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  1. Here goes:

    -Bought a 2004 Litespeed Sienna in 2004. Headset creaked like crazy.
    -Replaced everything (this took months to complete) and finally
    figured out that the frame headtube was manufactured improperly, so it
    would not fully accept the cups.

    -Sent the frame to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter explaining
    the problem and included measurements. Asked for a new headtube.

    -Litespeed refused to put in a new headtube and put in new cups
    (something that had been done earlier without success)
    -I asked them specifically to check measurements on the frame before
    sending it back, they refused saying QC would do that.
    -The frame came back with one cup very obviously (anyone could see it
    with a naked eye) not fully in the frame. (I have pictures if anyone
    is interested.)

    -Sent the frame back to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter asking
    for a new frame at proform price.

    -Litespeed refused a new frame idea and put in a new headtube. (At
    this point I've been without my frame for three months.) When I asked
    if they could check to make sure the headtube is faced, they assured
    me that QC would check that.

    -I made the mistake of _assuming_ the new headtube was installed
    correctly. After months of trying different components again, my shop
    has shown me that (again to the naked eye) that the headtube is 3
    degrees out of alignment compared to the seat tube, and the headtube
    is not faced.

    -I'd like to just bail on Litespeed altogether and try a different
    company.

    -I'm sure they will offer to "fix" the problem again, but how often
    can Ti be welded without cooking the tubes? Can they even fix the
    problem.

    Jay Wenner

  2. On Jun 13, 7:42 am, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here goes:

    -Bought a 2004 Litespeed Sienna in 2004. Headset creaked like crazy.
    -Replaced everything (this took months to complete) and finally
    figured out that the frame headtube was manufactured improperly, so it
    would not fully accept the cups.

    -Sent the frame to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter explaining
    the problem and included measurements. Asked for a new headtube.

    -Litespeed refused to put in a new headtube and put in new cups
    (something that had been done earlier without success)
    -I asked them specifically to check measurements on the frame before
    sending it back, they refused saying QC would do that.
    -The frame came back with one cup very obviously (anyone could see it
    with a naked eye) not fully in the frame. (I have pictures if anyone
    is interested.)

    -Sent the frame back to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter asking
    for a new frame at proform price.

    -Litespeed refused a new frame idea and put in a new headtube. (At
    this point I've been without my frame for three months.) When I asked
    if they could check to make sure the headtube is faced, they assured
    me that QC would check that.

    -I made the mistake of _assuming_ the new headtube was installed
    correctly. After months of trying different components again, my shop
    has shown me that (again to the naked eye) that the headtube is 3
    degrees out of alignment compared to the seat tube, and the headtube
    is not faced.

    -I'd like to just bail on Litespeed altogether and try a different
    company.

    -I'm sure they will offer to "fix" the problem again, but how often
    can Ti be welded without cooking the tubes? Can they even fix the
    problem.

    Jay Wenner

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....


  3. Quoted message said:

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    The new headtube is a standard headtube with a King headset.

    Jay

  4. Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    On Jun 14, 3:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    The new headtube is a standard headtube with a King headset.

    Jay

  5. Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Unless you don't like the ride of Aluminum. Very different ride
    qualities between Al and Ti, due to the gauge and diameter of the
    tubes.

  6. Sure the ride is different but one company stands behind its products
    and quality and another doesnt. I dislike aluminum road bikes but
    I'd rather have my fillings loosened than have to deal with a
    nonresponsive company. Steel is the best for road bikes..

    Hank Wirtz said:
    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Unless you don't like the ride of Aluminum. Very different ride
    qualities between Al and Ti, due to the gauge and diameter of the
    tubes.

  7. Quoted message said:

    Sure the ride is different but one company stands behind its products
    and quality and another doesnt. I dislike aluminum road bikes but
    I'd rather have my fillings loosened than have to deal with a
    nonresponsive company. Steel is the best for road bikes..


    On that we agree.

  8. On Jun 14, 1:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    The new headtube is a standard headtube with a King headset.

    Jay

    They should give you a new frame. Take them to small claims court.
    It'll ill cost you the same to file than to ship the frame.

    Andres

  9. "Hank Wirtz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sure the ride is different but one company stands behind its products
    and quality and another doesnt. I dislike aluminum road bikes but
    I'd rather have my fillings loosened than have to deal with a
    nonresponsive company. Steel is the best for road bikes..


    On that we agree.

    Non-sequitur. The performance of tubing material is irrelevant to the
    responsiveness of a company. A poor responding steel frame maker doesn't
    impugn the enitre classification of steel frames.

  10. Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 14, 3:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    {snip}

  11. Bill Sornson said:

    Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    .....and the "Lifetime Warranty" doesn't apply because the failure was
    "normal wear and tear"!

  12. Quoted post said:

    On Jun 14, 1:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    The new headtube is a standard headtube with a King headset.

    Quoted message said:

    Jay

    They should give you a new frame. Take them to small claims court.
    It'll ill cost you the same to file than to ship the frame.

    Andres

  13. Quoted post said:

    On Jun 14, 1:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Another reason to not have integrated headsets....- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    The new headtube is a standard headtube with a King headset.

    Quoted message said:

    Jay

    They should give you a new frame. Take them to small claims court.
    It'll ill cost you the same to file than to ship the frame.

    Andres

    forward your original post to all bike forums, magazines and bike
    shops you can find; cc to litespeed as well so they get the idea that
    a few bucks dedicated to customer satisfaction is worth more than the
    potiental loss in sales

  14. Quoted message said:

    -Sent the frame to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter explaining
    the problem and included measurements. Asked for a new headtube.

    Why did *you* send the frame back to Litespeed? *You* have no financial
    leverage with the company. The bike shop you purchased it from should be
    handling all this, and then things might happen appropriately. Yes, it would
    be great if every company treated every customer with a decent amount of
    respect and dedication to fixing problems, but they don't. In the real
    world, issues likes yours are best handled through the shop that sold you
    the (apparently defective) frame in the first place. Not because they did
    anything wrong, but because they're in a much better position to get the
    problem taken care of. Plus, along with the sale comes a responsibility to
    take care of problems that arise from that sale. If I had sold that bike or
    frame, I'd *want* to get it taken care of for the customer.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  15. Ozark Bicycle said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Quoted message said:

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    ....and the "Lifetime Warranty" doesn't apply because the failure was
    "normal wear and tear"!

    frame broke-life over!!

  16. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    -Sent the frame to Litespeed ($40) with a detailed letter explaining
    the problem and included measurements. Asked for a new headtube.

    Why did *you* send the frame back to Litespeed? *You* have no financial
    leverage with the company. The bike shop you purchased it from should be
    handling all this, and then things might happen appropriately. Yes, it would
    be great if every company treated every customer with a decent amount of
    respect and dedication to fixing problems, but they don't. In the real
    world, issues likes yours are best handled through the shop that sold you
    the (apparently defective) frame in the first place. Not because they did
    anything wrong, but because they're in a much better position to get the
    problem taken care of. Plus, along with the sale comes a responsibility to
    take care of problems that arise from that sale. If I had sold that bike or
    frame, I'd *want* to get it taken care of for the customer.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    I agree with everything you said Mike, BUT...along with 'unresponsive'
    frame makers are more than a few 'unresponsive' bike/frame
    resellers...I'd be willing to bet this was an online purchase and even
    if he is the original owner, lots of these places only want to see the
    color of your money and your back. Their attitude is 'I got yer $, now
    go away."...

  17. Bill Sornson said:

    Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    have /you/ seen any cracked and failed cannondales?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 14, 3:35 pm, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz" <[email hidden]>

    {snip}

  18. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    On Jun 14, 7:06 pm, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 14, 7:14 pm, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    > proven

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    Quoted message said:

    ....and the "Lifetime Warranty" doesn't apply because the failure was
    "normal wear and tear"!

    frame broke-life over!!

    Ain't that the truth! Catch 22: "Your Cannondale frame has a Lifetime
    Warranty - until it breaks".

  19. Quoted message said:

    Sure the ride is different but one company stands behind its products
    and quality and another doesnt. I dislike aluminum road bikes but
    I'd rather have my fillings loosened than have to deal with a
    nonresponsive company. Steel is the best for road bikes..

    as a big guy, i disagree. once frames get larger, elasticity of
    relatively small diameter thin walled steel tube becomes very apparent.
    aluminum tube can be drawn thin but with a much bigger diameter than
    steel tube, so it can address these issues. and while some can be
    jarring, not all are. the cannondale i had with curving rear stays was
    very comfy, as is the bianchi ev3 i still have. comfier than any of my
    steel bikes.

    Quoted message said:


    Hank Wirtz said:
    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven


    Unless you don't like the ride of Aluminum. Very different ride
    qualities between Al and Ti, due to the gauge and diameter of the
    tubes.

  20. "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    Little Jimmy Buttpacker ([email hidden]) top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Should have bought a Cannondale- Handmade in USA- world championship
    proven

    Till it cracks. And fails.

    have /you/ seen any cracked and failed cannondales?

    Yes. (Granted, they were mountain bikes.)

    It was more of a poke at butt-packer, however. Hell, all three mtb frames
    I've owned have developed cracks, so it's not just Crack'n'Fail.

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