identifying Campy components

Jason Nugent said:

hi all,

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.

I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Thanks,

Jason

Many parts from that era are identifiable by shape, which is not easy
to describe in words, but I'll try. A picture of the crank, RD, or
skewers would probably nail it down, though. Skewers especially. C-
Record had the D-ring, and the snap-ring oil hole cover. Croce d'Aune
had the weird link rod on the RD. Chorus had the allen screws on the
RD to adjust the slant of the parallelogram. Athena had the
"monoplanar" brakes with one arm going through a hole in the other.

Jason Nugent said:

hi all,

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.

I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Thanks,

Jason

http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php

Ciao
Luca

On Apr 13, 1:30 am, "Hank Wirtz" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:

Many parts from that era are identifiable by shape, which is not easy
to describe in words, but I'll try. A picture of the crank, RD, or
skewers would probably nail it down, though. Skewers especially. C-
Record had the D-ring, and the snap-ring oil hole cover. Croce d'Aune
had the weird link rod on the RD. Chorus had the allen screws on the
RD to adjust the slant of the parallelogram. Athena had the
"monoplanar" brakes with one arm going through a hole in the other.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I've taken some of your comments and
gone looking for photos of components from that era, and I think that
many of the components on the bike are Croce d'Aune. The brakes
definitely are - they are definitely Delta Brakes, and what little
photos I've found from catalogues in that era seem to hold true for
the crank. The hubs are not, though. the rear hub isn't symmetrical
- it's fairly narrow on one side, and then gets really wide on the
drive side, right before the flange. I'm not really sure what year of
Croce d'Aune, though.

I've misplaced my USB cable for my camera (in the middle of moving) so
pictures are hard to post, but I will see what I can do.

Thanks,

Jason

Luca Magnoni said:

Jason Nugent said:

hi all,

Quoted message said:

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.

Quoted message said:

I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Quoted message said:

Jason

http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php

Ciao
Luca

Luca, thanks! I think I might have Record or Chorus RS now - the hubs
from those groups look like what I've got here. I'm pretty sure it's
not Athena - I have ergopower shifters and Delta brakes, and Athena
had caliper-style brakes instead.

cool beans.

Jason

Hank Wirtz said:

Many parts from that era are identifiable by shape, which is not easy
to describe in words, but I'll try. A picture of the crank, RD, or
skewers would probably nail it down, though. Skewers especially. C-
Record had the D-ring, and the snap-ring oil hole cover. Croce d'Aune
had the weird link rod on the RD. Chorus had the allen screws on the
RD to adjust the slant of the parallelogram. Athena had the
"monoplanar" brakes with one arm going through a hole in the other.

I think it's C-Record. The D-Ring on the skewer is the giveaway for
me at this point.

Jason

Jason Nugent said:

hi all,

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.

I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Thanks,

Jason

Some years were milestone years in terms of identification. 1984,
1991, 1995, 1998, 2000...but it's somewhat tough. Little things, like
a lip on the ERGO brake lever, will ID the year..publish some pix.

Jason Nugent said:

Luca Magnoni said:

On 13 Apr, 02:49, "Jason Nugent" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

hi all,

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Quoted message said:

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Quoted message said:

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Thanks,

Quoted message said:

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Jason

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http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php

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Ciao
Luca

Luca, thanks! I think I might have Record or Chorus RS now - the hubs
from those groups look like what I've got here. I'm pretty sure it's
not Athena - I have ergopower shifters and Delta brakes, and Athena
had caliper-style brakes instead.

cool beans.

Jason

You are welcome.
As others have already written, if you are able to post some pics,
there will certainly be someone who'll be able to identify everything.
Please note that, like today, it was very common for groups to be
mixed: Croce d'Aune here, Record there etc etc, so you should try to
recognize every single part in order to be 100% precise.
Ciao
Luca

Luca Magnoni said:

On 13 Apr, 02:49, "Jason Nugent" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >

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I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the [campagnolo]
components are? Aside from the logo, there are no other
distinguishing marks.

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http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php

http://www.campyonly.com/history/catalogs.html

The stuff with no parts names, just laser-etched logos, is sometime in
the 1985-1995 timeframe, i believe, and possibly chorus parts. On
earlier stuff the logos were stamped, and/or embossed into the
casting. On later stuff, the parts name was laser-etched on a black
background, also laser-etched.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

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Jason Nugent said:

I might be acquiring a 1991 Cannondale SR1000 that was outfitted with
Campy many years ago. The person I'd be buying it from wasn't the one
who put the gear on, and they don't know what's on it.
I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the components
are? Aside from the logo, there are no other distinguishing marks.
The back of the crank arms may have a part number, but I am not sure.

Hank Wirtz said:

Many parts from that era are identifiable by shape, which is not easy
to describe in words, but I'll try. A picture of the crank, RD, or
skewers would probably nail it down, though. Skewers especially. C-
Record had the D-ring, and the snap-ring oil hole cover. Croce d'Aune
had the weird link rod on the RD. Chorus had the allen screws on the
RD to adjust the slant of the parallelogram. Athena had the
"monoplanar" brakes with one arm going through a hole in the other.

As you note, not simple. That caliper was a Chorus before it was an
Athena for example

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Hank Wirtz said:

Many parts from that era are identifiable by shape, which is not easy
to describe in words, but I'll try. A picture of the crank, RD, or
skewers would probably nail it down, though. Skewers especially. C-
Record had the D-ring, and the snap-ring oil hole cover. Croce d'Aune
had the weird link rod on the RD. Chorus had the allen screws on the
RD to adjust the slant of the parallelogram. Athena had the
"monoplanar" brakes with one arm going through a hole in the other.

Jason Nugent said:

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I've taken some of your comments and
gone looking for photos of components from that era, and I think that
many of the components on the bike are Croce d'Aune. The brakes
definitely are - they are definitely Delta Brakes, and what little
photos I've found from catalogues in that era seem to hold true for
the crank. The hubs are not, though. the rear hub isn't symmetrical
- it's fairly narrow on one side, and then gets really wide on the
drive side, right before the flange. I'm not really sure what year of
Croce d'Aune, though.

Cassette hub, if Campagnolo, 1992=>

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

(Donald Gillies) said:

Luca Magnoni said:

On 13 Apr, 02:49, "Jason Nugent" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >
I was wondering if there was a way to identify what the [campagnolo]
components are? Aside from the logo, there are no other
distinguishing marks.
http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php

http://www.campyonly.com/history/catalogs.html

The stuff with no parts names, just laser-etched logos, is sometime in
the 1985-1995 timeframe, i believe, and possibly chorus parts. On
earlier stuff the logos were stamped, and/or embossed into the
casting. On later stuff, the parts name was laser-etched on a black
background, also laser-etched.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

1995 was the first year that Campag started putting the group names
onto the components, also the first year of 102mm BBs, slimmed down
Record crank.

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

Thanks,

Jason

Jason Nugent said:

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

Thanks,

Jason

Crank and brakes appear to be C-Record. Front hub is Nuovo/Super
Record (they shared hubs, right?). The nut on the rear skewer could be
CDA, Athena, or Veloce.

RD and shifters look newer than the rest, but maybe I'm wrong.

Hank Wirtz said:

Jason Nugent said:

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

Quoted message said:

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

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Thanks,

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Jason

Crank and brakes appear to be C-Record. Front hub is Nuovo/Super
Record (they shared hubs, right?). The nut on the rear skewer could be
CDA, Athena, or Veloce.

RD and shifters look newer than the rest, but maybe I'm wrong.

OK, after looking at the catalogs linked upthread, I'm gonna say '93
Record for everything except the hubs. Rear hub is likely Chorus. I
say '93 and not '92 (first year of Ergopower) because of the cross-
hatching on the levers.

Hank Wirtz said:

OK, after looking at the catalogs linked upthread, I'm gonna say '93
Record for everything except the hubs. Rear hub is likely Chorus. I
say '93 and not '92 (first year of Ergopower) because of the cross-
hatching on the levers.

Okay, I think I concur. I was wondering about one thing, though. The
brakes in the catalogue for those groups have black rubber "bumpers"
where the cables enter the brake housing. Mine are white. Does
anyone know if this was just a discrepancy between the time the
catalogue was printed and the time the components were available, or
were those bumpers available as aftermarket?

Now that I know what I've got, does anyone have any suggestions for
buffing and polishing this stuff to get it back to its original
luster? The crank, especially, has a section on the crank arm where
the anodizing and clear coating have been worn off from years of ankle
rubbing.

thanks all,

Jason

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Jason Nugent said:

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

Thanks,

Jason

Crank and brakes appear to be C-Record. Front hub is Nuovo/Super
Record (they shared hubs, right?). The nut on the rear skewer could be
CDA, Athena, or Veloce.

I've seen this style of hub with the black oil hole covers referred to as
both Record and Nuovo Record but I think Record is the correct
designation.

Early Super Record hubs had titanium axles but that feature quietly
disappeared.

Campy made these hubs from the early 1960s until the mid 1980s. They're
still my favorite hubs.

Chas.

Jason Nugent said:

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

Thanks,

Jason

Crank is indeed last generation C-Record, like 1990 thru 1994. ERGO is
1994, since 1993 had a metal body and 1995 had group name on it. RD
1994 as well. Brakes are second generation Deltas, white bellows,
probably from about 1986/7/8 or so. FD is C-Record 1994(same as FD
from 1984/5). Front hub 'Record', from the 70s thru 1987(last year of
SuperRecord).

Jason Nugent said:

I managed to take some photos and put them up so you guys can offer
opinions. If a photo isn't clear, or you'd like a different angle,
let me know.

http://starlet.hil.unb.ca/campy/

Mix of early 90s Ergo/RDer with classic pre-86 Record hubs and Deltas, a
"bike mechanic bike" from 1993 perhaps? Something like that

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 15 Apr 2007 04:17:36 -0700, "Jason Nugent" <[email hidden]>

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Now that I know what I've got, does anyone have any suggestions for
buffing and polishing this stuff to get it back to its original
luster?

Use Flitz or Simichrome polish and MUCH elbow grease!