dull

Andre said:

I don't know, but I found today's race dull. By the way, Hoste was run
down by a motor bike when he and Boonen were coming back to catch the
second group. Boonen was able to avoid the crash by swerving
violently. Leif said that together with Tom they would have caught the
Flecha group much earlier. It may have been a different race then.

Who were the douchebags who didn't take their mechanical problems off the road
and caused a pile-up?

Ron

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| On 15 Apr 2007 16:23:36 -0700, "Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >I don't know, but I found today's race dull. By the way, Hoste was run
| >down by a motor bike when he and Boonen were coming back to catch the
| >second group. Boonen was able to avoid the crash by swerving
| >violently. Leif said that together with Tom they would have caught the
| >Flecha group much earlier. It may have been a different race then.
|
| Who were the douchebags who didn't take their mechanical problems off the
road
| and caused a pile-up?
|
| Ron

Two CSC riders. I think it must have been Cancellera who had the mechanical,
since the other rider stopped to give him his wheel.

"Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I don't know, but I found today's race dull. By the way, Hoste was run
down by a motor bike when he and Boonen were coming back to catch the
second group. Boonen was able to avoid the crash by swerving
violently. Leif said that together with Tom they would have caught the
Flecha group much earlier. It may have been a different race then.

You found it dull that one of the most deserving riders in the peloton
pulled away out of nowhere and that the rest of the chase group lost ground
to him all the way to the finish?

"Tom Grosman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| On 15 Apr 2007 16:23:36 -0700, "Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >I don't know, but I found today's race dull. By the way, Hoste was run
| >down by a motor bike when he and Boonen were coming back to catch the
| >second group. Boonen was able to avoid the crash by swerving
| >violently. Leif said that together with Tom they would have caught the
| >Flecha group much earlier. It may have been a different race then.
|
| Who were the douchebags who didn't take their mechanical problems off
the
road
| and caused a pile-up?
|
| Ron

Two CSC riders. I think it must have been Cancellera who had the
mechanical,
since the other rider stopped to give him his wheel.

Duh! - there wasn't anyplace else to go. And the crash was PAST them when
someone must have slipped on the center-rise of the cobbles.

Andre said:

I don't know, but I found today's race dull.

The cyclingnews live report made it sound dull too, in part because I
didn't have a good sense of the key moments, O'Grady kept appearing
and disappearing. But the followup report gave a much better sense of
the unfolding of the race, the well-timed attacks and the missed
opportunities. And the Gazzetta made it sound positively like a
historical epic...

Quoted message said:

You found it dull that one of the most deserving riders in the peloton
pulled away out of nowhere and that the rest of the chase group lost
ground to him all the way to the finish?

There are certain guys whom we'd really *LIKE* to see win, because they've
paid their dues and we like their style & manners. But if you want a winner
based on lifetime achievement or some-such, then you'd better stick to the
Academy Awards.

You can make a case that, in a given race, circumstances might have
transpired against someone and caused him to be unfairly denied a victory,
but aside from that, much as I'd like to see a Stuart O'Grady or Jens Voight
or Erik Zabel win because they play fair, work hard and say the right
things... that doesn't make then deserving of a win. If they can do all that
*and* cross the finish line first- THEN they deserve to win.

But maybe that's not what you meant by "deserving?"

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You found it dull that one of the most deserving riders in the peloton
pulled away out of nowhere and that the rest of the chase group lost
ground to him all the way to the finish?

There are certain guys whom we'd really *LIKE* to see win, because they've
paid their dues and we like their style & manners. But if you want a
winner based on lifetime achievement or some-such, then you'd better stick
to the Academy Awards.

You can make a case that, in a given race, circumstances might have
transpired against someone and caused him to be unfairly denied a victory,
but aside from that, much as I'd like to see a Stuart O'Grady or Jens
Voight or Erik Zabel win because they play fair, work hard and say the
right things... that doesn't make then deserving of a win. If they can do
all that *and* cross the finish line first- THEN they deserve to win.

But maybe that's not what you meant by "deserving?"

Obviously we have different ideas of what "deserving" means. O'Grady has
been finishing at the front and just missing it for years and years. No one
has worked harder and no one had more hard luck and stuck to it.

This wasn't a case where the rest of the pack missed the turn and went down
the wrong road.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You found it dull that one of the most deserving riders in the peloton
pulled away out of nowhere and that the rest of the chase group lost
ground to him all the way to the finish?

Quoted message said:

There are certain guys whom we'd really *LIKE* to see win, because they've
paid their dues and we like their style & manners. But if you want a
winner based on lifetime achievement or some-such, then you'd better stick
to the Academy Awards.

Quoted message said:

You can make a case that, in a given race, circumstances might have
transpired against someone and caused him to be unfairly denied a victory,
but aside from that, much as I'd like to see a Stuart O'Grady or Jens
Voight or Erik Zabel win because they play fair, work hard and say the
right things... that doesn't make then deserving of a win. If they can do
all that *and* cross the finish line first- THEN they deserve to win.

Quoted message said:

But maybe that's not what you meant by "deserving?"

Obviously we have different ideas of what "deserving" means. O'Grady has
been finishing at the front and just missing it for years and years. No one
has worked harder and no one had more hard luck and stuck to it.

This wasn't a case where the rest of the pack missed the turn and went down
the wrong road.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

Finishing at the front? missing it for years and years? i hope
you're not talking about his P-R record. His best result was an 18th
spot in 2003 and 2005. You could not consider him as a top favourite
for this race. He was an outsider, based on his form and top-10's
this year so far.

You can't deny the fact that the favourites were spending most of
their time marking Boonen. We never saw a Cancellara-Boonen-PVP-
Flecha-Gusev-Hoste battle like last year. That makes it a little
dull. Nonetheless, O'grady was very strong, never panicked, did it
tactically very well.

Kenny said:

In fact that's the thing that irritates me the most. And it kinda
makes me not like O'Grady. I mean, it is a very decent rider, but in
the history of road cycling he really won't mean a thing.

He's so hyped in every english speaking country and that's IMO mostly
because of ignorance. There are so many riders who are hardly known
in English speaking countries who have won more significant races in 1
year than O'grady in his entire career.

I know the communist spirit of RBR doens't allow this kind of
thoughts, but still...

I cheer on results from the English-speaking riders because they have
come from farther away and out of the traditional cycling milieu to
make it where they are. That's a reason I liked Tchmile so much, and
also some of the Colombians -- not just the language but the
enterprising nature of their careers.
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Quoted message said:

You can't deny the fact that the favourites were spending most of
their time marking Boonen. We never saw a Cancellara-Boonen-PVP-
Flecha-Gusev-Hoste battle like last year. That makes it a little
dull. Nonetheless, O'grady was very strong, never panicked, did it
tactically very well.

Seemed like most of the favorites, Boonen included, didn't have it
when needed (and a bit of bad luck, e.g., for Hoste). The Wesemann-
O'Grady-Hammond move seemed clear in that moment that it had to be
followed. Yet Boonen didn't, until it was way too late.

in message <[email hidden]>, Mike

Jacoubowsky (') said:

You can make a case that, in a given race, circumstances might have
transpired against someone and caused him to be unfairly denied a
victory, but aside from that, much as I'd like to see a Stuart O'Grady or
Jens Voight or Erik Zabel win because they play fair, work hard and say
the right things... that doesn't make then deserving of a win. If they
can do all that *and* cross the finish line first- THEN they deserve to
win.

Cycling's an odd sport, though, isn't it?

Riders can be great riders without ever winning anything very big. Jens
Voigt probably has more respect - both in the peloton and among the
tifosi - than a lot of other riders with equal or better palmares; because
he /is/ a great rider.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; When all else fails, read the distractions.

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Mike

Jens
Voigt probably has more respect - both in the peloton and among the
tifosi - than a lot of other riders with equal or better palmares; because
he /is/ a great rider.

Two words - Jacky Durand!

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

Obviously we have different ideas of what "deserving" means. O'Grady has
been finishing at the front and just missing it for years and years. No
one
has worked harder and no one had more hard luck and stuck to it.

Finishing at the front? missing it for years and years?

http://velopalmares.free.fr/ogrady.htm

Try reading for yourself.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jens
Voigt probably has more respect - both in the peloton and among the
tifosi - than a lot of other riders with equal or better palmares;
because
he /is/ a great rider.

Two words - Jacky Durand!

Is that sarcasm?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Kenny said:

Fred De Bruyne

That is not a rider, that was a rider.

--
E. Dronkert

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Is it? When you check out race results and you notice that "some guy"
is doing quite well, is showing consistance in some minor races.
Doesn't that makes you wonder about his age, his previous
results...?? You don't need to talk italian for that.
If you like cycling because of the internationalism, just look a
little further than the Tour de France or Paris-Roubaix.

Kenny remember who you're talking to here. Henry has been the class clown
since the first day he posted here. He has never once acted as if he has
thought about anything he writes. He only shoots from the hip as if he was
just too brilliant to be bothered to know what he's talking about.

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jens
Voigt probably has more respect - both in the peloton and among the
tifosi - than a lot of other riders with equal or better palmares;
because
he /is/ a great rider.

Two words - Jacky Durand!

Is that sarcasm?

Sarcasm? Jacky was one of the great unsung heros of cycling who preferred to
win big or lose big. He was Bernard Hinault without the ability but all of
the heart.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Two words - Jacky Durand!

Is that sarcasm?

Sarcasm? Jacky was one of the great unsung heros of cycling who preferred
to win big or lose big. He was Bernard Hinault without the ability but all
of the heart.

We're talking about the same guy who was known within the peloton for
getting dropped on the way to the main climb, and then mysteriously catching
up on said climb, despite not having great abilities in that area? The same
guy people would play tricks on by greasing the parts of a car that one
might try to grab?

That guy???

He got a *lot* of media coverage for his heroic solo breakaways, most of
which failed (but still great for sponsors). But don't know that he had the
respect of his peers for some of the other things he'd do.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Circa Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:57:04 +0200, "Tom Grosman"
<[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| On 15 Apr 2007 16:23:36 -0700, "Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >I don't know, but I found today's race dull. By the way, Hoste was run
| >down by a motor bike when he and Boonen were coming back to catch the
| >second group. Boonen was able to avoid the crash by swerving
| >violently. Leif said that together with Tom they would have caught the
| >Flecha group much earlier. It may have been a different race then.
|
| Who were the douchebags who didn't take their mechanical problems off the
road
| and caused a pile-up?
|
| Ron

Two CSC riders. I think it must have been Cancellera who had the mechanical,
since the other rider stopped to give him his wheel.

It wasn't Cancellara. He was up the road beside Boonen when this was
happening.