bent one, car zero

Joshua Goldberg said:

... This is also the 1st time everyone seemed more concerned about how I was doing...usually
people are asking about the bent or checking their car for damages while I'm laying on the road
and being ignored....

Joshua,

My first concern would be to check the bike for damage - one does has to have one's priorities
in order. 😉

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
Dragonflyer

Joshua Goldberg said:

...I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are lost in space....

Glad to hear you weren't hurt, but this reminds me of an 'urban legend' survey in which 75% of car
drivers rated themselves as "above average" in driving skills. You don't see anything wrong with
passing a car which was in the process of a Y-turn?
--

John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
_________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____

Good to hear you're OK. I mean, if you're sure you *are* OK.

--
--Scott [email hidden] Cut the "tail" to send email.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well today I got hit by a car...yawn. The bent survived without a scratch, my body OTOH made a
nice big dent in the back rightside of a fairly new Korean car. Passenger and driver (both female)
get out and beg forgiveness....had it been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode. (trust
me..I know how). I was in a rush and just wrote it off as another driving hazzard. My left
shoulder, arm and hip hurt re: what caused the dent, but my jaw hurts too, which confused me since
my head didn't hit the car, I was also dizzy for a few hours, but that went away....maybe it was
the sudden jolt of coming to

a

Quoted message said:

dead stop suddenly. What caused the accident was the woman doing a U-Turn on a narrow street

and

Quoted message said:

she ran out of street and threw the car in reverse to try the turn again just as I rode passed the
back of her car. Odd feeling getting whacked

from

Quoted message said:

the side, usually I just get hit from the front or rear. This is also the 1st time everyone seemed
more concerned about how I was doing...usually people are asking about the bent or checking their
car for damages while

I'm

Quoted message said:

laying on the road and being ignored. I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are
lost in space....ah the joys of urban riding in winter.

No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million miles riding and I'm still
alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh Yeah...on bents my total distance is a mere 86,000
miles. All of my riding has been in a city core and the fact I am still alive and not eating through
a straw means I am a good cyclist. On every ride I do, I figure I have at (least) 5 near death
experiences daily. These are accidents that I manage to avoid via my riding experience. On any given
ride I clip at least 2 car door mirrors with my arm or shoulder, I have so many scratches on my
Mirror the black shell color is gone. As someone pointed out here I seem to like riding through
Excavations (true), but I also ride in places few cyclists would dare ride and I floor it at the
oddest times..gotta keep the car drivers guessing. Oh Yeah...I do NOT ride in the curb lane, I ride
with the cars in their lane, but sometimes I have to take to the curb/kerb lanes in fast traffic.

Oh Yeah...there are some days I am terrified of riding in the city core and simply won't ride that
day. Kind of a bad feeling/Vibe/premonition...whatever, but I know that if I ignore my gut
feeling....I'll end up in a wheelchair or coffin....and so far it has worked.
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"John Foltz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joshua Goldberg said:

...I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are lost in space....

Glad to hear you weren't hurt, but this reminds me of an 'urban legend' survey in which 75% of car
drivers rated themselves as "above average" in driving skills. You don't see anything wrong with
passing a car which was in the process of a Y-turn?
--

John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
_________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg forgiveness....had it been a male driver I
would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and passenger.
If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street fight. Absolutely
brilliant. You should write a book.

the book is in progress and..as for trying to initiate a street fight being Brilliant
(thankyou)....good that we both agree that this is what REAL men
do.
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"Steve in SC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg forgiveness....had

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and
passenger. If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street fight.
Absolutely brilliant. You should write a book.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million miles riding and I'm still
alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh Yeah...on bents my total distance is a mere 86,000
miles. All of my riding has been in a city core and the fact I am still alive and not eating
through a straw means I am a good cyclist. On every ride I do, I figure I have at (least) 5 near
death experiences daily. These are accidents that I manage to avoid via my riding experience. On
any given ride I clip at least 2 car door mirrors with my arm or shoulder, I have so many
scratches on my Mirror the black shell color is gone. As someone pointed out here I seem to like
riding through Excavations (true), but I also ride in places few cyclists would dare ride and I
floor it at the oddest times..gotta keep the car drivers guessing. Oh Yeah...I do NOT ride in the
curb lane, I ride with the cars in their lane, but sometimes I have to take to the curb/kerb lanes
in fast traffic.

Oh Yeah...there are some days I am terrified of riding in the city core and simply won't ride that
day. Kind of a bad feeling/Vibe/premonition...whatever, but I know that if I ignore my gut
feeling....I'll end up in a wheelchair or coffin....and so far it has worked.
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"John Foltz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joshua Goldberg said:

...I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are lost in space....

Glad to hear you weren't hurt, but this reminds me of an 'urban legend' survey in which 75% of
car drivers rated themselves as "above average" in driving skills. You don't see anything wrong
with passing a car which was in the process of a Y-turn?
--

John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
_________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____

A skilled rider avoids near accidents! Ever hear of defensive driving (Riding)? that many near
misses I'd start questioning myself. Von(I want to live) Creek; Screamer,V-REX

hmmmmm....an excellent cyclist tried to pass behind a car doing a u turn on a narrow street...myhap
some of those earlier incidents involved a brain injury??? ;-)

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Well today I got hit by a car...yawn. The bent survived without a scratch, my body OTOH made a
nice big dent in the back rightside of a fairly new Korean car. Passenger and driver (both female)
get out and beg forgiveness....had it been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode. (trust
me..I know how). I was in a rush and just wrote it off as another driving hazzard. My left
shoulder, arm and hip hurt re: what caused the dent, but my jaw hurts too, which confused me since
my head didn't hit the car, I was also dizzy for a few hours, but that went away....maybe it was
the sudden jolt of coming to

a

Quoted message said:

dead stop suddenly. What caused the accident was the woman doing a U-Turn on a narrow street

and

Quoted message said:

she ran out of street and threw the car in reverse to try the turn again just as I rode passed the
back of her car. Odd feeling getting whacked

from

Quoted message said:

the side, usually I just get hit from the front or rear. This is also the 1st time everyone seemed
more concerned about how I was doing...usually people are asking about the bent or checking their
car for damages while

I'm

Quoted message said:

laying on the road and being ignored. I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are
lost in space....ah the joys of urban riding in winter.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

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Well today I got hit by a car...yawn. The bent survived without a scratch, my body OTOH made a
nice big dent in the back rightside of a fairly new Korean car.

Hi Joshua,

First; I am so glad you were all right,

and second;

I guess those Koreans don't have to fire up their nuclear factorys after all-

they are killing us with Kias! ;-)

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

ok, I tried to be good, but I can't resist. If a real man initiates a street fight if the
accident is caused by a male, when two females cause the accident, it seems like some bartering
is in order...

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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the book is in progress and..as for trying to initiate a street fight

being

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Brilliant (thankyou)....good that we both agree that this is what REAL men
do.
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"Steve in SC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg

forgiveness....had

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and
passenger. If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street fight.
Absolutely brilliant. You should write a book.

Last year in my city 2,200 cyclists were hit by cars with several deaths, the year before 2,300
cyclists got hit and so far this year several (winter) cyclists have been hit. Defensive driving is
not always possible when you are dodging buses, tractor trailers and riding on roads with Streetcar
tracks. I use a 359mm Maxxis Hookworm on my front wheel and it goes into the Streetcar groove and
you cease to have steering control. A new trick Taxi Cabs have is, to avoid getting stuck between 2
parked cars, they back into the parking space on an angle, leaving 1/3 of the car sticking out into
what should be the bike lane, the cyclist has to swerve out into the car lane and they get hit by
the car behind them. In winter, you have to ride ONLY on streets that are well travelled by cars,
the car tire friction keeps the road clear of Black Ice. In better weather you can use quiet side
streets, but in Toronto all these streets have Speed Bumps and streets change direction re: you are
riding south and 2 blocks on a 10 block street and the street become "one way" going north and 3-4
blocks further it returns to being southbound only. The side streets are in horrible shape (on
purpose) in order to divert traffic into main traffic corridors and these are the corridors cyclists
use...because Toronto has 2 Universities @ 40,000 & 16,000 students and 2 Community college campuses
@ 16,000 students and 11 smaller colleges...lots of Highschools etc (all located on these busy
traffic corridors). I have had only 4 car/bike accidents in over 800,000 miles...of which I was back
riding again within 24 hours. I consider this a pretty good safety record.
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No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million

miles

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riding and I'm still alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh

Yeah...on

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bents my total distance is a mere 86,000 miles. All of my riding has been in a city core and the
fact I am still alive

and

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not eating through a straw means I am a good cyclist. On every ride I do, I figure I have at
(least) 5 near death experiences daily. These are accidents that I manage to avoid via my riding

experience.

Quoted message said:

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On any given ride I clip at least 2 car door mirrors with my arm or shoulder, I have so many
scratches on my Mirror the black shell color is gone. As someone pointed out here I seem to like
riding through

Excavations

Quoted message said:

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(true), but I also ride in places few cyclists would dare ride and I

floor

Quoted message said:

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it at the oddest times..gotta keep the car drivers guessing. Oh Yeah...I

do

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NOT ride in the curb lane, I ride with the cars in their lane, but

sometimes

Quoted message said:

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I have to take to the curb/kerb lanes in fast traffic.

Oh Yeah...there are some days I am terrified of riding in the city core

and

Quoted message said:

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simply won't ride that day. Kind of a bad feeling/Vibe/premonition...whatever, but I know that
if I ignore my gut feeling....I'll end up in a wheelchair or coffin....and so far it has worked.

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"John Foltz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Joshua Goldberg wrote:
> ...I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are lost in space....
>
Glad to hear you weren't hurt, but this reminds me of an 'urban legend' survey in which 75% of
car drivers rated themselves as "above average" in driving skills. You don't see anything
wrong with passing a car which was in the process of a Y-turn?
--

John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
_________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____

A skilled rider avoids near accidents! Ever hear of defensive driving (Riding)? that many near
misses I'd start questioning myself. Von(I want to live) Creek; Screamer,V-REX

what floored me was how easily the corner of the car dented in, I thought these cars are all
plastics now that resist dents.
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"Christopher Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

Well today I got hit by a car...yawn. The bent survived without a

scratch,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my body OTOH made a nice big dent in the back rightside of a fairly new Korean car.

Hi Joshua,

First; I am so glad you were all right,

and second;

I guess those Koreans don't have to fire up their nuclear factorys after

all-

Quoted message said:

they are killing us with Kias! ;-)

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

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hmmmmm....an excellent cyclist tried to pass behind a car doing a u turn

on

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a narrow street...myhap some of those earlier incidents involved a brain injury??? ;-)

So maybe Joshua's book will be entitled "Confessions of a Damaged Mind". I've heard that Josh is
somehow related to Chuck Barris. ;-)

Ofcourse the response depend on the recipient. Today I got "a bit mad" because a car passed me with
no safety distance at all going up a steep hill - no other traffic at all. I followed the car and
finally got to talk to the driver - a ~70yo male driver. I told him that he shouldent jeopardize my
life like that (politely), and he responded that he was afraid of the possibility of oncoming cars..
We ended the conversation nice, and he promised to think again next time. I doubt he will, but any
agressive reaction from me would be useless in the situation.

What would you do if an offender was a 6yo male? Hit the f***ing [censored]?

Maybe I can be co-writer on the book ?

Torben

"Steve in SC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg forgiveness....had

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and
passenger. If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street fight.
Absolutely brilliant. You should write a book.

Joshua Goldberg said:

... I use a 359mm Maxxis Hookworm on my front wheel...

I am only aware of the Hookworm being available in 53-305 mm (16x1.95), 53-406 mm (20x1.95), 65?-507
mm (24x2.5), and 65?-559 mm (26x2.5) sizes.

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Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
Dragonflyer

(Von) said:

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million miles riding and I'm still
alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh Yeah...on bents my total distance is a mere 86,000
miles. All of my riding has been in a city core and the fact I am still alive and not eating
through a straw means I am a good cyclist. On every ride I do, I figure I have at (least) 5 near
death experiences daily. These are accidents that I manage to avoid via my riding experience. On
any given ride I clip at least 2 car door mirrors with my arm or shoulder, I have so many
scratches on my Mirror the black shell color is gone. As someone pointed out here I seem to like
riding through Excavations (true), but I also ride in places few cyclists would dare ride and I
floor it at the oddest times..gotta keep the car drivers guessing. Oh Yeah...I do NOT ride in the
curb lane, I ride with the cars in their lane, but sometimes I have to take to the curb/kerb
lanes in fast traffic.

Oh Yeah...there are some days I am terrified of riding in the city core and simply won't ride
that day. Kind of a bad feeling/Vibe/premonition...whatever, but I know that if I ignore my gut
feeling....I'll end up in a wheelchair or coffin....and so far it has worked.
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"John Foltz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joshua Goldberg wrote:
> ...I am an excellent cyclist surrounded by car drivers who are lost in space....
>
Glad to hear you weren't hurt, but this reminds me of an 'urban legend' survey in which 75% of
car drivers rated themselves as "above average" in driving skills. You don't see anything wrong
with passing a car which was in the process of a Y-turn?
--

John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
_________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____

A skilled rider avoids near accidents! Ever hear of defensive driving (Riding)? that many near
misses I'd start questioning myself. Von(I want to live) Creek; Screamer,V-REX

I agree. I have ridden just as many miles in cities like New York, Miami,and Atlanta where the
traffic is mega-bad. I can count all the real problems I have had over the years, on my fingers.
Sounds like reading a copy of Effective Cycling and taking a course might be a good idea. I bet you
will realize that there are quite a few things you are doing incorrectly .

Bob

Age 60 is NOT that old, I'll be there myself in 8 years. I am not prone to physical violence. I am
however inclined to verbally state my position in a somewhat loud and abusive manner, combined with
a well understood hand gesture. Car drivers are NOT going to drive in a reckless fashion with the
immunity they have enjoyed in the past. An offshoot of the Police switching (in a big way) to
Bicycle patrols has been (at least in Toronto) the Police are coming down really hard on car drivers
and their stupid tricks. A few Bicycle cops have been injured by car drivers and the more it
happens, the more the Police will chase down and nail offending car drivers.

I have observed a greater degree of respect for cyclists happening downtown over the past 3 years.
Each year the respect level is increasing and hopefully by the time I do hit age 60...driving in the
city core will not be akin to driving through the gauntlet of doom.

I am remarkably courteous towards car drivers (who) treat me well. I wave, I smile, I salute, I have
even tapped on windows at stop lights to thank drivers for waiting for me cross and intersection
etc. I treat those with respect (who) treat me well. This will help them dealing with other cyclists
in the future.

OTOH You will not get the respect of car poor drivers (unless) you push back and let them know you
have rights as well.
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"Torben Scheel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ofcourse the response depend on the recipient. Today I got "a bit mad" because a car passed me
with no safety distance at all going up a steep hill - no other traffic at all. I followed the car
and finally got to talk to the driver - a ~70yo male driver. I told him that he shouldent

jeopardize

Quoted message said:

my life like that (politely), and he responded that he was afraid of the possibility of oncoming
cars.. We ended the conversation nice, and he promised to think again next time. I doubt he will,
but any agressive reaction from me would be useless in the situation.

What would you do if an offender was a 6yo male? Hit the f***ing [censored]?

Maybe I can be co-writer on the book ?

Torben

"Steve in SC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg

forgiveness....had

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and
passenger. If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street fight.
Absolutely brilliant. You should write a book.

UR correct, got my #s wrong again. I am still NOT getting the hang of converting Imperial to Metric.
A few months ago I sent a nice Email to a Suspension Fork manufacturer in Taiwan asking them why
they do (not) make a 305mm fork for my 406mm front wheel. The reply went something like: you want us
to Re-Tool and do WHAT??, before we do what you ask, pleeeez check the batteries in your calculator.
(I didn't know anyone in Taiwan had a sense of humour).
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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joshua Goldberg said:

... I use a 359mm Maxxis Hookworm on my front wheel...

I am only aware of the Hookworm being available in 53-305 mm (16x1.95), 53-406 mm (20x1.95),
65?-507 mm (24x2.5), and 65?-559 mm (26x2.5) sizes.

< maxxis.comproductDetail.aspOpen ↗ > <
maxxis.comproductDetail.aspOpen ↗ > <
maxxis.comproductDetail.aspOpen ↗ > <
maxxis.comproductDetail.aspOpen ↗ >

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
Dragonflyer

car poor drivers...should be "poor car drivers"...hmmm (not car drivers who are financially
poor),,,,but car drivers who drive poorly....lets replace poorly with badly.
*************
"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Age 60 is NOT that old, I'll be there myself in 8 years. I am not prone to physical violence. I am
however inclined to verbally

state

Quoted message said:

my position in a somewhat loud and abusive manner, combined with a well understood hand gesture.
Car drivers are NOT going to drive in a reckless fashion with the immunity they have enjoyed in
the past. An offshoot of the Police switching (in a big way) to Bicycle patrols has been (at least
in Toronto) the Police are coming down really hard on car drivers and their stupid tricks. A few
Bicycle cops have been injured by

car

Quoted message said:

drivers and the more it happens, the more the Police will chase down and nail offending car
drivers.

I have observed a greater degree of respect for cyclists happening

downtown

Quoted message said:

over the past 3 years. Each year the respect level is increasing and hopefully by the time I do
hit age 60...driving in the city core will not

be

Quoted message said:

akin to driving through the gauntlet of doom.

I am remarkably courteous towards car drivers (who) treat me well. I wave,

I

Quoted message said:

smile, I salute, I have even tapped on windows at stop lights to thank drivers for waiting for me
cross and intersection etc. I treat those with respect (who) treat me well. This will help them

dealing

Quoted message said:

with other cyclists in the future.

OTOH You will not get the respect of car poor drivers (unless) you push

back

Quoted message said:

and let them know you have rights as well.
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"Torben Scheel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ofcourse the response depend on the recipient. Today I got "a bit mad" because a car passed me
with no safety distance at all going up a steep hill - no other traffic at all. I followed the
car and finally got to

talk

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to the driver - a ~70yo male driver. I told him that he shouldent

jeopardize

Quoted message said:

my life like that (politely), and he responded that he was afraid of the possibility of oncoming
cars.. We ended the conversation nice, and he promised to think again next time. I doubt he
will, but any agressive reaction from me would be useless in the situation.

What would you do if an offender was a 6yo male? Hit the f***ing

[censored]?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe I can be co-writer on the book ?

Torben

"Steve in SC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> > Passenger and driver (both female) get out and beg

forgiveness....had

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

> > been a male driver I would have in2 psycho mode.

I find it interesting that you respond to an accident based on the sex of the driver and
passenger. If it's a female forget about it. But if it's a male try to initiate a street
fight. Absolutely brilliant. You should write a book.