasted.

    Thanks Mark. Check the runner's comments on Marathonguide.com.
    http://tinyurl.com/ysfusu. Some unhappy customers, to say the least.

    --
    Phil M.

  5. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    Location: Atlanta Georgia
    Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    humidity, 1 mph winds
    Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com

    We were keeping our eye on the weather channel to see if it was going to
    stop raining for race day. I was thinking about you when I saw the highs
    being forecast south of us. I'll take all the mud in the world over hot
    weather any day!

    Great work all considered.
    There's always Tybee Island!

    Parker

  6. Phil M. said:

    Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    Location: Atlanta Georgia
    Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    humidity, 1 mph winds
    Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com


    ....

    Quoted message said:


    I don't remember a whole lot about the race, which is probably a good
    thing since this report is already too long. I carried a 24-oz bottle in
    a waist pack. My plan was to refill it every 4 to 6 miles. When I got to
    the 4 mile water stop I saw the sign the said "PowerAde Station ahead."
    Great I'll finish off what I have and load up with another 24 oz of
    PowerAde. That should hold me until 10 miles. As I passed the water
    station, I didn't see any PowerAde. Soon it became apparent that there
    wasn't any PowerAde.

    In another group, they said they had run out of water. Hazards of new
    marathon and/or RD. Sounds like it was a good thing you had enough
    experience and options to make something work.

    ....

    Quoted message said:


    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with my performance.

    Fairly even splits, esp. considering the circumstances.

    Congratulations on a well-run race, esp. so with the warm, muggy
    conditions and lack of advertised aid on the course.

    Dot

    --
    "The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury."
    - John Hardy
    http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

  7. Great job Phil! Good that you were able to cover the
    Powerade goof-up by the organisers. That's exactly
    what you don't need when you're running a marathon...

    Given the potty-break, it looks like exactly even splits.

    Thanks for the report.

    Anthony.

  8. Phil M. said:

    I saw Piedmont Donald at around
    18 - 20 miles. I sprinted ahead of me to get my picture. That was fun
    and uplifting.

    Sounds like you had a out-of-body experience here. Nice!

    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Great job, Phil. And I really enjoyed this report. I even had the
    curious experience of getting ticked off (on your behalf) at the
    various forces of ineptitude that seemed to be conspiring against you
    that day.

  9. Dot dot.h@#duh?att.net said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Quoted message said:

    Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with my performance.

    Fairly even splits, esp. considering the circumstances.

    And the terrain. Certainly not a PR-type marathon. Elevation profile
    here: http://tinyurl.com/ytkuso. So expected slowdown at 6, 15, and 23
    miles.

    Quoted message said:

    Congratulations on a well-run race, esp. so with the warm, muggy
    conditions and lack of advertised aid on the course.

    Thanks Dot. The heat wasn't too bad for anyone finishing under 4
    hours. However, it hit a record high of 87F in the lat afternoon. Even
    the last place finisher would have been done by then.

    --
    Phil M.

  10. Tom B. said:
    Phil M. said:

    I saw Piedmont Donald at around
    18 - 20 miles. I sprinted ahead of me to get my picture. That was fun
    and uplifting.

    Sounds like you had a out-of-body experience here. Nice!

    PD informs me that the picture was taken at mile 24, not 18. So I
    definitely was out of body. Like I said, I don't remember much about
    the race.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    Quoted message said:

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Great job, Phil. And I really enjoyed this report. I even had the
    curious experience of getting ticked off (on your behalf) at the
    various forces of ineptitude that seemed to be conspiring against you
    that day.

    Thanks. I'm sure they'll get it right next year. The PowerAde fiasco
    aside, I'd say it was a well-run event. Nice course, if you don't mind
    some hills.

    --
    Phil M.

  11. Tom B. said:
    Phil M. said:

    I saw Piedmont Donald at around
    18 - 20 miles. I sprinted ahead of me to get my picture. That was fun
    and uplifting.

    Sounds like you had a out-of-body experience here. Nice!

    OK, I just now caught my error. lol

  12. Phil said:

    Race: ING Georgia Marathon

    Hey Phil, congrats on a job well done. With the various obstacles
    beginning with your trip to the race, it sounds more like a 26 mile
    steeplechase!

    Your train experience sounds worthy of NYC for sure.

    Is it common for you to remember few details about a run or race?
    Happens to me all the time: my "running memory" is nearly inaccessible
    when I'm stationary. Though fairly frequently, within the first mile
    of a run I'll suddenly recall various things from a prior run, often
    things which I instructed myself at the time "remember this after your
    run" - a funny slogan on a truck, a new store or restaurant which
    merits investigation, a good idea - and then of course promptly forgot
    once I got home.

    And I know what you mean about enjoying the training more than the
    event itself. That's not always the case for me, but sometimes.
    Certainly you better enjoy the training: it represents a whole lot
    longer time and effort spent than the race itself. To the end, I was
    glad to see you put together a cycle with no significant injury
    problems.

    Had you been thinking about qualifying for Boston as a goal, and/or
    wanting to return to Boston in the future?

  13. Phil M. said:

    Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    Location: Atlanta Georgia
    Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    humidity, 1 mph winds
    Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com

    Congrats Phil! Not an easy day with the heat and no Poweraid on course,
    you did well to pass up the other runners at the end. Sorry no BQ, but
    I'm sure you would have with a flat course and less heat. Thanks for the
    great report!

    Teresa in AZ

  14. Phil M. said:

    He said that they was no PowerAde on the course. In
    fact, they were completely out of PowerAde until I got to the 17 mile
    aid station. Everybody was [censored] about this throughout the course. On
    a day that ended up with a record high 87F, they had no PowerAde.

    gah! i know this has already been commented on, but wtf??? good for you
    for having a back-up plan. (note to self- have a back-up plan!)

    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    looks good 🙂 are you hoping to go to the next boston suffer fest? (you
    mentioned just missing a bq in your report).

    h

  15. Quoted message said:

    Is it common for you to remember few details about a run or race?
    Happens to me all the time: my "running memory" is nearly inaccessible
    when I'm stationary. Though fairly frequently, within the first mile
    of a run I'll suddenly recall various things from a prior run, often
    things which I instructed myself at the time "remember this after your
    run" - a funny slogan on a truck, a new store or restaurant which
    merits investigation, a good idea - and then of course promptly forgot
    once I got home.

    I guess it's like a dream. I also don't remember very much if any of my
    dreams. On a long run I think my brain shifts down a few gears and I enter
    a dream-like state. On shorter races I'm a little more awake.

    Quoted message said:

    Had you been thinking about qualifying for Boston as a goal, and/or
    wanting to return to Boston in the future?

    I'd like to qualify again. I think that given the right course and the
    right conditions I am/was in BQ shape. Subtracting all the what-ifs would
    have qualified me at this marathon. But yes, there's something about
    Boston. Not sure what it is, but I'd like to go back. How 'bout you? Wreck-
    running convention in Boston '08?

    --
    Phil M.

  16. Quoted message said:
    Phil M. said:

    He said that they was no PowerAde on the course. In
    fact, they were completely out of PowerAde until I got to the 17 mile
    aid station. Everybody was [censored] about this throughout the course.


    On

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a day that ended up with a record high 87F, they had no PowerAde.

    gah! i know this has already been commented on, but wtf??? good for you
    for having a back-up plan. (note to self- have a back-up plan!)

    What was really bad was the fact that they had these nice "PowerAde
    Station Ahead" signs. As I approached the aid stations I would just see
    water. Thinking to myself that the PowerAde was just ahead, I would pass
    up the water, fully expecting to see PowerAde just over the hill or right
    around the next corner. Then I start looking at the other runners asking
    if I just missed it, or what. If I had known at the start that there was
    zero PowerAde on the course, then I would have known to grab some water
    at the aid stations, but instead I passed by the first few aid stations
    expecting to eventually find the PowerAde.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    looks good 🙂 are you hoping to go to the next boston suffer fest? (you
    mentioned just missing a bq in your report).

    Thanks. I missed it by 6 minutes. But I really never expected to get that
    close, otherwise I might have planned my pace to pick it up at around the
    half way mark, or at least take care of all my "business" before the race
    starts.

    -
    Phil M>

  17. Quoted message said:

    Congrats Phil! Not an easy day with the heat and no Poweraid on course,
    you did well to pass up the other runners at the end. Sorry no BQ, but
    I'm sure you would have with a flat course and less heat. Thanks for the
    great report!

    Thanks Teresa. Overall, I really did have a good time, but that would make
    a boring race report. ;-)

    --
    Phil M.

  18. On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:11:40 GMT, "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipped>

    Great job Phil. A very good finish and another qualifying run.

    Frank

  19. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Race: ING Georgia Marathon
    Location: Atlanta Georgia
    Date/Time: Sunday, March 25, 2007, 7:00 AM
    Weather: Sunny, 7:00 AM - 56°F, 86% humidity. 11:00 AM - 78°F, 39%
    humidity, 1 mph winds
    Web Site: http://www.inggeorgiamarathon.com
    snip<
    My results
    Overall: 427 of ~5,000
    Age Group Men 50-59: 30 of 396

    When did you sneak into that age group, or were you there a while?

    Quoted message said:

    Here are my timing chip checkpoints
    10k 51:38
    Half 1:49:58
    20M 2:48:36
    Finish 3:41:24

    Great report, thanks Phil! Sounds like you made the best of a somewhat
    disjointed day and you ran an excellent time for the heat/crowds/powerade
    lapse. I have to wonder which atmosphere you enjoy more having done a few of
    both now: that of a big city marathon, or that of a trail ultra?

    -Tony

  20. Phil said:

    But yes, there's something about Boston. Not sure what it
    is, but I'd like to go back. How 'bout you? Wreck-running
    convention in Boston '08?

    Heh, that'd add some interest.

    Otherwise, no, I just don't feel that drawn to Boston. Of course it's
    got history and tradition and a bit of prestige from needing to
    qualify (though I gather there's plenty of slots these days for
    charity runners and others).

    OTOH as a major urban marathon in the Northeast, I'm just not sure the
    experience would be that different from what my local offers - except
    for Boston's (it's all relative!) sparser quieter crowd, smaller
    field, and quaint mid-sized city as a backdrop. I'd be more enticed
    by something completely different, whether that's a small-town (or no-
    town) race like Tom just ran, or a marathon in another country or at
    least different region, or gods forbid some trail hippy-fest. Plus
    I'd want to spend the winter somewhere other than NYC, were I
    committed to training for a spring marathon.

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