Even AP does it...

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Bill "sigh" S.

So much fore litterassy.

cheers (but y'know what they mean anyway,)
Tom

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Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

Quoted message said:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

These are the same editors who let BS like:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
The injured were lying on the road after the crash.

....

It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
any. It's just edjumacation.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

Quoted message said:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

These are the same editors who let BS like:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

What's wrong with this one?

Quoted message said:

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
The injured were lying on the road after the crash.

...

It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
any. It's just edjumacation.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

Quoted message said:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

These are the same editors who let BS like:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
The injured were lying on the road after the crash.

...

It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
any. It's just edjumacation.

Jobst Brandt

While we're on the subject of irritating things, I will take the time
to share my pet peeve.

I live in Norway, and here most of the TV shows and movies are English
or American with Norwegian subtitles. Someone clearly has the job of
translating shows and movies from English to Norwegian. Unfortunately
whoever this is doesn't seem to know a thing about English. I have the
irritating habit of not being able to ignore the subtitles, so I notice
all the glaring errors. Almost half the jokes are mistranslated, and
should a joke make some popular culture reference, forget it, it
probably won't even be recognized as a joke by the translators.

Not such a big deal, but these people presumably are the ones with a
better than average grasp of English, yet they continually make huge
mistakes. What about everyone with an even lesser grasp of English, say
some newspaper editor misreading an editorial in the NYT and then
forming a half-baked opinion that then gets taken as gospel by his
readers? Depressing.

Joseph

Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Bill "sigh" S.

I'll buy that for a dollar!

Joseph

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Peddling...

Quoted message said:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

These are the same editors who let BS like:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
The injured were lying on the road after the crash.

...

It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
any. It's just edjumacation.

Jobst Brandt

Come on.
You 'know' the news people are not hired for literacy but rather camera
'presence' and reporters and copy writers for newspapers are deadline
driven. 5 minutes for a proofread by another writer, can't do it, might
miss the deadline.
Hurry, publish something, anything.
Modern life.
Bill Baka

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Roger Zoul said:

What's wrong with this one?

My guess: If you call someone a friend, they're assumed to be your
friend unless stated otherwise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

<http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=robbery&word2=burglary>
HTH, Jobst.

\\paul

Roger Zoul said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Peddling...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

These are the same editors who let BS like:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Quoted message said:

What's wrong with this one?

The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

What other kind of friends do you have? My friends are mine.
Redundancy abounds.

There is no marketplace for this product.
There is no market for this product.

We have a local road formerly known as Pescadero Road that is
gradually changing to Pescadero Creek Road as street signs are
replaced. The longer appellation sounds more impressive.

That you don't notice is a sign of language dilution in the media
that has become adopted as our own.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
The injured were lying on the road after the crash.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
any. It's just edjumacation.

Big diamond shaped temporary warning signs announce:

Road Work Ahead... where elese?
Be Prepared to Stop... was: Stop Ahead
this preceded by the redundant Flagger Ahead

Watch for Rocks on Pavement... was: Slide Area

However, we no longer have land slides, they are more dramatically mud
slides. What other lkind is there? Even rock slides are initiated by
rain and softening of soil.

Road signs have been replaced by icons in Europe where language
diffferences made that more urgent. The result is better in any
language. However, our road signs are becomming wordier and less
useful.

Jobst Brandt

Bill Baka said:

Maybe the subtitling gets farmed out to India, just like everything
else these days in the states. The American language (not real
English) has been getting beat up rather badly as of late. I don't
know if Norway has the Indian problem yet, as an Indian speaking
both Punjab (native) and English plus Norwegian sounds unlikely, but
welcome to the 21st century and cost cutting.

Don't forget the difference between "like" and "as", as I said. The
word "as" is almost gone from the media, just as the words "effect"
and "affect" have turned into "impact" for greater effect. Having had
artillery training, I know what an impact area is and the sound made.

Quoted message said:

Actually, I would take it as kind of an insult to my country, like it
wasn't worth translating properly.

Quoted message said:

I have watched, here in the states, Clint Eastwood westerns that
have been dubbed with Spanish and I know the words, and even those
get messed up, sometimes badly. It seems lip syncing is more
important than the actual words.

Quoted message said:

Sorry state of affairs.

Jobst Brandt

Paul Hobson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's wrong with this one?

Quoted message said:

My guess: If you call someone a friend, they're assumed to be your
friend unless stated otherwise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
[one might imagine that the police shot them]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The robbery took place while the residents were away.
The burglary took place while the residents were away.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=robbery&word2=burglary

I don't get it. What's this got to do with understanding the
difference between robbery and burglary?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/burglary
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/robbery

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Even rock slides are initiated by
rain and softening of soil.

Maybe in California. Road cuts through rock face can have rock slides
precipitated by other causes, such as frost and other temperature
changes,in areas where there is pretty much only rock and the weather
is dry. Seeing the results can have you trying to drive while looking
up at the rock face, like that will somehow save you if a car-sized
piece of rock comes down the side.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Paul Hobson wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::: I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
:::: I spoke to a friend about this.
::
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: What's wrong with this one?
::
:: My guess: If you call someone a friend, they're assumed to be your
:: friend unless stated otherwise.

Correct. However, I think it comes down to order: which line is correct
(bottom?) and which isn't (top?):

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

::
:::: Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: [one might imagine that the police shot them]
::::
:::: The robbery took place while the residents were away.
:::: The burglary took place while the residents were away.
::
::
<http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=robbery&word2=burglary>
:: HTH, Jobst.
::
:: \\paul

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
::::: Peddling...
::
::::: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html
::
:::: These are the same editors who let BS like:
::
:::: The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
:::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
::
:::: We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
:::: We'll have more on that at eleven.
::
:::: We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
:::: We've seen enough of these things.
::
:::: I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
:::: I spoke to a friend about this.
::
::: What's wrong with this one?
::
:: The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

I agree. However, you screwed up the order in the line about the tanker.

::
:: What other kind of friends do you have? My friends are mine.
:: Redundancy abounds.
::
:: There is no marketplace for this product.
:: There is no market for this product.
::
:: We have a local road formerly known as Pescadero Road that is
:: gradually changing to Pescadero Creek Road as street signs are
:: replaced. The longer appellation sounds more impressive.
::
:: That you don't notice is a sign of language dilution in the media
:: that has become adopted as our own.
::
:::: Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: [one might imagine that the police shot them]
::
:::: The robbery took place while the residents were away.
:::: The burglary took place while the residents were away.
::
:::: The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
:::: The injured were lying on the road after the crash.
::
:::: ...
::
:::: It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
:::: any. It's just edjumacation.
::
:: Big diamond shaped temporary warning signs announce:
::
:: Road Work Ahead... where elese?
:: Be Prepared to Stop... was: Stop Ahead
:: this preceded by the redundant Flagger Ahead
::
:: Watch for Rocks on Pavement... was: Slide Area
::
:: However, we no longer have land slides, they are more dramatically
:: mud slides. What other lkind is there? Even rock slides are
:: initiated by rain and softening of soil.
::
:: Road signs have been replaced by icons in Europe where language
:: diffferences made that more urgent. The result is better in any
:: language. However, our road signs are becomming wordier and less
:: useful.
::
:: Jobst Brandt

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
::::: Peddling...
::
::::: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html
::
:::: These are the same editors who let BS like:
::
:::: The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
:::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
::
:::: We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
:::: We'll have more on that at eleven.
::
:::: We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
:::: We've seen enough of these things.
::
:::: I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
:::: I spoke to a friend about this.
::
::: What's wrong with this one?
::
:: The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.
::
:: What other kind of friends do you have? My friends are mine.
:: Redundancy abounds.
::
:: There is no marketplace for this product.
:: There is no market for this product.
::
:: We have a local road formerly known as Pescadero Road that is
:: gradually changing to Pescadero Creek Road as street signs are
:: replaced. The longer appellation sounds more impressive.
::
:: That you don't notice is a sign of language dilution in the media
:: that has become adopted as our own.

Actually, I do notice. But as usual, things have to be done with care for
the point to be made effectively.

::
:::: Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
:::: [one might imagine that the police shot them]
::
:::: The robbery took place while the residents were away.
:::: The burglary took place while the residents were away.
::
:::: The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
:::: The injured were lying on the road after the crash.
::
:::: ...
::
:::: It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
:::: any. It's just edjumacation.
::
:: Big diamond shaped temporary warning signs announce:
::
:: Road Work Ahead... where elese?
:: Be Prepared to Stop... was: Stop Ahead
:: this preceded by the redundant Flagger Ahead
::

Stop Ahead and Flagger Ahead don't mean the same thing.

:: Watch for Rocks on Pavement... was: Slide Area
::
:: However, we no longer have land slides, they are more dramatically
:: mud slides. What other lkind is there? Even rock slides are
:: initiated by rain and softening of soil.
::
:: Road signs have been replaced by icons in Europe where language
:: diffferences made that more urgent. The result is better in any
:: language. However, our road signs are becomming wordier and less
:: useful.

Agreed.

Curtis L. Russell said:

Quoted message said:

Even rock slides are initiated by rain and softening of soil.

Quoted message said:

Maybe in California. Road cuts through rock face can have rock slides
precipitated by other causes, such as frost and other temperature
changes,in areas where there is pretty much only rock and the weather
is dry. Seeing the results can have you trying to drive while looking
up at the rock face, like that will somehow save you if a car-sized
piece of rock comes down the side.

I take it you think "mud slide" is the appropriate term since you
take issue with my claim that it is a form of grandstanding.

If there is no mud, what was freezing?

Although Rock fall can be initiated by wind a land slide rarely is.
You might find the word definition below appropriate for many
wreck.bike responses:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/red%20herring

....second part of #2.

Jobst Brandt

Bill Baka wrote:
:: [email hidden] wrote:
::: Bill Sornson writes:
:::
:::: Peddling...
:::
:::: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html
:::
::: These are the same editors who let BS like:
:::
::: The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
:::
::: We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
::: We'll have more on that at eleven.
:::
::: We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
::: We've seen enough of these things.
:::
::: I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
::: I spoke to a friend about this.
:::
::: Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
::: Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
::: [one might imagine that the police shot them]
:::
::: The robbery took place while the residents were away.
::: The burglary took place while the residents were away.
:::
::: The injured were laying on the roadway after the crash.
::: The injured were lying on the road after the crash.
:::
::: ...
:::
::: It's a long list that grates on readers sensitivities if there are
::: any. It's just edjumacation.
:::
::: Jobst Brandt
::
:: Come on.
:: You 'know' the news people are not hired for literacy but rather
:: camera 'presence' and reporters and copy writers for newspapers are
:: deadline driven. 5 minutes for a proofread by another writer, can't
:: do it, might miss the deadline.
:: Hurry, publish something, anything.
:: Modern life.
:: Bill Baka

Too true!

Roger Zoul said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Peddling...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

These are the same editors who let BS like:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's wrong with this one?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

Quoted message said:

I agree. However, you screwed up the order in the line about the
tanker.

It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?

Jobst Brandt

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?

He's pointing out that your "correct" second entry reads:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

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__o Kristian Zoerhoff
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(_)/ (_)

Kristian M Zoerhoff said:

Quoted message said:

It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?

Quoted message said:

He's pointing out that your "correct" second entry reads:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

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Arggh, the spell checker doesn't find that!

Jobst Brandt