bikesandtrailers.com

"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1171741573.107204.162100
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Has anyone used bikesandtrailers.com recently? I have tried to contact
them but they are not returning my calls. I want to buy a bike hod
from them.

There do not seem to be any alternative suppliers, ebay throws up
nothing.

A few weeks before Christmas I tried to contact them both by phone and by
e-mail about over £200's-worth of trailer and accessories. They returned
neither my calls nor my e-mails and I gave up on them in the end and bought
a cheap trailer off e-Bay instead.

That said, the Bike Hod is Bikes and Trailers own product - so I suspect
they're the only people who can supply one if a Bike Hod is truly what you
need.

Quoted message said:

A few weeks before Christmas I tried to contact them both by phone and by
e-mail about over £200's-worth of trailer and accessories. They returned
neither my calls nor my e-mails and I gave up on them in the end and bought
a cheap trailer off e-Bay instead.

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears so I guess I will also have to get a cheap two wheeler.

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

On 18 Feb, 00:02, "raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:
I guess I will also have to get a cheap two wheeler.

Quoted message said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

Rather depends on your brakes! For coming down a long hill with a
laden trailer they have to be good, and you have to allow extra
stopping distance.

Jon

In article <[email hidden]>,
raisethe
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A few weeks before Christmas I tried to contact them both by phone and by
e-mail about over £200's-worth of trailer and accessories. They returned
neither my calls nor my e-mails and I gave up on them in the end and bought
a cheap trailer off e-Bay instead.

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears

Does that necessarily stop you fitting a single-track trailer?

"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears so I guess I will also have to get a cheap two wheeler.

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

1000 ft vertical? Where's that?

cheers,
clive

raisethe said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

If you've got a lot of weight in the back, beware of jack-knifing.

Under hard downhill braking, the rear bike wheel unweights, the
trailer can then push it round sideways. It happened to me one with a
sack of stones in the trailer, on quite a moderate hill when the
lights ahead of me changed and I braked hard where maybe I should have
continued through the amber.

regards, Ian SMith
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"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1171756974.309997.171860
@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

Quoted message said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

You have to ask the vendor wrt. speed. When mine arrived I was
disheartened to see that the manufacturers say not to exceed 10 mph - but
I've gone more than twice that speed without mishap. That said, I suspect
the only time you'd get to 30mph with a loaded trailer in tow would be
downhill - when you should take it easy anyway to ensure you descend
under control.

Another factor to consider is whether the trailer is inherently stable. A
low centre of gravity with the axle placed behind the centre of mass
tends to give a stable tow offset with a comparitively large load on the
coupling point ("nose weight"😉, while a high centre of gravity with the
centre of mass over the axle does the opposite. Where the trailer couples
to the bike is significant also. The higher the attachment point, the
greater the leverage the trailer has to push the bike around. Thus, a
trailer attached to the bike's axle or chainstay normally doesn't push
the bike around as much as one attached to the seatpost.

You're going to need good brakes if you're going to tow (say) fifty or
sixty kilos gross. That's about the same weight as an extra small adult.
You'll need to think further ahead of yourself with a trailer to try to
avoid unnecessary braking and acceleration (unless, of course, you enjoy
the workout!) and to give yourself the extra space you'll need to stop.

Have a look at Carry Freedom's excellent info page:
http://www.carryfreedom.com/info.html
This goes into the differences between load carrying methods with the
pros and cons of each.

HTH

Will Cove said:

"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1171756974.309997.171860
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Quoted message said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

You have to ask the vendor wrt. speed. When mine arrived I was
disheartened to see that the manufacturers say not to exceed 10
mph...

Yeah, mine has ridiculously silly advice about maxmimum speed. I guess
it's just ass-covering so that's it's harder to sue them if something
goes wrong...

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:54:21 -0000 someone who may be Rob Morley
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
raisethe
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears

Does that necessarily stop you fitting a single-track trailer?

Depends on the method of attachment. Some mountings will fit on hub
gears.

Of course with a high towing arm a trailer will attach to the
seatpost. There are advantages and disadvantages in doing this.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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In article <[email hidden]>,

raisethe said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load,
or is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from
Asda with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

If it's food it will be ok - if it's beer be VERY careful!

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in message <[email hidden]>,

raisethe (') said:

Quoted message said:

A few weeks before Christmas I tried to contact them both by phone and
by e-mail about over £200's-worth of trailer and accessories. They
returned neither my calls nor my e-mails and I gave up on them in the
end and bought a cheap trailer off e-Bay instead.

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears

Why not?

Quoted message said:

so I guess I will also have to get a cheap two wheeler.

Quoted message said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

My experience is with bike hods, which definitely can capsize under that
sort of provocation - but I never came off the bike in consequence. I
would imagine that a trailer with a hitch at axle level would be more
difficult to capsize.

I still plan to get a one wheeler as my next trailer, though - because they
ought to cope better with fast downhill riding.

--
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;; do it from  religious conviction."          -- Pascal

David Hansen said:

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:54:21 -0000 someone who may be Rob Morley
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
raisethe
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears

Does that necessarily stop you fitting a single-track trailer?

Depends on the method of attachment. Some mountings will fit on hub
gears.

True. Bob-Yak for example do hub gear adaptors - I have some.

Tim

Simon Brooke wrote on 18/02/2007 10:55 +0100:

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My experience is with bike hods, which definitely can capsize under that
sort of provocation - but I never came off the bike in consequence. I
would imagine that a trailer with a hitch at axle level would be more
difficult to capsize.

I still plan to get a one wheeler as my next trailer, though - because they
ought to cope better with fast downhill riding.

Yep, BOBs your uncle in the fast and/or downhill trailer stakes.

I agree that a high hitch not only capsizes easier, when you try to
brake a high hitch is pushing the bike forward well above the centre of
gravity and so assisting in unweighting the rear wheel. This both
encourages jack-knifing but can also encourage the bike trailer
combination folding upwards at the hitch, neither of which are desirable.

A two wheeled trailer is also a bit like a trike on cornering - it tries
to lean over onto one wheel and road irregularities encourage it to
start lifting.

So my advice for the OP's situation with a long high speed hill would be
always to go for a single wheel trailer with a chainstay hitch. The BOB
is the best but won't work with a hub gear bike AFAIK.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Tim Hall wrote on 18/02/2007 11:22 +0100:

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True. Bob-Yak for example do hub gear adaptors - I have some.

Ah those are new since I last looked. In which case the choice is
obvious - a Yak is what the OP needs for that hill.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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In article <[email hidden]>, Ian Smith
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

raisethe said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

If you've got a lot of weight in the back, beware of jack-knifing.

Under hard downhill braking, the rear bike wheel unweights, the
trailer can then push it round sideways. It happened to me one with a
sack of stones in the trailer, on quite a moderate hill when the
lights ahead of me changed and I braked hard where maybe I should have
continued through the amber.

Does anyone make a braked trailer, I wonder?

Rob Morley wrote on 18/02/2007 12:14 +0100:

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Does anyone make a braked trailer, I wonder?

http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/Child-trailer-brake-is-stopped-in-its-tracks-trade-war-with-US-is-averted

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Clive George said:

"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Right, I won't deal with them. I can't get a single wheel because of
hub gears so I guess I will also have to get a cheap two wheeler.

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

1000 ft vertical? Where's that?

cheers,
clive

possibly he meant a decent coverering 1000ft distance? or he lives
somewhere hilly, top of brynmawr to the lower end of gilwern is a 1000ft
drop, though the clydach gorge.

roger

Tony Raven said:

Simon Brooke wrote on 18/02/2007 10:55 +0100:

Quoted message said:

My experience is with bike hods, which definitely can capsize under that
sort of provocation - but I never came off the bike in consequence. I
would imagine that a trailer with a hitch at axle level would be more
difficult to capsize.

I still plan to get a one wheeler as my next trailer, though - because they
ought to cope better with fast downhill riding.

Yep, BOBs your uncle in the fast and/or downhill trailer stakes.

Quoted message said:

So my advice for the OP's situation with a long high speed hill would be
always to go for a single wheel trailer with a chainstay hitch. The BOB
is the best but won't work with a hub gear bike AFAIK.

Nuts! Specifically BOB nutz http://www.orbit-cycles.co.uk/bobnutz.html

NYKD
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"Will Cove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"raisethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1171756974.309997.171860
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Quoted message said:

Can these be ridden at speed (say 30 mph) with a reasonable load, or
is it best to take it easy? I have a 1000 foot descent back from Asda
with a 90 degree turn near the bottom.

You have to ask the vendor wrt. speed. When mine arrived I was
disheartened to see that the manufacturers say not to exceed 10 mph - but
I've gone more than twice that speed without mishap. That said, I suspect
the only time you'd get to 30mph with a loaded trailer in tow would be
downhill - when you should take it easy anyway to ensure you descend
under control.

Friend got a Burley Solo kiddy trailer, which being USian says afaik no more
than 15mph, and no more than 5mph round corners. He checked with somebody in
the UK, who said something like they wouldn't necessarily take it to 65
again :-)

(I think we've only hit 42mph on the tandem with the bob)

cheers,
clive