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  1. What diet considerations can/should be taken for someone who has Type II diabetes and congestive
    heart failure? My father has had some success in the past in controlling his sugar levels with a low
    carb diet. However, since being diagnosed with CHF, and subsequently trying to eat less sodium, he's
    driving himself crazy trying to figure out what he should and shouldn't be eating.

    To make matters worse, since he has started taking meds for the CHF (Digoxin, Lasix and Klor-Con),
    his sugar has been running consistently over 200. He is also on insulin, Glucophage and Notriptyline
    (for neuropathy). He is overweight - probably needs to lose at least 50 pounds - and is having a
    hard time with his energy levels. The CHF meds seems to currently be keeping all symptoms except
    fatigue under control.

    His doctor says there is nothing that can be done - can't stop taking any of the meds and the
    perfect diet is impossible.

    So his choice is choosing whether he wants to die from complications of diabetes or CHF???

    My father is planning to see a nutritionist soon. However, any advice or suggestions here would
    certainly be appreciated, as well.

    Thanks.

  2. I am sorry to hear about your father's condition.

    A news report was just released that said our # 1 Health problem was none other than being
    overweight. Cause obesity is related to many health problems such as the ones your father have.

    washingtonpost.comA29937 2003Oct28

    The doc is right that there is "no perfect" diet. I would suggest your father stay away from the
    simple carbs and eat complex carbs. Make sure he is getting enough fiber as well - 30g a day.

    Glad you are seeking a nutritionist advice. Might not hurt to get 2 opinions either if that is an
    option for him.

    Hope he gets better,

    Trent

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    sci.med.nutrition Date: 28 Oct 2003 18:40:31 -0800 Subject: diet confusion

    What diet considerations can/should be taken for someone who has Type II diabetes and congestive
    heart failure? My father has had some success in the past in controlling his sugar levels with a
    low carb diet. However, since being diagnosed with CHF, and subsequently trying to eat less
    sodium, he's driving himself crazy trying to figure out what he should and shouldn't be eating.

    To make matters worse, since he has started taking meds for the CHF (Digoxin, Lasix and Klor-Con),
    his sugar has been running consistently over 200. He is also on insulin, Glucophage and
    Notriptyline (for neuropathy). He is overweight - probably needs to lose at least 50 pounds - and
    is having a hard time with his energy levels. The CHF meds seems to currently be keeping all
    symptoms except fatigue under control.

    His doctor says there is nothing that can be done - can't stop taking any of the meds and the
    perfect diet is impossible.

    So his choice is choosing whether he wants to die from complications of diabetes or CHF???

    My father is planning to see a nutritionist soon. However, any advice or suggestions here would
    certainly be appreciated, as well.

    Thanks.

  3. "piggypot" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    What diet considerations can/should be taken for someone who has Type II diabetes and congestive
    heart failure?

    You may want to contact a nutritionist at the Pritikin center and ask for a consult there have been
    a lot of studies published on the results of a Pritikin diet with respect of heart disease and
    diabetes I think you can ask for information to decide whether Pritikin program make sense to you or
    not If you decide that it does, your father could try the Pritikin program (3 weeks) where he will
    see a nutritionist, an oncologist, a cardiologist, a neurologist and a endocrinologist so will have
    a personal check-up with personalized medical suggestions for his condition. He will have to do
    exercises with an exercise physiologist who will also find the better exercise routine for your
    father condition. He will have also to attend lecture on nutrition by nutritional professors During
    the 3 weeks all his blood parameters will be monitored If the program is effective he should
    experience a reduction to safe level of fasting glucose and 60% reduction of glycosylated hemoglobin
    levels, 45% reduction of insulin levels, 25% cholesterol level, 33% reduction on triglycerides
    level, 30% reducton of high blood pressure, 20% increase of blood flow to the coronary arthery and
    massive reduction of post-prandial lipemia I highly suggest to contanct the center and ask for more
    information If you want just to give it a try, remember that it's only 2-3 weeks to see really
    massive improvement So, if the program won't keep the promises you can looking for other alternative
    or different approach, if it does your father should continue with it

    These are Pritikin contancts:

    Tel: (800) 327-4914 / (305) 935-7131 Fax: (305) 935-7111 Email: [email hidden]

    You can also specifically ask for success rate on the program with respect of your father condition
    and also to show some convincing study related to your father condition

    Good luck Nicholas

    My father has had some

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    success in the past in controlling his sugar levels with a low carb diet. However, since being
    diagnosed with CHF, and subsequently trying to eat less sodium, he's driving himself crazy trying
    to figure out what he should and shouldn't be eating.

    To make matters worse, since he has started taking meds for the CHF (Digoxin, Lasix and Klor-Con),
    his sugar has been running consistently over 200. He is also on insulin, Glucophage and
    Notriptyline (for neuropathy). He is overweight - probably needs to lose at least 50 pounds - and
    is having a hard time with his energy levels. The CHF meds seems to currently be keeping all
    symptoms except fatigue under control.

    His doctor says there is nothing that can be done - can't stop taking any of the meds and the
    perfect diet is impossible.

    So his choice is choosing whether he wants to die from complications of diabetes or CHF???

    My father is planning to see a nutritionist soon. However, any advice or suggestions here would
    certainly be appreciated, as well.

    Thanks.

  4. Once upon a time, our fellow Trent Duke rambled on about "Re: diet confusion." Our champion
    De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    A news report was just released that said our # 1 Health problem was none other than being
    overweight.

    The good news then is that I don't have a problem. 🙂

    I am perfect in every way.

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

  5. Trent Duke said:

    I am sorry to hear about your father's condition.

    ... I would suggest your father stay away from the simple carbs and eat complex carbs.

    What do you mean by "complex" carbs?

    Starches as opposed to sugars?

    Low GI carbs like fructose?

    Carbs with lots of stuff around them such as fiber?

    Some studies seem to suggest that
    - The quantity of carbs is as important as their nature in determining impact
    - The distribution of eating is also very important e.g. more smaller meals versus fewer
    large meals.

    Tim Josling

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