Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

Curtis L. Russell said:

donquijote1954 said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Ken

donquijote1954 said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

Here's a good identifying T-shirt...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

Still, it's the Constitution that affirms ( not 'gives' ) that
RIGHT, and he abides by the Constitution.

Quoted message said:

EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the
victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect
"every American classroom and community", a White House official said
Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".

Excellent ! He supports the Constitution and fundamental
rights now matter HOW much the left-wing nutters would like to ignore
those things in their never ending drive to engineer a society more to
their own liking !

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Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

donquijote1954 said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.

Quoted message said:

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.

Quoted message said:

Ken

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Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
> Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
> we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
> launch a good nonviolent campaign?
I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.

Quoted message said:

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.

Quoted message said:

Ken

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

Oh yeah and the one you mentioned only resulted in half the number of
deaths as occurred on Monday.

Ken

Curtis L. Russell said:

Just A User said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has, and
they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until that
time comes, control is the key.

Ken

Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

Just A User said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a
wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents
like those at the campus on Monday.

Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has,
and they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until
that time comes, control is the key.

Heaven knows the criminals will abide by laws and regulations. (Or, just
use gasoline and fertilizer.)

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I'm touch surprised that it took you this long to crawl out from under
your bridge.

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Just A User said:

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com said:

Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
>> Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
>> we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
>> launch a good nonviolent campaign?
> I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
> little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
> Tech campus?
>
> And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
> able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
> there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
> you made some point or another.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Google 'Dunblane', and retract your statement.

And if you think a society where you are tracked on camera
from the moment you leave your own front door until the moment you
return, where you are REQUIRED to submit to criminal attack, where you
are PROHIBITED from defending yourself even in your own home, then I
suggest you move to the UK yourself.

Quoted message said:

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Then you better go on a diet, it's only ~ 1 -2 pounds.

Quoted message said:

Ken

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

Population of UK - 60,000,000

Population of US - 300,000,000

Freedoms in the US - VASTLY more.

Quoted message said:

Oh yeah and the one you mentioned only resulted in half the number of
deaths as occurred on Monday.

Meaningless.

You do not set national policy for 60,000,000 people or
300,000,000 people based on the aberrant acts of one or two or 10 or
100 lunatics.

You do not base a society's laws on 'What limits should be
placed on the worst of us ( or, in the case of VA Tech, the worst of
what we allow to come in from some other country ), to craziest of us,
the most anti-social and dangerous of us.

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Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

Just A User said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has, and
they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until that
time comes, control is the key.

Ken

Yeh, right. Let's only let the Government have them.

Where did you get that one, Mein Kampf ?

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donquijote1954 said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

In article said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

1) They do.
2) Crime is up, as citizens cannot defend themselves. The criminals if
they don't have guns just use other weapons.
3) The UK government is becoming more controling. Recent legislative
activity in the UK includes having government employees busting into
people's homes to take items equal in value to any fines (such as parking
tickets) owed to the government.

Gun bans increase crime by making working conditions safe for criminals.
Allowing people to carry guns decreases crime by making working
conditions unsafe for criminals.

In the same part of the country there was another school shooting prior
to this one, except in that case students went and got their guns from
their cars and ended it at 3 dead. Relying on the police to do something
hours later is folly and bans will never keep the guns out of the hands
of someone bent on doing something.

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com said:

On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954

Quoted message said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Quoted message said:

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

Quoted message said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

Quoted message said:

Here's a good identifying T-shirt...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Quoted message said:

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

Still, it's the Constitution that affirms ( not 'gives' ) that
RIGHT, and he abides by the Constitution.

In this particular instance, yes. "unreasonable search and seizure"
not so much.

nate

Just A User said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has, and
they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Apr 19, 9:34 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at,

Hopefully a door opener gets you some day, so we don't have to put up
with your retarded cross-posts anymore.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:03:42 -0400, <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com>

Quoted message said:

donquijote1954 said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

Here's a good identifying T-shirt...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

Still, it's the Constitution that affirms ( not 'gives' ) that
RIGHT, and he abides by the Constitution.

Quoted message said:

EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the
victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect
"every American classroom and community", a White House official said
Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".

Excellent ! He supports the Constitution and fundamental
rights now matter HOW much the left-wing nutters would like to ignore
those things in their never ending drive to engineer a society more to
their own liking !

Bush supports the Constitution? That's news! I mean signing statements
are, after all, the ultimate support of the Constitution. And, who needs
the Judicial system? Why get a warrant -- just listen in. And all those
people who disagree with you? Well, they're un-American commie [censored].
Support a stronger executive branch! Bush doesn't need the other
branches, because He knows better!

--
Bob in CT

In article said:

On Apr 19, 12:03 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

Still, it's the Constitution that affirms ( not 'gives' ) that
RIGHT, and he abides by the Constitution.

In this particular instance, yes. "unreasonable search and seizure"
not so much.

Bush Jr. is another gun grabber, fully willing to sign another assault
weapons ban should it reach his desk. The BATF under shrub has been
greatly expanded and has been rather busy using existing law to stomp on
people.

One case in particular was a manufacturer of raw castings that people
could then make into finished firearms... provided they had access to a
milling machine... this was entirely legal, but the company's owner was
still stomped on.

On Apr 19, 12:52 pm, [email hidden] (Brent P)

Quoted message said:

1) They do.
2) Crime is up, as citizens cannot defend themselves. The criminals if
they don't have guns just use other weapons.
3) The UK government is becoming more controling. Recent legislative
activity in the UK includes having government employees busting into
people's homes to take items equal in value to any fines (such as parking
tickets) owed to the government.

I rather appreciate a comment often attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves
neither liberty nor security"

In article said:

The U.K. also has surviellance cameras every 15 feet. Would you be
willing to live in an Orwellian world for a false sense of security?

Cameras that mysterously malfunction when the government is running an op
of some sort or the cops did something wrong.

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Definitely, all motorcycle riders should carry sidearms (not bicyclists
though, they're all fruitcakes). Unfortunately, if we use them we'll go to
jail.

Thumper