Do I report him?

Chris Walters wrote on 03/02/2007 22:53 +0100:

Quoted message said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

Report him with the names of witnesses from the club. It may not do any
good but they may have a word or do something and you could save a less
experienced cyclist in the future from being injured. It takes about as
much time as it took you to write your e-mail to complete the report form.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Quoted message said:

Chris Walters wrote on 03/02/2007 22:53 +0100:

Quoted message said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury
ensued and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the
hassle, and whether any action is likely to be taken?

Report him with the names of witnesses from the club. It may not do any
good but they may have a word or do something and you could save a less
experienced cyclist in the future from being injured. It takes about as
much time as it took you to write your e-mail to complete the report form.

Wot 'e said.

Had something similar on a club run a few years ago, and the local bobbies
did take it seriously, if only because more than one cyclist reported it,
and although they didn't prosecute, they did have some very firm words with
the driver.

Do it, and make sure others on the ride do so too. How will you all feel
when you read about some other cyclist who wasn't so lucky when this driver
does the same to them?

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Chris Walters said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report
the incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no
injury ensued and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's
worth the hassle, and whether any action is likely to be taken?

Report him. You might not be the only person he's done this to and
your complaint might just be enough to trigger a visit from the plod.

Chris
--
Chris Eilbeck

Chris Walters said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue,

He may already have a string of complaints against him and one more may move
the police into action.

I reported some yelling yobs in a car a couple of months back, even though I'd
only managed to get half teh Reg No.. Apparently they were already known to
the police and received a visit from the local PC who gave them a firm
warning.

Report him.

John B

Chris Walters said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that

Report him. I had an incident a few years ago when a driver took
offence, cut me up and threatened me. 5 minutes later he cut me up a
second time and threatened me again. I diverted to the nearest police
station and reported him (I was close to home and didn't want him
following me there...). What the police took particularly seriously was
the fact that he had repeated the threat. He was visited and cautioned
about his behaviour, but nothing more was done at the time partly
because there was no other witness.
I understand that some months later the same driver was involved in
another another incident and reported again. On that occasion he was
prosecuted largely because it could be shown that, after my report,
there was now a history of him using threatening behaviour.

Adam Bent

On Saturday 03 February 2007 22:53, Chris Walters [[email hidden]] wrote in
message <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'd value input from you all as to what to do in this scenario (which
happened this afternoon):
- End of club run, group strung out, approaching a railway bridge that's
single carriageway
- Motorist (high gear engine sreaming) overtakes part of group but not
safely as bridge is imminent
- Gets alongside me, edges past, starts pulling over towards curb and
nearside bridge wall (only the driver is past me, the rest if the car is
not!)
- Pulls further across me, front wheel bounding off kerb, still not past
- I tap on rear left window of car with knuckles three times to let driver
know he's just about to squash me
- Driver slows up, doesn't move out, winds window down and starts tirade
of threats as to what will happen to me if I touch his beloved car again
(I don't respond - somewhat shocked, and also by now being forced almost
into hedge, as bridge has been passed over, and the road is now wide
enough for two cars)
- Driver leaves me alone without causing me physical injury and revs up to
behind the next cyclist, who he cuts up similarly.

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

Report him, in writing, to your local police. Include only facts, not
feelings. Leave out such phrases as "he nearly killed me", include as many
verifiable witnesses as possible plus contact details. Photographs are
good, as are diagrams.

My local route to work is gradually getting safer through such reportings.
The police DO take an interest though a conviction will take something much
more solid such as video evidence, a following police car, injury or death.

Remember - it's your word against theirs so get as many reliable and
consistent words from as many witnesses as possible.

Chris Walters said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

No question. Report it please.

--
Dave...

PDannyD said:

On Saturday 03 February 2007 22:53, Chris Walters [[email hidden]] wrote in
message <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Report him, in writing, to your local police. Include only facts, not
feelings. Leave out such phrases as "he nearly killed me", include as many
verifiable witnesses as possible plus contact details.

A cycling copper told me that the words "I felt my life was in danger"
is the phrase to go for.

Seriously, get some witnesses and do him. He could kill someone next
time.

Chris Walters said:

I'd value input from you all as to what to do in this scenario (which
happened this afternoon):
- End of club run, group strung out, approaching a railway bridge that's
single carriageway
- Motorist (high gear engine sreaming) overtakes part of group but not
safely as bridge is imminent
- Gets alongside me, edges past, starts pulling over towards curb and
nearside bridge wall (only the driver is past me, the rest if the car is
not!)
- Pulls further across me, front wheel bounding off kerb, still not past
- I tap on rear left window of car with knuckles three times to let driver
know he's just about to squash me
- Driver slows up, doesn't move out, winds window down and starts tirade of
threats as to what will happen to me if I touch his beloved car again (I
don't respond - somewhat shocked, and also by now being forced almost into
hedge, as bridge has been passed over, and the road is now wide enough for
two cars)
- Driver leaves me alone without causing me physical injury and revs up to
behind the next cyclist, who he cuts up similarly.

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

Cheers,
Chris

if you and the other members can, identify, i personaly would, that
wasn't just a botched manover, he was lucky not to kill some one
incuding his self.

dangerus driving, not on.

roger

PDannyD wrote on 04/02/2007 01:29 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Remember - it's your word against theirs so get as many reliable and
consistent words from as many witnesses as possible.

Nooooooohhh. Leave it to the police to get the words from the witnesses
and do not discuss your story with the witnesses to get consistency.
That would ruin any prosecution and could be seen as conspiracy to
pervert the course of justice.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
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On 03/02/2007 22:53, Chris Walters said,

Quoted message said:

do I report the
incident to our friends in blue?

I wouldn't even be asking that question. Without a doubt, report it.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Walters

(') said:

I'd value input from you all as to what to do in this scenario (which
happened this afternoon):

Yes, definitely.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

in message <45c53d19.0@entanet>, PDannyD

(') said:

Report him, in writing, to your local police. Include only facts, not
feelings. Leave out such phrases as "he nearly killed me", include as
many verifiable witnesses as possible plus contact details. Photographs
are good, as are diagrams.

My local route to work is gradually getting safer through such
reportings. The police DO take an interest though a conviction will take
something much more solid such as video evidence, a following police car,
injury or death.

I don't much approve of ASBOs and the short circuiting of the judicial
process, but the Police now can and will issue ASBOs for this sort of
thing. Obviously it depends on the policy of the local force, but
reporting it is definitely worth while.

Quoted message said:

Remember - it's your word against theirs so get as many reliable and
consistent words from as many witnesses as possible.

Absolutely.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I put the 'sexy' in 'dyslexia'

Two choices really. Neither of them is do nothing. Report him and persue it
as far as you can or find out where he lives and take action yourself (more
realistic in cities where most car drivers are never more than a mile or two
from home) You'll need to be very insistent with the police as it's in their
interest to put you off making a complaint.....

"Chris Walters" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'd value input from you all as to what to do in this scenario (which
happened this afternoon):
- End of club run, group strung out, approaching a railway bridge that's
single carriageway
- Motorist (high gear engine sreaming) overtakes part of group but not
safely as bridge is imminent
- Gets alongside me, edges past, starts pulling over towards curb and
nearside bridge wall (only the driver is past me, the rest if the car is
not!)
- Pulls further across me, front wheel bounding off kerb, still not past
- I tap on rear left window of car with knuckles three times to let driver
know he's just about to squash me
- Driver slows up, doesn't move out, winds window down and starts tirade
of threats as to what will happen to me if I touch his beloved car again
(I don't respond - somewhat shocked, and also by now being forced almost
into hedge, as bridge has been passed over, and the road is now wide
enough for two cars)
- Driver leaves me alone without causing me physical injury and revs up to
behind the next cyclist, who he cuts up similarly.

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report the
incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no injury ensued
and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

Cheers,
Chris

Chris Walters said:

I guess I'm wondering if it's worth the hassle, and
whether any action is likely to be taken?

guess by reading the replies & my own experience that nothing at all
would be done to them/for you ... by the pigs

Tony Raven said:

Chris Walters wrote on 03/02/2007 22:53 +0100:

Quoted message said:

The question is - I have the guys registration number - do I report
the incident to our friends in blue, or just be grateful that no
injury ensued and leave it at that - I guess I'm wondering if it's
worth the hassle, and whether any action is likely to be taken?

Report him with the names of witnesses from the club. It may not do any
good but they may have a word or do something and you could save a less
experienced cyclist in the future from being injured. It takes about as
much time as it took you to write your e-mail to complete the report form.

Report him, and make sure it gets recorded.

Then if (or when, by the sound of it) he gets a motoring offence
they'll look at his record before sentencing...

BugBear

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Quoted message said:

guess by reading the replies & my own experience that nothing at all
would be done to them/for you ... by the pigs

I agree, the police are under staffed and under enthused, it's the law of
the jungle these days.

Thanks everyone for the encouragement - I did perform my civic duty and
don't hold out much hope of any formal action with the lukewarm "your word
against his" response from Her Majesty's finest, but at least the eejit is
now on record for being a naughty boy. Let's just hope they fire a warning
shot towards him and that he thinks twice before he picks on a cyclist
again.

Cheers,
Chris

Chris Walters said:

"Buck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

guess by reading the replies & my own experience that nothing at all
would be done to them/for you ... by the pigs

I agree, the police are under staffed and under enthused, it's the law of
the jungle these days.

Thanks everyone for the encouragement - I did perform my civic duty and
don't hold out much hope of any formal action with the lukewarm "your word
against his" response from Her Majesty's finest, but at least the eejit is
now on record for being a naughty boy. Let's just hope they fire a warning
shot towards him and that he thinks twice before he picks on a cyclist
again.

Were you not able to persuade someone else to act as a witness?

It really does make a great deal of difference.

Look at it from Her Majesty's Finest's POV.

They stand absolutely no chance of getting anything to court without
corroberating evidence and all they would achieve if they went to have a word
with a numbnuts like the one you describe, all they'd get would be a load of
abuse - and numbnuts would have an even bigger chip on his shoulder.