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  1. english.pravda.ru91911 telekom doping 0

    Jan Ullrich’s former teammate has admited using banned performance-enhancing drugs with the assistance of two team doctors.

    Bert Dietz said he was introduced to the use of the blood booster EPO by the two doctors(www.frankieandreu.com)

    Bert Dietz, who rode for the Telekom team between 1994 and 1998, said he was introduced to the use of the blood booster EPO by the two doctors, Andreas Schmid and Lothar Heinrich.

    Dietz spoke in an interview on national television late Monday and became the first rider to acknowledge doping among the team, now known as T-Mobile.

    He did not implicate any other riders from the team, but said they must have been aware of what was going on.

    Dietz said the two doctors introduced EPO in 1995, explaining the way it functions and the risks connected to taking it.

    "If we wanted to ride at the top, we would likely have to take it," Dietz said.

    "They offered it, but in such a form that everyone knew: If I don't take it now, I'll probably have such bad results at the of the season that my contract would not be extended. It was clear," Dietz said.

    The two doctors were recently suspended by the team.

    Dietz' admission follows revelations by former Telekom massage therapist Jed d'Hont earlier this month.

    According to d'Hont, two doctors supplied EPO to former Tour de France winners Bjarne Riis and Jan Ullrich and other riders and the substance was supplied by the University of Freiburg clinic.

    D'Hont worked for the team from 1992-96. Riis won the 1996 Tour and Ullrich finished second. Ullrich won the 1997 Tour.

    Ullrich retired in February after being implicated in the Spanish doping scandal, but he has denied ever taking performance-enhancing drugs. Riis and the two doctors also have denied doping.

    T-Mobile said Tuesday it would revise its cooperation with the Freiburg clinic at the end of the season.

  2. Thanks for that Wicklow200.

  3. This is the Jan Ullrich fall out..... a lot of former T-Mobile riders will be [censored] than Jan got done whilst the docs administering the young boys with EPO got away with it... well not anymore... I just hope T-Mobile the company have enough faith to stay in the game after this and when all the others fess up.... in addition to all the other team doctors who still work whilst the riders are dropping like nine pins....

  4. whiteboytrash said:

    This is the Jan Ullrich fall out..... a lot of former T-Mobile riders will be [censored] than Jan got done whilst the docs administering the young boys with EPO got away with it... well not anymore... I just hope T-Mobile the company have enough faith to stay in the game after this and when all the others fess up.... in addition to all the other team doctors who still work whilst the riders are dropping like nine pins....


    The docs won´t get away with it. Professor Franke has already sued them and the public prosecutor at Freiburg has already begun to investigate this case. Moreover the University Clinic has set up a group of independent experts for investigation , among them Prof. Wilhelm Schänzer of Cologne.

  5. More details here:

    Bert Dietz, who rode for Team Telekom from 1994 to 1998, has confirmed that team doctors provided EPO (Erythropoietin) and other illegal doping products to its riders. In an appearance Monday night on German television, he upheld the charges made by former soigneur Jef d'Hondt concerning the team doctors Andreas Schmid and Lothar Heinrich.

    "When the doctors were there, they gave us the shots themselves," Dietz said on television program Beckmann. "When they weren't there, then the soigneurs did it, that is, Jef d'Hondt."

    T-Mobile responded promptly to the allegations, referring to its new anti-doping program. "This is a rerun of concrete allegations," Christian Frommert, head of Sponsoring Communication for sponsor Deutsche Telekom, told Cyclingnews. "It becomes more and more clear that our [new anti-doping] course is very important and the only way to go. This is our way for the future, but we are looking at the past as well, together with Rolf Aldag and the current management."

    Aldag, who was named Sport Director of the team last fall, rode for Team Telekom/T-Mobile from 1993 to 2005. He has claimed to know nothing about doping within the team and said that he never used the products.

    Dietz rode for Telekom from 1994 to 1998 and for Team Nürnberger from 1999 to 2000. He was not on Telekom's winning Tour de France teams in 1996 or 1997 but he did win a stage of the Vuelta a España 1995.

    He refused to say which other riders were involved. When asked specifically about Tour winners Bjarne Riis and Jan Ullrich, he responded "I am here to tell my story," saying that he didn't want to put the finger on anyone else.

    Dietz is now only indirectly involved with cycling, as he runs a sporting goods store. He does not expect any direct consequences for his confession, as might someone who is still active either as a rider or in management. "Other riders must be afraid of losing their job and never again being hired by a team," he noted.

    If he wasn't willing to implicate his former teammates, he was ready enough to speak out against Schmid and Heinrich. At first it was cortisone. But in 1995, he said, the doctors told the riders about EPO.

    "It was a training camp on Mallorca in the spring. The doctors were becoming more and more involved in our training plans, at the wish of Telekom. In individual discussions, which they held with everyone, they first described the general situation in cycling. Then they came to the specific situation of Team Telekom; that we have pressure on us in the spring. And when we wanted to ride in the front, then we would probably have to try this new product. It was roughly explained how it worked and what side-effects and risks it had. That was, in principle, the decision, that we would do it."

    At the time, there were no doping tests to detect EPO usage. "Later we had to be more careful." He eventually had his own centrifuge to conduct his own controls, so that he his blood values didn't go too high.

    Asked if the doctors simply offered the EPO or whether they ordered the riders to take it, Dietz responded, "They offered it, but of course in such a way that everyone knew 'If I don't take this now, then probably I will have such bad results at the end of the year, that my contract won't be extended.' So, yes, it was pretty obvious."

    Most of the riders had only one or two year contracts, and to receive extensions, the riders were expected to show good results in the spring. "The Henninger Turm race [held on May 1] was usually the limit."

    In other words, the riders doped because they were afraid that otherwise they would lose their jobs. "You want to pursue your career. You realize, 'I can't do with normal means.'" The riders had to trust the doctors blindly, Dietz noted. "We often didn't know what they were giving us."

    Telekom suspended its relationship with Schmid and Heinrich earlier this month after d'Hondt's book appeared, in which he named them as providing doping to the team. The Freiburg University Clinic, with which they are associated, is also conducting its own investigation into the charges. Both doctors have proclaimed their innocence.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may22news2

  6. I'm a little surprised at the small number of posts on this thread. I guess it is just me, but for some reason this piece of news is a big deal to me. It's someone not currently attached to the industry, someone not involved in a nitpick/fight with someone else, someone just out of the blue.

    Unwilling to talk about individual riders, but I'm ok with that since doctors/team staff are being pointed out.

    Well, maybe because it is a follow-up to someone else. But it is pretty strong confirmation of what they said.

  7. JR : It is a news story I agree and something that appears to be very serious.

    Looking at it, I would suggest that Rolf Aldag looks to be compromised - given the fact TMO made a big deal about having a "clean" policy and his being a member of TMO for the period in question.
    If TMo were indeed doping in that period - I fail to see how Aldag was not doping given he was part of that team at that time.

  8. Yes, this was quite a shocking news story for me too. iIf there were any doubts that every team was doping with EPO in the 90's, then surely this is it.

    He seems to be a quite credible witness, with no axe to grind. In fact Im taking his word as the gospel truth

    Aldag is surely in trouble. Wasn't it Aldag that was shouting his mouth off over Ullrich some months ago?

    The story does bring up the slim possibility that EPO was only administered to the domestiques on the team so that they could be up to speed for big tours

    Its all sadly predictable. Team doctors approach a rider, tell him to take this juice because it will help to achieve results. All the Italians are on it already. If you don't comply, and don't achieve results, then you're an ex-pro. You've got until May 1.

    I've said it before - the riders are only pawns in the greater scheme of things. Willing pawns its true, but then you have to look at what willingness means in this context.

  9. Telekom/T-Mobile are hypocritical. I'd venture they all knew about the systemic doping at the team. Same goes for Riis and CSC.

    Sadly, it seems that the operating scenario is .. if a rider gets caught (i.e. Jan, Basso, etc.) feign ignorance and shock, jettison rider, and carry on with the same old doping regime.

    T-Mobile's "new" way seems to be to employ doctors who SUGGESTED AND INJECTED EPO into the Telekom riders over a period of many years, all the while claiming to be squeaky clean.

    Do these people not do any due diligence. Did they really think that Telekom teams were clean save for the Bad Boy Jan?

  10. I don't see what the big deal is. This might have been news in 1997.

    Team doctors gave out EPO? Really? Who would have thought. I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.

    T-Mobile does seem to be cleaning house. It just doesn't seem they were aware that it would be easier to knock the house down and build a new one. Does anyone think that the U.S. Postal Service is aware of what was going on at Tail Wind Sports? The Sponsors pay their money and get to occassionally ride in the team car.

  11. limerickman said:

    JR : It is a news story I agree and something that appears to be very serious.

    Looking at it, I would suggest that Rolf Aldag looks to be compromised - given the fact TMO made a big deal about having a "clean" policy and his being a member of TMO for the period in question.
    If TMo were indeed doping in that period - I fail to see how Aldag was not doping given he was part of that team at that time.

    I'd say it sucks to be Rolf right now. From cyclingnews:

    Meanwhile, only days after telling Cyclingnews that T-Mobile was committed to its sponsorship of cycling until the end of 2010, Frommert told spiegel.de on Tuesday that "right now the question doesn't arise but we will address the question and can't give a guarantee for eternity." The firm will "come to a very clear decision" within the next few days as to whether to honour its sponsorship contract.

    One thing that the sponsor and the team will have to consider is the position of directeur sportif Rolf Aldag, who rode for Telekom from 1993 to 2005 and has claimed to know nothing about doping within the team. "We will hold intensive talks with Rolf in the next few days," Frommert told Süddeutsche Zeitung, adding "Of course we know that Rolf Aldag is also involved."

    The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported that Aldag has been considering for several weeks whether he should make a complete confession about his past, and had allegedly considered whether his former room mate Erik Zabel should participate.

  12. Bro Deal said:

    I don't see what the big deal is. This might have been news in 1997.

    Team doctors gave out EPO? Really? Who would have thought. I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.

    T-Mobile does seem to be cleaning house. It just doesn't seem they were aware that it would be easier to knock the house down and build a new one. Does anyone think that the U.S. Postal Service is aware of what was going on at Tail Wind Sports? The Sponsors pay their money and get to occassionally ride in the team car.

    BD I'm with you..... its not that big of a deal in the context when we already know the 98% of the peleton was on the gear then they must have been getting it from somewhere ! and with you on USPS..... and every other team in the peleton.... fark me it was the 90's ! EPO was like e in the clubs.... everyone was doing it and the kids didn't go there to dance just to music...

  13. kennf said:


    The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported that Aldag has been considering for several weeks whether he should make a complete confession about his past, and had allegedly considered whether his former room mate Erik Zabel should participate.


    This could be a good thing. If ex-riders are allowed to come forward and not face consequences then we could see enough confess that omerta in the old guard breaks down.

  14. This is a big deal!

    Also refer to cyclingnews.comnews.php

    Quoted post said:


    Telekom doping scandal extends

    Revelations of systematic doping within Team Telekom (now T-Mobile) during the 1990s continued on Tuesday with a new confession and suspensions of the team doctors involved.

    Christian Henn, a Telekom rider from 1995 to 1999 and now a directeur sportif with Gerolsteiner, echoed the confession of former team-mate Bert Dietz. "I was involved, too," he told Cologne newspaper Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger. "That's how it was at the time, otherwise you just couldn't keep up."

    Henn retired after testing positive for testosterone which he attributed to an Italian herbal remedy he was using to help increase his fertility. Following his retirement, Henn said it became clear that "if I ever get another job in cycling, then only without doping."

    Despite the admission, Gerolsteiner team manger Hans-Michael Holczer said Henn would not lose his job with the team. "There are two possibilities: I can either keep Christian Henn on, or I can suspend or fire him," Holczer told netzeitung.de. "The latter would support the 'cartel of silence', as they say, and that is something that we don't want. We stand for a new era in cycling, for a new basis, and Christian Henn has done outstanding work towards that in the last years. I assume that he will stay with us."

    Gerolsteiner's sponsorship contract runs through the 2008 season, but according to the Süddeutsche Zeitung, the firm is already considering either ending the contract early or not extending it, because of the ongoing doping problems associated with cycling.

    T-Mobile and University Clinic end association

    The T-Mobile Team has officially ended its working relationship with the Freiburg University Clinic following Bart Dietz's allegations on German TV that clinic doctors Andreas Schmid and Lothar Heinrich gave EPO shots to Telekom riders in the mid-1990s.

    Christian Frommert, director of sports communications at T-Mobile, said Tuesday morning that the clinic would no longer be responsible for the team's medical care.

    The clinic issued a press release Tuesday afternoon announcing it had suspended both doctors until the situation was explained. "The University of Freiburg also assumes that Telekom will also appoint an investigatory committee, so that the charges raised by Mr. Dietz against the Telekom cycling team can be cleared up as soon as possible," read the press release.

    "As long as the charges against the cycling team and its environment have not been explained, there is no more basis for a trust-filled cooperation between the University Clinic and Telekom. Therefore the University Clinic is withdrawing its three remaining doctors from the team, effective immediately."

    T-Mobile to reconsider sponsorship

    Meanwhile, only days after telling Cyclingnews that T-Mobile was committed to its sponsorship of cycling until the end of 2010, Frommert told spiegel.de on Tuesday that "right now the question doesn't arise but we will address the question and can't give a guarantee for eternity." The firm will "come to a very clear decision" within the next few days as to whether to honour its sponsorship contract.

    One thing that the sponsor and the team will have to consider is the position of directeur sportif Rolf Aldag, who rode for Telekom from 1993 to 2005 and has claimed to know nothing about doping within the team. "We will hold intensive talks with Rolf in the next few days," Frommert told Süddeutsche Zeitung, adding "Of course we know that Rolf Aldag is also involved."

    The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported that Aldag has been considering for several weeks whether he should make a complete confession about his past, and had allegedly considered whether his former room mate Erik Zabel should participate.

    Reactions

    Various names in the German cycling scene have commented on the Dietz confession and its implications for the individuals involved, T-Mobile, and German cycling in general. Jörg Jaksche, who rode for Team Telekom between 1999 and 2000 and is currently suspended from his Tinkoff team because of possible involvement in Operacion Puerto, said Dietz "sounded honest and made it clear, that we are the weakest link in the chain. Riders are being fired or suspended, while others continue to take their seat in the team cars."

    IOC vice-president Thomas Bach of Germany called Dietz's words "a brave step that we hope will send a signal". Bach is also president of the German Olympic Committee (DOSB), and said that the DSOB would not work with the Freiburg Clinic again unless the charges are "quickly and thoroughly cleared up, and it was clear that the clinic had not been involved in the doping case".

    Rudolf Scharping, head of the German cycling federation (BDR) said: "The BDR is sure that the sponsor of the cycling team, the prosecuting attorneys, and the investigation committee of the Freiburg Clinic will provide a consequent and quick explanation of the facts, without any reservations."

  15. As I was saying, this is a BIG DEAL!

    Sure it might have been big news in 1997, however slowly, in dribs and drabs; the truth of cycling’s institutionalized doping is coming out. For once these ex-riders are not being ridiculed by their statements.

    They are being taken seriously!

    As more ex and / or current riders come forward and tell the truth more and more pieces of the doping underworld will be revealed. This is fantastic news for the sport.

    Sure, it is going to cause a lot of pain and hurt first, it could see a lot of sponsorship dollars leaving the sport over the short term, but this has to happen.

    This incident alone potentially implicates two Tour winners and a six time winner of the green jersey.

    I am hoping as more people come forward or are simply found to be guilty of doping that this snowball effect continues. We may eventually have a clean sport.

  16. Rhubarb said:

    As I was saying, this is a BIG DEAL!

    Sure it might have been big news in 1997, however slowly, in dribs and drabs; the truth of cycling’s institutionalized doping is coming out. For once these ex-riders are not being ridiculed by their statements.

    They are being taken seriously!


    I am just saying that there is no surprise here. [censored] Voet revealed the situation a decade ago.

    In order for it to grow be a big deal, you need ex-pros who served on multiple teams to implicate teams other than T-Mobile. They need to name the doctors and team staff who participated. If it stays confined to Germany then there will still be people who will dismiss it. Just wait for musette to make an appearance.

  17. Bro Deal said:

    I am just saying that there is no surprise here. [censored] Voet revealed the situation a decade ago.

    In order for it to grow be a big deal, you need ex-pros who served on multiple teams to implicate teams other than T-Mobile. They need to name the doctors and team staff who participated. If it stays confined to Germany then there will still be people who will dismiss it. Just wait for musette to make an appearance.

    Discovery Channel is the best and cleanest team in the world, they have never tested positive, Bruyneel is the most intelligent DS and Hincapie will win the Tour this year. Oh and Armstrong is god.

    See don't need Musette !

    😉

  18. During the beginning of the 90's we have seen the "peloton at 2 speeds", then there was just one speed till the last years when some teams was forced to leave some PEDs.
    Even Disco was cleaner the last year on TDF, their results were significantly lower than precedent TDF despite less team on PEDs because of OP.

  19. Bro Deal said:

    I am just saying that there is no surprise here. [censored] Voet revealed the situation a decade ago.


    OK but T Mobile was supposed to be one of the cleanest teams out there. How many times was it pointed out that rider X's level fell with T Mobile and went through the roof again after joing a different team. T Mobile seemed to be the benchmark.

    Ullrich and Sevilla got done, but there was no indication that there was team sponsored doping. I think most people imagined they were operating independently

    The significance of this is that it puts to rest arguments that any team was clean.

  20. earth_dweller said:

    Discovery Channel is the best and cleanest team in the world, they have never tested positive, Bruyneel is the most intelligent DS and Hincapie will win the Tour this year. Oh and Armstrong is god.

    See don't need Musette !

    😉

    That's wrong! The "g" should be capitolized.

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