Good wheels

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

What are your thoughts - about wheels I mean. Why I would want a
stupid lugged steel frame is a question I've already answered for
myself.

Less expensive wheelsouttaboxes often suffer from poor hubs along with
poor builds, too much eyewash in terms of spokes and decals...most are
short on reliability and long on marketing. $500 will get you a nice
wheelset based around Ultegra or Centaur hubs...

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

What are your thoughts - about wheels I mean. Why I would want a
stupid lugged steel frame is a question I've already answered for
myself.

If you know how to work on wheels, I would try Vuelta XRPs available
on ebay for $100 a wheels set. I would get them, check and tighten
spokes, overhaul hubs if too rough and and presto. I don't have a pair
yet but I may give them a try. They are heavy enough that should make
them pretty strong and have a high profile rim. For $100 who cares if
the last.

An old mavic reflex rim died on me so i ordered some alex a22 wheels
on ebay. They came with 36 spokes and cheap hubs. They seem to be just
fine. I paid $99 for the pair with tires and tubes. Ive been riding
them out of the box with no problems. they were almost the same as
getting a new rim and rebuilding them.

Andres

Quoted post said:

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

Quoted message said:

What are your thoughts - about wheels I mean. Why I would want a
stupid lugged steel frame is a question I've already answered for
myself.

If you know how to work on wheels, I would try Vuelta XRPs available
on ebay for $100 a wheels set. I would get them, check and tighten
spokes, overhaul hubs if too rough and and presto. I don't have a pair
yet but I may give them a try. They are heavy enough that should make
them pretty strong and have a high profile rim. For $100 who cares if
the last.

If you don't care about a $100 bill, please put one in a envelope and
send to me...thanks...

Quoted message said:

An old mavic reflex rim died on me so i ordered some alex a22 wheels
on ebay. They came with 36 spokes and cheap hubs. They seem to be just
fine. I paid $99 for the pair with tires and tubes. Ive been riding
them out of the box with no problems. they were almost the same as
getting a new rim and rebuilding them.

Andres

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

landotter said:

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

No, I won't be going too deep into Rivland. Black cork tape will do
fine thanks. I will be using a retarded Brooks saddle, though.

landotter said:

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

The Hobbits are forming a posse and lynch mob; better get outta Dodge
and lay low. ;-)

Joe Bernard said:

landotter said:

On Jun 21, 2:15 am, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

Quoted message said:

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Quoted message said:

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

No, I won't be going too deep into Rivland. Black cork tape will do
fine thanks. I will be using a retarded Brooks saddle, though.

Ass Hatchets are de rigeur.

Joseph

Ozark Bicycle said:

landotter said:

On Jun 21, 2:15 am, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
$500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

Quoted message said:

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Quoted message said:

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

The Hobbits are forming a posse and lynch mob; better get outta Dodge
and lay low. ;-)

I repent, then. 32H front 36 rear 105 hubs with DB Sapim/DT/Wheelsmith
spokes on polish CR18 hoops. 3X on both ends. Now put away that ball
of hemp twine, before I I start turning Californians into
Undergroundians.

landotter said:

On Jun 21, 1:36 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

On Jun 21, 11:05 am, landotter <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 21, 2:15 am, Joe Bernard <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type, and
> just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently y'all are
> accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My developementally
> disabled clients might have a bone to pick with that diagnosis!
> Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is rapidly evolving into
> a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow]. I think I've got a pretty
> good idea what the opinions of "Kry Syriums" are, but what about other
> $500.00-and-under pre-builts? Although I'm leaning toward traditional
> handbuilts, which would be expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke
> wheels might be an interesting choice for a bike like this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

Quoted message said:

The Hobbits are forming a posse and lynch mob; better get outta Dodge
and lay low. ;-)

I repent, then. 32H front 36 rear 105 hubs with DB Sapim/DT/Wheelsmith
spokes on polish CR18 hoops. 3X on both ends. Now put away that ball
of hemp twine, before I I start turning Californians into
Undergroundians.-

How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

All bikes will have Brooks saddles, mostly B-17, in honey

All bikes will have overpriced Nitto Racks

All bikes will have seriously overpriced, cutesy poo Nigel Smyth bags

Serious aspirants will want weirdly sized French tires

Don't forget the twine!

Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Ozark Bicycle said:

How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

All bikes will have Brooks saddles, mostly B-17, in honey

All bikes will have overpriced Nitto Racks

All bikes will have seriously overpriced, cutesy poo Nigel Smyth bags

Serious aspirants will want weirdly sized French tires

Don't forget the twine!

Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Snort. That's about right. I appreciate the idealization of Japanese
bike boom bikes which is one element of the Riv recipe. Those bikes
were utilitarian in design and proletarian in price. They've also
helped reintroduce all sorts of sensible things to the bicycle
community--but also so much retarded myth. Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up.

Like I mentioned in a post a while back--the Gunnar Sport seems to me
to be more of the sensible heir to the 80s sport touring bike
tradition. I combines practicality, and discards tedious fussiness
like hand waxed and crocheted cable housing runs.

FWIW, I took two short rides on a Brooks saddle last night, and as
always--they look great, but feel like [censored] and are fussy and
inconsistent. Woohoo! My butt likes Unicanitors/Rolls/Turbos and
similar saddles. The obsession of the Rivendites with the Brooks
saddle, which does work for a minority of butts--to the point of
people riding these saddles in pain and obligation as some sort of
secret perineal hair shirt--is eye rollingly silly.

landotter said:

On Jun 21, 2:25 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have Brooks saddles, mostly B-17, in honey

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have overpriced Nitto Racks

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have seriously overpriced, cutesy poo Nigel Smyth bags

Quoted message said:

Serious aspirants will want weirdly sized French tires

Quoted message said:

Don't forget the twine!

Quoted message said:

Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Snort. That's about right. I appreciate the idealization of Japanese
bike boom bikes which is one element of the Riv recipe. Those bikes
were utilitarian in design and proletarian in price. They've also
helped reintroduce all sorts of sensible things to the bicycle
community--but also so much retarded myth. Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up.

Like I mentioned in a post a while back--the Gunnar Sport seems to me
to be more of the sensible heir to the 80s sport touring bike
tradition. I combines practicality, and discards tedious fussiness
like hand waxed and crocheted cable housing runs.

FWIW, I took two short rides on a Brooks saddle last night, and as
always--they look great, but feel like [censored] and are fussy and
inconsistent. Woohoo! My butt likes Unicanitors/Rolls/Turbos and
similar saddles. The obsession of the Rivendites with the Brooks
saddle, which does work for a minority of butts--to the point of
people riding these saddles in pain and obligation as some sort of
secret perineal hair shirt--is eye rollingly silly.

And the OP says....wanna talk about wheels? I understand the Riv thing
can be taken to cult levels, just as the Trek /USPS thing was a few
years ago, but, geez you guys, some people just prefer one bike over
another. The same with saddles. I've tried Flites, 02Airs, Body
Geometry and plenty of other saddles. For me, Brooks isn't a
compromise of style over comfort; it's a compromise of comfort over
weight. I would rather put a lightweight saddle on a lightweight steel
bike, but the heavier one works for me. Can't argue about twine and
tweed bags, though. To each his own and all that, but, not for me.

Joe

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:46:24 -0000, landotter <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I took two short rides on a Brooks saddle last night, and as
always--they look great, but feel like [censored] and are fussy and
inconsistent.

Not long enough -- give it three or five years of solid riding and
you'll have a lifetime companion.

Quoted message said:

Woohoo! My butt likes Unicanitors/Rolls/Turbos and
similar saddles.

Is instant gratification all you care about? Sheesh.

--
JT
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In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:46:24 -0000, landotter <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I took two short rides on a Brooks saddle last night, and as
always--they look great, but feel like [censored] and are fussy and
inconsistent.

Not long enough -- give it three or five years of solid riding and
you'll have a lifetime companion.

If it takes more than a half dozen rides to be comfortable on a Brooks,
either it's set up seriously incorrectly or it's just not the saddle for
you. I find the Brooks Pro to be comfortable out of the box, maybe a
ride or three is necessary to dial it in. The Brooks Pro S is my wife's
favorite saddle (as in, she dislikes sitting one any other saddle).

My favorite saddle is a Brooks Team Pro I bought in 1977. 30 years and
maybe 100,000 miles so far. I've never found any plastic saddle that
was comfortable for 100 miles, and I've tried probably a dozen; the old
Rolls was the best of a bad lot. The Lepper Voyageur isn't bad, either,
but it's got a number of design flaws that affect its longevity. I can
ride 100 miles on the Voyageur without discomfort, but 150 miles would
be maybe a bit much.

OTOH I have a friend who rides the narrowest of ass hatchets (one of
those 90's clipped-corner things with no real rails) and is perfectly
comfortable for rides of any length. He never complains of saddle
discomfort and just rode a 600 km brevet on it. And another friend who
will ride nothing but Regals. A third who prefers Flites to any other
saddle. It's great that there are options out there.

If you're thinking about your saddle while you're out for a ride, you've
got the wrong saddle.

In article <[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

Joe Bernard said:

Hi and - wow. I'm new to this group, I'm more of a Riv/i-bob type,
and just read through two threads about Mavic wheels. Apparently
y'all are accustomed to being called [censored] over here. My
developementally disabled clients might have a bone to pick with
that diagnosis! Anyway, my planned Rivendell 650B day tourer is
rapidly evolving into a 700c go-fast bike [bike fast, rider slow].
I think I've got a pretty good idea what the opinions of "Kry
Syriums" are, but what about other $500.00-and-under pre-builts?
Although I'm leaning toward traditional handbuilts, which would be
expected on a Riv, I think racy low-spoke wheels might be an
interesting choice for a bike like this.

By interesting, you really mean "retarded", no? Riding your new bike
exclusively while wearing lederhosen would be interesting as well!
Don't forget the alpen horn clamps--only $500--but beautifully forged
in our small sister factory in Japan!

It's hard to tell if you are trying to make a point here and, if so,
what it might be.

Quoted message said:

Are you going to go the Tressostar direction with bar tape like a lot
of Riv folks do? Here's a hint: shellacking the tape only makes it
hard and uncomfortable. BUT, if you sprinkle it with sand while wet
and shellac again--you can suffer both vibratory and tactile
discomfort--something that will offer tremendous exclusivity compared
to those pusillanimous bikes that your LBS sells.

There's something wrong with Tressostar? It and similar products have
been in use for a long time and work fine. Maybe you preferred the
Grab-On foam handlebar covers that were so popular in the late 1970s. I
installed a lot of that [censored] on Ross bikes at the shop. Or maybe you-
like me- prefer spending $20 for faux cork tape that shreds on
contact... oops, my bike fell over- another $20 for new tape.

I used Tressostar for many years and had no complaints. It's not very
padded, of course, hence my preference for cork, but OTOH cloth bar tape
is much more secure when your hands are sweaty on a 95 degree day or in
the rain. Shellac is best used when you don't use aero brake levers; I
use areo levers because I've got hands like hams and non-aero levers are
far too small for comfort- and therefore I don't shellac bar tape. If
you do shellac bar tape, the twine thing is unnecessary. I don't get
the twine thing.

Joe Bernard said:

landotter said:

On Jun 21, 2:25 pm, Ozark Bicycle

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have Brooks saddles, mostly B-17, in honey

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have overpriced Nitto Racks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All bikes will have seriously overpriced, cutesy poo Nigel Smyth bags

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Serious aspirants will want weirdly sized French tires

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Don't forget the twine!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Quoted message said:

Snort. That's about right. I appreciate the idealization of Japanese
bike boom bikes which is one element of the Riv recipe. Those bikes
were utilitarian in design and proletarian in price. They've also
helped reintroduce all sorts of sensible things to the bicycle
community--but also so much retarded myth. Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up.

Quoted message said:

Like I mentioned in a post a while back--the Gunnar Sport seems to me
to be more of the sensible heir to the 80s sport touring bike
tradition. I combines practicality, and discards tedious fussiness
like hand waxed and crocheted cable housing runs.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, I took two short rides on a Brooks saddle last night, and as
always--they look great, but feel like [censored] and are fussy and
inconsistent. Woohoo! My butt likes Unicanitors/Rolls/Turbos and
similar saddles. The obsession of the Rivendites with the Brooks
saddle, which does work for a minority of butts--to the point of
people riding these saddles in pain and obligation as some sort of
secret perineal hair shirt--is eye rollingly silly.

And the OP says....wanna talk about wheels? I understand the Riv thing
can be taken to cult levels, just as the Trek /USPS thing was a few
years ago, but, geez you guys, some people just prefer one bike over
another.

Sorry, we were just joking around.....topic drift, etc. And, FWIW, all
my bikes are steel and I appreciate their many virtues.

You asked, in part, about putting modern, low-spoke count wheels on a
traditional "rivendell style" bike. I just recently saw a pic of some
Mavic or the other on a Riv; IMO, it looked silly, like putting mags
and low aspect ratio tires on a Jag XK120. Might work fine, but looks
dumb.

Quoted message said:

The same with saddles. I've tried Flites, 02Airs, Body
Geometry and plenty of other saddles. For me, Brooks isn't a
compromise of style over comfort; it's a compromise of comfort over
weight. I would rather put a lightweight saddle on a lightweight steel
bike, but the heavier one works for me.

I have an Ideale 92 (pretty much a French B-17) on one of my bikes.
Feels fine and I like the vintage look on that vintage (ca. 1975)
bike. But, IMO, it's no more comfy than the San Marco Regals and San
Marco Lazer on my other bikes. IMO, the whole slavish devotion to
Brooks is just another example of a part-of-the-herd cult thing. YMMV.

Quoted message said:

Can't argue about twine and
tweed bags, though. To each his own and all that, but, not for me.

landotter who? said:

Snort. That's about right. I appreciate the idealization of Japanese
bike boom bikes which is one element of the Riv recipe. Those bikes
were utilitarian in design and proletarian in price. They've also
helped reintroduce all sorts of sensible things to the bicycle
community--but also so much retarded myth. Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up....

Something in me wants to get a Rivendell, and put a Renn disc on the
back and a Hed Trispoke on the front, along with the skinniest Ti-rail
saddle on a carbon fiber seat post. It would also have a ten-speed
drivetrain with brifters.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

landotter said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Don't forget the twine!

Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Quoted message said:

Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up.

Sorry to butt in, but what twine? I have trouble understanding how
twine can be involved....

--

David L. Johnson

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

Tim McNamara said:

....
There's something wrong with Tressostar? It and similar products have
been in use for a long time and work fine. Maybe you preferred the
Grab-On foam handlebar covers that were so popular in the late 1970s. I
installed a lot of that [censored] on Ross bikes at the shop....

Kewl grips!!! <http://www.grabongrips.com/index.php?
main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=23>.

The other option is to wrap your bars in the handyman's secret weapon:
duct tape. It is even more impressive if the drop bars are inverted,
DUI cyclist style.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On Jun 21, 10:37 pm, "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]>

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On Jun 21, 2:25 pm, Ozark Bicycle
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How to be a "rugged individualist", Riv-style:

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Don't forget the twine!

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Never, ever, ever, criticize Chairman gRant

Every single Rivendell I've
seen built up around here has had the twine job on the bars. It's not
functional, but it's ugly--how clever! But the sheep lap it up.

Sorry to butt in, but what twine? I have trouble understanding how
twine can be involved....

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From the Official Cycling Hobbit source comes this:

http://tinyurl.com/2sgxxs

or, for the cautious;

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2sgxxs