I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
Thanks,
D'ohBoy
yep. once ina while yawl have this problem. good luck with it. a new chain and cassette maybe the final answer. be stoic.
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
Thanks,
D'ohBoy
It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than anyone's fingers.
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
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The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
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I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
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I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
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D'ohBoy
It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than anyone's fingers.
-- Phil
Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards (clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only affects one direction of chain travel?
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
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The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
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I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
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I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
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It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than anyone's fingers.
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-- Phil
Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards (clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only affects one direction of chain travel?
D'ohBoy
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I predict that you will find that it is the Superlink. I recently switched to using superlink IV's on my Campy Ultra Narrow chain and had a problem similar to yours. Because the problem started only a few hundred miles after I put a new chain and link on I too thought it was a stiff link. But I could not find any problem by backpedaling or anything like that.
My cassette was relatively new so I ruled it out at first. Finally I rechecked the chain length using my Rohloff checker and found that there was a major difference when measured over the Superlink. Using a pair of calipers I found that the Superlink had worn (or was just off) by almost 0.010".
Sure enough, when I put the bike up on my stand and loaded the rear down with a rag while someone cranked the pedals I finally replicated the problem. The long link was hanging up on the tension side of the cassette, much like an overly worn chain would on a new cassette.
I put a spare Superlink on and it was better, but was still a few thou longer than the rest of the chain. After another couple of hundred miles the problem hasn't yet returned, but I've already picked up a few Wipperman links and plan to switch to them. Over the years that I used Wipperman chains I never had a problem with their links.
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D'ohBoy wrote: >I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link > somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the > symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the > sticky link cannot be seen.
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> The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted > click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it > comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky > link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal > stroke.
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> I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable > link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out > NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could > be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is > fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither > of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
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It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than anyone's fingers.
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Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards (clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only affects one direction of chain travel?
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I predict that you will find that it is the Superlink. I recently switched to using superlink IV's on my Campy Ultra Narrow chain and had a problem similar to yours. Because the problem started only a few hundred miles after I put a new chain and link on I too thought it was a stiff link. But I could not find any problem by backpedaling or anything like that.
My cassette was relatively new so I ruled it out at first. Finally I rechecked the chain length using my Rohloff checker and found that there was a major difference when measured over the Superlink. Using a pair of calipers I found that the Superlink had worn (or was just off) by almost 0.010".
Sure enough, when I put the bike up on my stand and loaded the rear down with a rag while someone cranked the pedals I finally replicated the problem. The long link was hanging up on the tension side of the cassette, much like an overly worn chain would on a new cassette.
I put a spare Superlink on and it was better, but was still a few thou longer than the rest of the chain. After another couple of hundred miles the problem hasn't yet returned, but I've already picked up a few Wipperman links and plan to switch to them. Over the years that I used Wipperman chains I never had a problem with their links.
-Mike
Thanks Mike for seconding my suspicions. I will replace the link and see how things go.
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
Thanks,
D'ohBoy
I have seen these links be 'sticky', on more than one occasion..why I use Wipperman links for all chains..9s and 10s ones. Remember, the wipperman has an up and down, or it may skip on an 11t..
I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the sticky link cannot be seen.
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The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal stroke.
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I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
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I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very annoying. HELP!
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Thanks,
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D'ohBoy
I have seen these links be 'sticky', on more than one occasion..why I use Wipperman links for all chains..9s and 10s ones. Remember, the wipperman has an up and down, or it may skip on an 11t..
Yah, the ends of the curved slot should point down (ish) when the link is on the bottom run of it's path (IIRC).
I had actually tried a Superlink years ago but had forgotten I didn't really like it's performance nor durability.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
D'ohBoy
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
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Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
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D'ohBoy
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles before they need changing.
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My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
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2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
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Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
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D'ohBoy
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a 5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano 105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after 2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains. Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10 speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way. So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
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Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
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D'ohBoy
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles before they need changing.
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My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
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2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
Hi Peter,
I agree that I maight be changing chains too often - but it could also be due to the extreme grit, salt, and slush conditions in which I train during the winter (Sweden). I don't soak the chains often, mainly wipe clean(ish), re-oil then wipe again.
I think in Colorado your roads department may be dumping the same sand etc on icy roads during wintertime. In which case, would you expect the life of a chain to reduce to the aforementioned 600 mi / 1000 km, or am I being overly paranoid in changing so often?
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS Superlinks I currently have.
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Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want more of those [censored] links.
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D'ohBoy
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a 5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano 105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after 2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains. Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10 speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way. So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
Russell,
For curiosity - you mention both Campag and Shima chains. Are you using them on each maker's drive train, or have you maybe found that it works well to use e.g. Shimano on both Shima and Campag cassettes?
For a Campag 10 drivetrain, my intention is to find a chain that is reliable, long-lasting, and easy-to-join. Low weight and price are not high priorities.
Maybe the answer is on Sheldon but I will look later.
(apologies if I am hijacking the OP's thread into different territory)
>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a >champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS >Superlinks I currently have.
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>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet >they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want >more of those [censored] links.
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While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
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I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
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I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
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My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
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2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
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I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
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Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
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I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a 5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano 105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after 2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains. Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10 speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way. So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
Russell,
For curiosity - you mention both Campag and Shima chains. Are you using them on each maker's drive train, or have you maybe found that it works well to use e.g. Shimano on both Shima and Campag cassettes?
For a Campag 10 drivetrain, my intention is to find a chain that is reliable, long-lasting, and easy-to-join. Low weight and price are not high priorities.
Maybe the answer is on Sheldon but I will look later.
(apologies if I am hijacking the OP's thread into different territory)
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I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9 speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup. Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link. Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost, reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be the same.
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I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9 speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup. Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link. Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost, reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be the same.
Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-) /Robert
>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a >champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS >Superlinks I currently have.
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>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet >they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want >more of those [censored] links.
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>D'ohBoy
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While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
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I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the chains wear (i.e. "stretch"😉 very early so I find myself changing them after ca. 1000 km.
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I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master link instead.
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They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles before they need changing.
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My questions: 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on a) the Record 10 b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
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Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
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2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
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I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
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Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
Hi Peter,
I agree that I maight be changing chains too often - but it could also be due to the extreme grit, salt, and slush conditions in which I train during the winter (Sweden). I don't soak the chains often, mainly wipe clean(ish), re-oil then wipe again.
I think in Colorado your roads department may be dumping the same sand etc on icy roads during wintertime. In which case, would you expect the life of a chain to reduce to the aforementioned 600 mi / 1000 km, or am I being overly paranoid in changing so often?
Thanks for your insights /Robert
I think they use magnesium chloride(?), a chemical melter rather than salt BUT if the bike(chain) gets really gooky on a ride, I'll take it off and clean it. Not hard and quick. Plastic bottle and mineral spirits...shake, shake, shake, remove, let dry, lube and ride the next day.
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I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9 speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup. Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link. Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost, reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be the same.
Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-) /Robert
I would certainly use a 6.05 mm wipperman link with a 5.9 mm wide chain. A 6.2 mm Wipperman link is very loose on the ultra narrow campa chain.
I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9 speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup. Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link. Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost, reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be the same.
Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-) /Robert- Hide quoted text -
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I use the wider 6.2 Wippermann 10 speed master link because that is what I have. Online places list the new narrow 6.05mm Wippermann master link for something like $13.99. Seems excessive to me. So I have not bought one. After many thousands of miles, the Wippermann 6.2mm master link seems to still work fine. Now on its second 10 speed chain. Someday I'll replace it. Don't know if the narrower 6.05 master link works better on 5.9mm chains. Have not tried the 6.05 master link yet. Most likely the 6.05mm master link does not work worse than the 6.2mm master link.
I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9 speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup. Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link. Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost, reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be the same.
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Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-) /Robert- Hide quoted text -
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I use the wider 6.2 Wippermann 10 speed master link because that is what I have. Online places list the new narrow 6.05mm Wippermann master link for something like $13.99. Seems excessive to me. So I have not bought one. After many thousands of miles, the Wippermann 6.2mm master link seems to still work fine. Now on its second 10 speed chain. Someday I'll replace it. Don't know if the narrower 6.05 master link works better on 5.9mm chains. Have not tried the 6.05 master link yet. Most likely the 6.05mm master link does not work worse than the 6.2mm master link.
You might check how much wear the pins on that link have. That will be the sloppiest link on a new chain and, although you may not notice it, the sprockets will suffer tooth deformation on the aluminum and extra wear on the steel ones. Compare its diametral pin wear to that of a pin of a discarded chain for comparison.
