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  1. So I've managed a couple of 100k half-day rides, and wondered if I was
    up to touring. And there was a three-day weekend coming up .. I
    thought I could do a practice run to try out my legs and the kit I'd
    accumulated and maybe something more challenging later in the year.
    Will start out at 100k per day but shrink the route if it's too far.

    Packing was a bit experimental - only one set of panniers and a mixture
    of light and heavy gear came to about 15kg. The weather was looking
    dodgy so a last-minute change ditched a pair of trainers in favour
    of waterproof trousers, and a T-shirt for a longsleeved cycle jacket.

    I had to wait for a delivery man on Saturday, so finally got away at
    12:30, and took the A422 and A428 from Bedford to St. Neots, then
    almost to Cambridge. There's a quieter back route but the traffic
    wasn't too bad and I was aware that I didn't have a full day to spare
    for the longer, hillier roads. I cut across to Cottenham & stopped for
    a pie at Streatham. Feet seem to have gone numb. Removed shoes while I
    had lunch, put them back a bit slacker. Up a little of the A10 to
    Ely. Passed a tired-looking bloke on a road bike and then discovered
    he was on my wheel at the Ely roundabout .. I don't think anyone's
    bothered to draft me before :-).

    Off the main roads now and across the fens to Prickwillow and
    Lakenheath, getting slower all the time. Shoulders aching. There are a
    couple of campsites west of Thetford and several east .. I hoped I
    wouldn't have to cross the forest as it was well gone 5pm already and
    I think some wouldn't take campers past 6, or might even be full of
    Bank Holidayers.

    Dragged my way up to the site north of Feltwell, right on the edge of
    the forest and was pleased (aka desperately relieved) to find it still
    existed, and was open. A lady in the house apologised for the lack of
    facilities but the quiet setting amongst the trees was fine for
    me. Plenty of unoccupied caravans laid up there, and no more than half
    a dozen occupied - and I don't think I saw more than 4 people. The
    old couple in the caravan next to me warned me they'd got flu then
    offered tea & biscuits. I haven't gone down with it yet :-).
    Facilities were indeed very limited : cold water and toilets, no
    shower. Cooked some sausages then cycled up to the pub at Methwold for
    a drink. The bike's a different animal with the panniers off ! Passed
    a chip shop and had to ignore the pub menu. 62 miles.

    A dry night, quiet but for the owls and some engines across the fields
    at RAF Feltwell. Breakfast a bit poor - the gas was low and only just
    managed a cup of tea. Forgotten to stop for margarine so just a taste
    of sweetened condensed milk on the bread. Out at 8:30 heading for
    Swaffham where a cafe did a decent breakfast. Looked out for famous
    lady riders on (in?) recumbents but none seen. Leaving Swaffham,
    someone flashed and hooted .. I took them for the loony tendency until
    a few minutes later when I realised the road led only onto the A47.
    Back to Swaffham. Landscape considerably more undulating than usually
    claimed for Norfolk.

    On to Castle Acre. I'd have liked to hit the coast at Wells, but
    approaching Fakenham progress was slow so I decided to make it an
    easier day. Cut across through Docking and had a pork pie and ginger
    beer for late lunch at Ringstead, then to the coast at
    Holme-next-the-sea. Around Hunstanton, stopped to ogle Fat Birds Don't
    Fly (a bike shop) and got some gas and bread at a holiday camp shop.

    On to Heacham on the A149, far too much heavy holiday traffic - I
    couldn't get a long enough gap in the traffic to make a slow hill
    start, so pushed the bike up the hill instead. On to Snettisham which
    I hoped would be a bit less busy than the Hunstanton sites. In fact it
    has several huge caravan sites, no sign of any tents. To the beach
    where a car park attendant told me one of the sites took tents.
    Despite lots of family caravans this one (Diglea) was actually really
    pleasant - and the shower was well worth the extra fiver over last
    night ! Tightened wobbly saddle. Still quite early so cycled down to
    the beach and couldn't resist a bag of chips from an adjacent
    site. Too tired to walk along the sand in cycling shoes, back to the
    site where I cooked a bag of Beanfeast and sat under the trees to
    read. 53 miles.

    It rained lightly in the night and still, occasionally, in the
    morning. Packed the tent up damp and got moving by 8:30. Discovered
    I'd tightened the saddle at the wrong angle. Wondered if it had moved
    on the rails. Resisted the urge to stop for breakfast at a roadside
    stall but did have a look at the Sandringham campsite. Very luxurious,
    plenty of space, think I might stop there for some walking
    sometime. Had an ice cream from the shop. Weather brightening, really
    a nice morning now.

    Followed NCN1 towards Kings Lynn, OK to Castle Rising but increasingly
    tortuous through the housing around North Wootton. Eventually gave up
    trying to find the signs and followed the road into the centre, only
    to be confused by the one-way system, which is intended for people who
    don't mind making multiple circuits of the town before leaving.

    Finally found a western exit and headed out toward Saddlebow, which
    turned out to be NCN1 again. Shoulders tiring quickly. The rain
    started as I left Kings Lynn and made the journey increasingly
    miserable. Wet, windy and dark enough to wear me out but not enough to
    put waterproofs on. Promised myself a pub lunch at March. Gave in to
    the rain and put a coat on at Stowbridge, but really struggling by the
    time I was getting near Outwell. Shoulders very painful unless right
    down on the drops or up in the maiden aunt position. A brief stop and
    a gulp of sweetened condensed milk brightened up the next couple of
    miles, then a longer stop at Outwell, a mars bar and a brighter sky
    and I sped up again. But once out of the town it quickly darkened and
    I could see rainstorms moving across the fens and windmills turning,
    facing the same way as I was.

    The rain started in earnest but I'd seen why it was so patchy now and
    hid in a bush until the storm had passed. Carried on when the bushy
    drips were worse than the remaining rain, and pushed on towards
    Chatteris rather than diverting to March. Stopped for that long
    awaited chilli, rice and Elgood's at Doddington. The sun came out
    while I waited and I had a coffee (only 50p!) and carried, trousers
    now dried. Realised the saddlebag tie wasn't as close to the seatpost
    as normal and moved the saddle forward. Much more comfortable.

    I hadn't got maps for this area (I was expecting to come back the way
    I'd gone) so couldn't see the minor roads, The A141 was unpleasant
    with spray, lorries, caravans, 4x4s but I had to follow it all the way
    to Warboys and Huntingdon. A couple of caravans and a lorry passed far
    too close and I realised I was riding close to the kerb. Moved out
    somewhat. Cars crossed the white line to avoid me. In Warboys, some
    teenagers shouted something from their Nova. I wonder if it was
    witty. Do they realise their targets can't hear them ?

    On home territory now, and with the sun shining, it was becoming a
    pleasant afternoon. Into Godmanchester and up an unpleasantly steep
    hill to Offord Cluny. A long wait for several trains to pass the
    crossing, then Buckden and another short rest. Should be home in an
    hour or so. Hills are getting a bit hard. Shoulders aching again, not
    as bad as the morning.

    Across the A1 and suddenly the wind's strong in my face and I can
    coast only on the steepest downhill sections. Past Grafham Water going
    very slowly. Far too many hills and valleys, I've had enough - if it
    wasn't my last day I'd have stopped by now. Pushed the bike up three
    of the hills but the wind takes all the momentum away and the downhill
    speed is wasted. The wind finally dropped and I went down Cleat Hill
    at satisfying speed. Pannier balance has improved noticeably over the
    three days. Staggered into Bedford 2 hours from Buckden, just before
    the rain started to pour down again. 84 miles :-(.

    200 miles, and no unclipping damage ! Result !

    Lessons learnt:

    Cars really do give you more room if you keep well out. Make
    them cross the line, and they'll think about you. A hundred
    wide berths is worth one impatient hoot.

    A meter from the kerb is where the lorries have flattened the tarmac,
    but also where the rain likes to run down hills.

    Those horrible caravan parks with kids everywhere can be better than
    they look. A hot shower easily compensates for a disco if it isn't
    too close.

    A thick Highland self-inflating mattress takes up way too much space
    in a pannier for minimal extra comfort, but that pannier was still
    lighter than the other one. Replacement must be smaller, but lighter
    would be a bonus.

    A thermarest 'chair' is worth a good deal more than its weight,
    especially if you're cooking at ground level. Make sure the
    replacement mattress works with it!

    Riding with a reasonably small pannier load on relatively light hills
    is a little more tiring than without, but mostly just takes longer.

    Cheap bottle-shaped gas cylinders work just as well as the expensive
    domed ones, but need to be kept upright or they flare (my stove has
    a hose to the bottle, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue).

    It's cheap to cook for yourself but only if you carry lots of food,
    and you have to keep buying odd bits & gas. While looking enviously at
    the pubs and cafes.

    Cruising downhill makes up for fighting uphill, but wind and rain on
    the fens are no fun at all.

    Supplex trousers dry really quickly in a pub.

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?

  2. "Adrian Godwin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Nice story.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheap bottle-shaped gas cylinders work just as well as the expensive
    domed ones, but need to be kept upright or they flare (my stove has
    a hose to the bottle, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue).

    It's cheap to cook for yourself but only if you carry lots of food,
    and you have to keep buying odd bits & gas. While looking enviously at
    the pubs and cafes.

    It's a fairly divisive subject, but there are quite a few people (including
    me) who swear by petrol stoves. Advantage - the fuel's really easy to find
    (so long as you haven't mistakenly got a white gas only stove) and it lasts
    quite well. Obvious disadvantages of being smelly, initially more expensive,
    harder to light and more likely to burn things down. But I'll put up with
    that :-)

    cheers,
    clive

  3. Adrian Godwin said:

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?

    I've no experience of them whatsoever but something like these?

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    Not as long as you had in mind, though.

    Enjoyed your report.
    Cheers,

    MikeF

  4. Adrian Godwin said:

    So I've managed a couple of 100k half-day rides, and wondered if I was
    up to touring. And there was a three-day weekend coming up .. I
    thought I could do a practice run to try out my legs and the kit I'd
    accumulated and maybe something more challenging later in the year.
    Will start out at 100k per day but shrink the route if it's too far.


    <snip great report>

    Nicely done!

    Quoted message said:

    200 miles, and no unclipping damage ! Result !

    Lessons learnt:

    Quoted message said:

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?


    Can't help with the "cover your shoes" bit, but RainLegs get good
    reports. Sort of waterproof chaps, which can be worn furled ready for
    instant deployment.

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    Tim

  5. mikef said:
    Adrian Godwin said:

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?

    I've no experience of them whatsoever but something like these?

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    Right sort of idea, but my feet and calves get wetter than my thighs,
    probably due to the angle of the wind and the closeness to spray
    off the road.

    I tried googling for a product and found this, which explains fairly
    closely what I was thinking of :

    http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5469637-description.html

    -adrian

  6. Tim Hall wrote on 08/05/2007 17:11 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Can't help with the "cover your shoes" bit, but RainLegs get good
    reports. Sort of waterproof chaps, which can be worn furled ready for
    instant deployment.

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    I've got a pair but I don't use them very much preferring my full
    trousers. They are OK for keeping light rain off the top front of your
    trousers but as soon as it gets any heavier and you get spray you lower
    legs and undersides start to get soaked. Since I can rarely predict how
    hard it will rain when it does rain its easier to don the all purpose
    overtrousers.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  7. Clive George said:


    It's a fairly divisive subject, but there are quite a few people (including
    me) who swear by petrol stoves. Advantage - the fuel's really easy to find
    (so long as you haven't mistakenly got a white gas only stove) and it lasts
    quite well. Obvious disadvantages of being smelly, initially more expensive,
    harder to light and more likely to burn things down. But I'll put up with
    that :-)

    Yes, I've read up about alcohol stoves and the like : decided that for the
    limited travelling I'm likely to do gas was the first thing to try though
    petrol would be far more suitable for extended or distant trips.

    But I though it was useful to note that you're not limited to camping
    stores that sell Colemans or Primus cylinders : the Taymar cylinders
    used for plumbers torches (and also recently in the heavy self-contained
    car-camping stoves) also work. These are available from hardware shops,
    garages etc. For a directly-attached burner you'd probably need to bury
    it in the ground for stability. With my hose-attached burner (Primus
    Gravity) it burns a bit too vigorously if left lying down.

    The other point was food supply - I didn't have much spare space so
    bought food as I ate it. This tends to result in peculiar portions
    as so many things are sold in large packs. It would even out on a
    longer trip, but at the cost of extra weight.

    -adrian

  8. In message <[email hidden]>, Adrian Godwin
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    mikef said:
    Adrian Godwin said:

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?

    I've no experience of them whatsoever but something like these?

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    Right sort of idea, but my feet and calves get wetter than my thighs,
    probably due to the angle of the wind and the closeness to spray
    off the road.

    I tried googling for a product and found this, which explains fairly
    closely what I was thinking of :

    http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5469637-description.html

    Personally, I prefer to just wear legwear that dries quickly and just
    let it get wet - good old Tracksters/Bikesters soon dry, esp. if you are
    cycling. I really find full over trousers too uncomfortable except for
    short journeys.
    --
    Chris French

  9. Tony Raven said:
    Quoted message said:

    <http://www.rainlegs.co.uk/>

    I've got a pair but I don't use them very much preferring my full
    trousers. They are OK for keeping light rain off the top front of your
    trousers but as soon as it gets any heavier and you get spray you lower
    legs and undersides start to get soaked. Since I can rarely predict how
    hard it will rain when it does rain its easier to don the all purpose
    overtrousers.

    I tend to wait until I've reached a predetermined level of wetness -
    I'm going to get wet with condensation anyway so there's no point trying
    to keep completely dry. But I hate wearing full overtrousers unless it's
    really tipping down : on monday I was only suffering the sort of rain
    that slowly slowly saturates you. And overtrousers would only have
    channelled more water onto my shoes, which I didn't have covers for.

    -adrian

  10. In article <46409337$0$8757$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
    reader02.plus.net>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Adrian Godwin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Nice story.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheap bottle-shaped gas cylinders work just as well as the expensive
    domed ones, but need to be kept upright or they flare (my stove has
    a hose to the bottle, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue).

    It's cheap to cook for yourself but only if you carry lots of food,
    and you have to keep buying odd bits & gas. While looking enviously at
    the pubs and cafes.

    It's a fairly divisive subject, but there are quite a few people (including
    me) who swear by petrol stoves. Advantage - the fuel's really easy to find
    (so long as you haven't mistakenly got a white gas only stove) and it lasts
    quite well. Obvious disadvantages of being smelly, initially more expensive,
    harder to light and more likely to burn things down. But I'll put up with
    that :-)

    cheers,
    clive


    If you don't want to buy fuel there is always wood if there are
    trees around. See:
    http://zenstoves.net/Wood.htm
    Or if you want really light weight:
    http://zenstoves.net/BasicPressureBurner.htm
    I made one of these and it gave out quite a bit of heat. I must
    admit that I've not used one for cooking though.

    --
    Cheers
    the.Mark

  11. Quoted message said:

    Lessons learnt:

    Quoted message said:

    Those horrible caravan parks with kids everywhere can be better than
    they look. A hot shower easily compensates for a disco if it isn't
    too close.

    They can also be a lot more expensive. Camping and Caravan Club sites
    charge around a fiver for back packers and cyclists and nearly always have
    good facilities.

    Quoted message said:


    A thick Highland self-inflating mattress takes up way too much space
    in a pannier for minimal extra comfort, but that pannier was still
    lighter than the other one. Replacement must be smaller, but lighter
    would be a bonus.

    Thermarest is the answer.

    Quoted message said:


    A thermarest 'chair' is worth a good deal more than its weight,
    especially if you're cooking at ground level. Make sure the
    replacement mattress works with it!


    I've never had one and copw with squatting or finding a pitch near a
    suitably sized boulder or tree trunk or wall.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheap bottle-shaped gas cylinders work just as well as the expensive
    domed ones, but need to be kept upright or they flare (my stove has
    a hose to the bottle, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue).

    I've had gas powered stoves but now would not have anything other than my
    meths powered Trangia. Admiteddly I didn't pay ofr it. It ws given to me.
    as a gift but I'd happily buy a replacement.

    Quoted message said:


    It's cheap to cook for yourself but only if you carry lots of food,
    and you have to keep buying odd bits & gas. While looking enviously at
    the pubs and cafes.

    Depends what you want to eat. Porridge for breakfast. Tinned
    sardines/mackerel plus a pouch of bolognese sauce served on cous cous or
    with pitta bread makes for a nice meal. The couse cous is compact enough as
    are cans of sardines/mackerel. I'd buy a carton of milk in the evening for
    tea making and it would see me through breakfast with some left over for
    drumming up later in the day. There's nowt wrong with the occasional pub
    meal or fish and chips! mmmmmmm....... It's easy to improvise meals around
    tinned beans, corned beef, tinned tomatoes, tinned fish, cheese, and instant
    mash/cous cous. I've had the odd fry up but considered it too much of a
    faff.

    Quoted message said:


    Cruising downhill makes up for fighting uphill, but wind and rain on
    the fens are no fun at all.

    Wind and rain are no fun full stop!

    Quoted message said:


    Supplex trousers dry really quickly in a pub.

    Waterproof trousers are only any good if they're worth the
    bother of putting them on. Only the front of your trousers get
    wet .. someone must make gaiters / leggings that have a gap
    at the back for easy fitting yet cover your shoes ?

    I've never bothered with waterproof trousers/overtrouser when touring
    working on the premise that my shorts will dry out quickly enough when the
    rain stops. So far I've been lucky enough not to encounter a five hour
    deluge :-)

    Quoted message said:
  12. the.Mark said:

    Or if you want really light weight:
    http://zenstoves.net/BasicPressureBurner.htm
    I made one of these and it gave out quite a bit of heat. I must
    admit that I've not used one for cooking though.

    I have

    http://www.happy-penguin.info/Image2.jpg

    and it works very well, but it's not as useful as a Trangia as you have to
    use up all the fuel before packing it and you don't get a simmer facility.

    I made mine slightly differently from the Zen one. I used a cut down 1lb
    salmon tin as they are already tapered and fit nicely into a small Heinz
    Baked Bean tin. It's now earning its keep in my allotment shed.

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://www.happy-penguin.info/address.jpg

  13. the.Mark said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you don't want to buy fuel there is always wood if there are
    trees around. See:
    http://zenstoves.net/Wood.htm
    Or if you want really light weight:
    http://zenstoves.net/BasicPressureBurner.htm

    Yes, I'd like to try these. They don't make the food weigh less
    though, unless you go one better and start catching rabbits ..

    -adrian

  14. vernon said:


    They can also be a lot more expensive. Camping and Caravan Club sites
    charge around a fiver for back packers and cyclists and nearly always have
    good facilities.

    This one was ten, and the minimal one near Thetford five. The
    Sandringham site I mentioned is CCC but don't know how much it is.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    A thermarest 'chair' is worth a good deal more than its weight,
    especially if you're cooking at ground level. Make sure the
    replacement mattress works with it!


    I've never had one and copw with squatting or finding a pitch near a
    suitably sized boulder or tree trunk or wall.

    I topple over if I squat .. but the t-rest chair suits my slouch
    very well. Worth trying.

    Quoted message said:

    Depends what you want to eat. Porridge for breakfast. Tinned

    Ah, porridge - should have thought of that. Meant to get some Alpen
    as I find it pleasant made with only cold water, but I wasn't away
    long enough to worry about it.

    Quoted message said:

    meal or fish and chips! mmmmmmm....... It's easy to improvise meals around
    tinned beans, corned beef, tinned tomatoes, tinned fish, cheese, and instant
    mash/cous cous. I've had the odd fry up but considered it too much of a
    faff.

    I was trying to avoid tins, but fine if you're buying for immediate
    use. Wouldn't want to carry them around.

    Quoted message said:

    I've never bothered with waterproof trousers/overtrouser when touring
    working on the premise that my shorts will dry out quickly enough when the
    rain stops. So far I've been lucky enough not to encounter a five hour
    deluge :-)

    If I hadn't had to be at work the next day I'd have pottered around
    Heacham or King's Lynn instead. A planned schedule is a bad thing !

    -adrian

  15. Adrian Godwin <[email hidden]> wrote: [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Followed NCN1 towards Kings Lynn, OK to Castle Rising but increasingly
    tortuous through the housing around North Wootton. Eventually gave up
    trying to find the signs and followed the road into the centre, only
    to be confused by the one-way system, which is intended for people who
    don't mind making multiple circuits of the town before leaving.

    Aha! Norfolk County Council's ludricrously small cycle route sign budget
    strikes again! Shame you missed the entrance to the old railway line,
    which is a pretty easy run from South Wootton into town, but then the
    pedestrian-only zone cuts off the exit route.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    200 miles, and no unclipping damage ! Result !

    Glad you enjoyed it on the whole. Most of Norfolk is hilly and wind
    on the fens is horrible.
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  16. MJ Ray said:


    Aha! Norfolk County Council's ludricrously small cycle route sign budget
    strikes again! Shame you missed the entrance to the old railway line,
    which is a pretty easy run from South Wootton into town, but then the
    pedestrian-only zone cuts off the exit route.

    They must have used all their budget on 'Cycle Lane Ends' signs, which
    seemed to be abundant. There were about 4 at one junction I crossed.

    After I left NCN1 and joined {some main road}, I stayed on the road
    despite the adjacent shared-use path. I felt vindicated when a
    'Cycle Lane Ends' sign appeared, leaving the hapless user in a
    fenced-off section of pavement with only one exit apparent - steps
    down to an underpass! Didn't have a camera, but it was somewhere
    near the Dow factory IIRC.

    I think I did see a mention of an old railway at one point, but
    it was quite close to the town centre - it may have been the wrong
    end.

    At another point, I followed a red cycle lane through the one-way
    system. It turned sharply right in a contraflow, and I didn't follow
    as I thought from the road signs that I wanted straight on. A block
    later I found the other end - it had been a short cut, but with no
    indication of where it was going to take me. The NCN signage often
    suffers from this as well (not just in KL).

    Quoted message said:

    Glad you enjoyed it on the whole. Most of Norfolk is hilly and wind
    on the fens is horrible.

    I enjoyed it enormously, thanks, and came through several places I'd
    like to visit again (even though I've often driven up to the coast).
    It's a pity my panniers were so full, or I'd have gone home via the
    beer warehouse ..

    I've not noticed u.r.c. holding expeditions in the same way as u.r.w.
    does, but I'd suggest Sandringham as a pretty decent spot.

    -adrian

  17. Adrian Godwin said:
    MJ Ray said:

    Aha! Norfolk County Council's ludricrously small cycle route sign budget
    strikes again! Shame you missed the entrance to the old railway line,
    which is a pretty easy run from South Wootton into town, but then the
    pedestrian-only zone cuts off the exit route.

    They must have used all their budget on 'Cycle Lane Ends' signs, which
    seemed to be abundant. There were about 4 at one junction I crossed.

    ITYM 'End of [Cycle Symbol] Route' and 'Cyclists Dismount'. They're all
    over town. I know of one End of Route in the middle of a route, a good
    2km before the route merges into a road and continues towards Cambridge
    past the beer warehouse. The route has never ended there, but they
    built a section in the middle to complete it and I think they ordered
    some End of Routes as a matter of course, then felt they might as well
    use them.

    Quoted message said:

    After I left NCN1 and joined {some main road}, I stayed on the road
    despite the adjacent shared-use path. I felt vindicated when a
    'Cycle Lane Ends' sign appeared, leaving the hapless user in a
    fenced-off section of pavement with only one exit apparent - steps
    down to an underpass! Didn't have a camera, but it was somewhere
    near the Dow factory IIRC.

    Between Dow and the Fire Station? Well, it weaves around the fences,
    which might not be obvious when riding on the road, but it just dumps
    you on the road unsignalled at the traffic lights by the Dow factory
    turn. Also, that's just a painted path.

    Just after you joined the main road (Edward Benefer Way or Low Road,
    I forget which it is where), there was NCN 1 off-road to your right
    and a painted path to your left. Before the first industrial estate
    entrance, NCN 1 crosses the road and exits left along the old railway,
    pretty flat, straight and fast into town. There was a sign 'Town
    Centre via the Walks' but it was in danger of being overgrown by a
    hedge when I left last autumn, so it's probably hidden now. In short,
    I'm not surprised you missed it, I'm glad you didn't get grief from
    docks traffic or the old level crossing and I think you saw signs to
    the other end.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Glad you enjoyed it on the whole. Most of Norfolk is hilly and wind
    on the fens is horrible.

    I enjoyed it enormously, thanks, and came through several places I'd
    like to visit again (even though I've often driven up to the coast).
    It's a pity my panniers were so full, or I'd have gone home via the
    beer warehouse ..

    It's fantastic. I kept suggesting they should be more cycle-friendly
    (their access road is horrible when you're carrying a full load) but
    there's some flagpoles to lock to. http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/

    Quoted message said:

    I've not noticed u.r.c. holding expeditions in the same way as u.r.w.
    does, but I'd suggest Sandringham as a pretty decent spot.

    Good idea, as long as they don't regravel the Castle Rising-A149 bit!
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