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"Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

You were right to dread - the answer is to run away as fast as you can.
It'll be completely awful.

cheers,
clive

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these
things?

Quoted message said:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

<looks at pic, reads specs>

It's awful, and would still be bad value at half the price.

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these
things?

Quoted message said:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

<looks at pic, reads specs>

It's awful, and would still be bad value at half the price.

Any specific reason? 21-speed Shimano is pretty standard, and disc brakes
are supposed to be better than rim. I was thinking of getting a folding bike
to use on holidays at my sister's place in Scarborough. The only off-road
I'd be likely to do would be on SusTrans type trails, so it wouldn't need to
be as rugged as a proper mountain bike, but I could cover 60-80 miles or
more on road. I wanted a folder to leave at her place, but I didn't want
little wheels. I didn't particularly want suspension.
Do you know of anything that fits the bill?
--

Martin Bulmer

Martin Bulmer <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

If it was the same price as the postage it'd still be [censored].

... and bear in mind that when it's delivered you _will_ have to set it up.
Most local bike shops won't touch stuff like this, maintenance wise, without
charging you (quite rightly IMHO) top dollar for doing so.

Mind, does it really matter? If you aren't hammering the hills or pounding
the pavement it might do as a 'get you about' ... but it's still [censored],
really.

Personally I'd go to a 'proper' bike shop and get a second-hand ten year old
bike before I'd even consider this ...

--
Paul - [censored]

Martin Bulmer wrote on 10/05/2007 07:09 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these
things?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

<looks at pic, reads specs>

It's awful, and would still be bad value at half the price.

Any specific reason? 21-speed Shimano is pretty standard, and disc brakes
are supposed to be better than rim. I was thinking of getting a folding bike
to use on holidays at my sister's place in Scarborough. The only off-road
I'd be likely to do would be on SusTrans type trails, so it wouldn't need to
be as rugged as a proper mountain bike, but I could cover 60-80 miles or
more on road. I wanted a folder to leave at her place, but I didn't want
little wheels. I didn't particularly want suspension.
Do you know of anything that fits the bill?

If you want something that is unrideable you can get it at half the
price from Sterling House. The Shimano stuff will be basic but fine but
he disc brakes and suspension will be useless at that price and the
frame is probably made from depleted uranium. If you want something
rideable have a look at the Dahon range of full size folders.
http://www.dahon.co.uk/folding-bicycles-intl-models.htm

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

Martin Bulmer said:

Any specific reason?

An easy way to spot for a lot of Bike Shaped Objects is "does it have a
Y frame?"[1] If it does, avoid.

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21-speed Shimano is pretty standard, and disc brakes
are supposed to be better than rim.

Done /properly/ they are. Note that "done properly" disc brakes cost a
similar amount for *each* brake than this whole bike, so these aren't
done properly, they just look the part. Similarly, the suspension: done
/well/ suspension is great, but is precision engineering and costs Real
Money (TM). The suspension on this will just go "Boing", and suck out
power from actually moving the bike forwards.

Quoted message said:

I was thinking of getting a folding bike
to use on holidays at my sister's place in Scarborough. The only off-road
I'd be likely to do would be on SusTrans type trails, so it wouldn't need to
be as rugged as a proper mountain bike, but I could cover 60-80 miles or
more on road. I wanted a folder to leave at her place, but I didn't want
little wheels.

Nothing actually /wrong/ with small wheels if they're allied with decent
tyres (another fault of the *thing* above, btw, is the tyres will be
[censored]), at least for roads and decent trails. In fact, compared to big
wheels they're stronger and make the frame design easier to accommodate
more than 1 potential rider (maybe your sister could use it when you're
not there). As long as the gearing accounts for them odds on you
wouldn't actually notice much difference aside from being easier to get
on and off the bike.
You can get folders that have bigger wheels, but they don't fold down so
well. If you want a fair value road-oriented folding bike where the
fold it to pop it in a cupboard or the like I'd look at the Dahon range,
and don't worry about wheels being 20"

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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"Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

It looks like a supermarket bike chopped in half with a hinge in the middle
to make it quite literally a folding bike. If you compare to how a Brompton
folds you'll see what I mean!
--
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I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

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or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

You don't even need to ask, do you? Buy it, then drop it straight into the
skip; it'll save you endless grief.

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who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin

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Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these
things?

Quoted message said:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

<looks at pic, reads specs>

It's awful, and would still be bad value at half the price.

Any specific reason? 21-speed Shimano is pretty standard,

No it's not. Shimano make a whole range of qualities of transmission
components, from good to dire.

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and disc brakes
are supposed to be better than rim.

No, really, they are not. And cheap cable operated disk brakes are really
not very good at all.

The main reasons it isn't any good are that:

* It's massively - probably 200% - overweight;
* The components are of poor quality, and won't maintain adjustment;
* Unified Rear Triangle suspension with a low pivot, as on that bike,
really eats up your pedalling power.

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"Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

I'd get a raleigh 20 from the tip rather than ride that piece of [censored]. A
mate bought a hundred quid mountain bike against my advice. Then didn't get
it serviced. Lunched the back wheel bearings within about 3 months of
riding...

Peter Clinch said:

An easy way to spot for a lot of Bike Shaped Objects is "does it have a
Y frame?"[1] If it does, avoid.

I forgot to add the footnote...

[1] there are exceptions: a Cannondale Raven, for example, but even with
£4,000 worth of real lightweight high tech engineering it was heavier
than it needed to be, and discontinued.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Martin Bulmer said the following on 10/05/2007 07:09:

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Any specific reason?

Lots - It will need a fork lift to be delivered. It will fold in half
easily, especially as you're riding it. The brakes won't work. The
gears won't work. The suspension won't work. It's massively overpriced
for what it is. You'll need to set it up yourself. In short, this one
won't even be rugged enough for a Sustrans trail, and you would have to
be super-fit to lug that for 60-80 miles on road, unless you're planning
to take a month to do it.

If you can manage without the folding bit, a hybrid would be better for
you. Something like a "Ridgeback Speed Hybrid" at about £200 (2006
model) from Dever Cycles would be a massive improvement over that eBay
contraption, and I'm sure if you look around you can find something
similar for less. At this sort of price, forget suspension and forget
disc brakes. 21 speed gears will be fine, but try to stick to a known
brand such as Shimano.

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sales spiel>

Or, if you're interested, I have a S/H 21" Specialized Hardrock Sport
Disc (2006) for sale which is a massive improvement over that pile of
scaffolding you've seen on eBay, for similar money. You can use the
feedback form on my website to contact me.

http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?arc=2006&spid=21683
</sales spiel>

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Doki <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

"Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

I'd get a raleigh 20 from the tip rather than ride that piece of [censored]. A
mate bought a hundred quid mountain bike against my advice. Then didn't
get it serviced. Lunched the back wheel bearings within about 3 months of
riding...

He got one of the 'good' ones then.

😉
--
Paul - [censored]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

<looks at pic, reads specs>

It's awful, and would still be bad value at half the price.

Any specific reason? 21-speed Shimano is pretty standard

Shimano Tourney is the first rung of the ladder. The Shimano gears on
that bike aren't even on the ladder (Tourney isn't really, either). It
works, but isn't good at working sweet for long.

The frame is made of "hi-ten steel" which is another way of saying 16kg.
That's heavy!

The suspension will not be durable, with bad seals. It has no adjustment
and most likely inadequate damping so will bob up and down like a pogo
stick. An efficient ride it is not.

The gears are cheap, and won't shift sweetly for long (tho they will do
the job). Though they are Shimano, they aren't even bottom of the range
- they're so bad they're not even in the range. Might be up for the
limited use you intend thobut.

The frame looks like it will flex horribly, and various components are
also likely to be made of cheese. At £150 inc postage it wouldn't be
value at half the price.

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and disc
brakes are supposed to be better than rim.

The advantage of mechanical/cable pulled (as opposed to hydraulic) discs
is that they move the braking surface away from the rims. Good
mechanical disc brakes are about the same as good V brakes. [censored]
mechanical disc brakes aren't, but they are heavier and expensive to
repair.

Quoted message said:

I was thinking of getting a
folding bike to use on holidays at my sister's place in Scarborough.
The only off-road I'd be likely to do would be on SusTrans type
trails, so it wouldn't need to be as rugged as a proper mountain bike,
but I could cover 60-80 miles or more on road.

A hybrid with smoothish tyres is looking good for you. 60-80 road miles
on the ebay bike wouldn't be fun - good suspension comes with a lockout
for use on the smooth stuff.

Quoted message said:

I wanted a folder to
leave at her place, but I didn't want little wheels. I didn't
particularly want suspension. Do you know of anything that fits the
bill?

Not at that price. Quick release wheels means any bike can get a lot
smaller in not-very-many-seconds thobut.

Doki said:

I'd get a raleigh 20 from the tip rather than ride that piece of [censored].

Absolutely.

--
Dave...

Doki said:

"Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I dread to ask, really, but does anyone know anything about these things?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVEREST-Dual-Suspension-DualDisc-Folding-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ140115249191QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33503QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

or;
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3bx356

I'd get a raleigh 20 from the tip rather than ride that piece of [censored].

Or indeed ebay:

e.g.

http://search.ebay.co.uk/raleigh-stowaway
--
A

Mark Thompson

pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com said:

Shimano Tourney is the first rung of the ladder. The Shimano gears on
that bike aren't even on the ladder (Tourney isn't really, either). It
works, but isn't good at working sweet for long.

I have a Tourney on one of my bikes, > 2 year old, clocked up > 10000km.
I've not experienced a deterioration, the only drive train maintenance I
do is occasional cleaning and oiling the chain. Using some mechanical
sympathy (shifting when the cranks are ~vertical) I can shift up and
down with the rear mechanism going uphill whilst standing on the pedals.

I'm not suggesting that Tourney's are great, but they are not rubbish
either. They are not as finely machined as the higher end products, but
7 speeds require less precision compared to 9 or 10 speeds. Much of the
expense of the higher spec mechanisms is to attain weight savings, not
everyone benefits from the amount of weight saved by a higher spec
mechanism.

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The frame is made of "hi-ten steel" which is another way of saying 16kg.
That's heavy!

I'm not defending the bike under discussion, but another way to typify a
steel frame is to say that it is the material that is most reliable,
affordable, durable and covered by the longest warranty. The steel frame
of my roadster is covered by a 20 year guarantee, the same frame made
out of aluminum by the same (renowned) manufacturer is covered by a mere
2 year warranty. Again not everyone benefits from the weight saved by an
aluminum frame.

--
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The frame is made of "hi-ten steel" which is another way of saying 16kg.
That's heavy!

I'm not defending the bike under discussion, but another way to typify a
steel frame is to say that it is the material that is most reliable,
affordable, durable and covered by the longest warranty. The steel frame
of my roadster is covered by a 20 year guarantee, the same frame made
out of aluminum by the same (renowned) manufacturer is covered by a mere
2 year warranty. Again not everyone benefits from the weight saved by an
aluminum frame.

Read what he actually wrote : "hi-ten steel". There are many different sorts
of steel, and "hi-ten steel" is among the worst used to make bikes. A decent
alloy steel (cr-mo) won't have the same weight problems (ok, it's actually
strength, but it comes down to the same thing) hi-ten steel does, and bikes
made with such still have long warranties.

cheers,
clive

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The steel
frame of my roadster is covered by a 20 year guarantee, the same frame
made out of aluminum by the same (renowned) manufacturer is covered by
a mere 2 year warranty.

20 years? Pah! Our 7005 aluminium alloy bikes come with a lifetime
guarantee on the frame :-P

And as Clive hinted at, the better cromoly steel is lovely stuff, while hi-
ten steel is more akin to a combination of depleted uranium and cheese.