Even AP does it...

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
:::::: Peddling...
::
:: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html
::
::::: These are the same editors who let BS like:
::
::::: The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
::::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
::
::::: We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
::::: We'll have more on that at eleven.
::
::::: We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
::::: We've seen enough of these things.
::
::::: I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
::::: I spoke to a friend about this.
::
::::: What's wrong with this one?
::
:::: The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.
::
::: I agree. However, you screwed up the order in the line about the
::: tanker.
::
:: It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
:: complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?
::

🙂

Neither!

:The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

Because if this error, the question this becomes, is the correct line first
or second? Of course, using "and" when one means "an" is another of those
blunders we see sometimes.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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Come on.
You 'know' the news people are not hired for literacy but rather camera
'presence' and reporters and copy writers for newspapers are deadline
driven. 5 minutes for a proofread by another writer, can't do it, might
miss the deadline.
Hurry, publish something, anything.

AP writers aren't expected to turn in fully correct stories, AIUI. The editors
are supposed to take care of that, so one wishes to cast aspersions, cast them
on the editors.

Now, if only the editors at the (suburban Chicago) Daily Herald would refrain
from editing before that first cup of coffee, my blood pressure might drop a
point or two.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ [email hidden]
(_)/ (_)

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Kristian M Zoerhoff writes:
::
:::: It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
:::: complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?
::
::: He's pointing out that your "correct" second entry reads:
::
:::::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
::: ------------------------------^
::
:: Arggh, the spell checker doesn't find that!
::
:: Jobst Brandt

Editing is not so simple all the time, no?

Roger Zoul said:

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> It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
> complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?

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He's pointing out that your "correct" second entry reads:

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> The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
--------------------------^

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Arggh, the spell checker doesn't find that!

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Editing is not so simple all the time, no?

Spelling is one aspect but content is the serious one and I'm talking
about content. Typos are easily found by fastidious readers but
content is in the editor's domain and we don't seem to have ones who
know the difference. For instance, I don't think the use of like and
as is known by these people who let "like I said" sail through along
with "these kinds of things" aka "these things" or "this kind of
thing" but never "kinds".

Jobst Brandt

[email hidden] wrote:
{much snippage}

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It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both.

Do you really think this and your other examples are comparable nits to a
(presumably) professional AP writer/reporter not knowing the difference
between 'pedal' and 'peddle'?

Bill "sorry I brought it up" S.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
:::::: It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both. Where is your
:::::: complaint, the roadway or the tanker truck?
::
::::: He's pointing out that your "correct" second entry reads:
::
:::::: The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).
:::::: --------------------------^
::
:::: Arggh, the spell checker doesn't find that!
::
::: Editing is not so simple all the time, no?
::
:: Spelling is one aspect but content is the serious one and I'm talking
:: about content. Typos are easily found by fastidious readers but
:: content is in the editor's domain and we don't seem to have ones who
:: know the difference. For instance, I don't think the use of like and
:: as is known by these people who let "like I said" sail through along
:: with "these kinds of things" aka "these things" or "this kind of
:: thing" but never "kinds".
::
:: Jobst Brandt

I bet you eat like a pig! 🙂

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Paul Hobson said:

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> I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
> I spoke to a friend about this.

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What's wrong with this one?

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My guess: If you call someone a friend, they're assumed to be your
friend unless stated otherwise.

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> Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge.
> Six people died when their car ran off the bridge.
> [one might imagine that the police shot them]

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> The robbery took place while the residents were away.
> The burglary took place while the residents were away.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=robbery&word2=burglary

I don't get it. What's this got to do with understanding the
difference between robbery and burglary?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/burglary
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/robbery

I point[1] was, is that the two, in common usage[2], the two have become
synonyms with the average Joe preferring /robbery/ b/c it's easier to
spell[3].

[1] I'm being overly brief b/c my left hand is currently in a cast due
to a slight "disagreement" I had with a Chevy Avalanche[4].
[2] Language does and should change over time. This type of thing
really doesn't bother me too much.
[3] Just a guess
[4] No typing with one hand jokes please 😉

Bill Sornson wrote:
:: [email hidden] wrote:
:: {much snippage}
::
::: It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both.
::
:: Do you really think this and your other examples are comparable nits
:: to a (presumably) professional AP writer/reporter not knowing the
:: difference between 'pedal' and 'peddle'?
::
:: Bill "sorry I brought it up" S.

I think many of them definitely are. Perhaps the one you mention above
isn't, though. 🙂

Paul Hobson said:

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>> I spoke to a friend of mine about this. I spoke to a friend
>> about this.

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> What's wrong with this one?

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My guess: If you call someone a friend, they're assumed to be your
friend unless stated otherwise.

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>> Six people were killed when their car ran off the bridge. Six
>> people died when their car ran off the bridge. [one might
>> imagine that the police shot them]

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>> The robbery took place while the residents were away. The
>> burglary took place while the residents were away.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=robbery&word2=burglary

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I don't get it. What's this got to do with understanding the
difference between robbery and burglary?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/burglary
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/robbery

One is in the presence of the owner with threat of violence or death,
a far more serious crime than burglary, that of taking something that
is not yours. That is a significant difference and to try to merge
the two is a major misunderstanding of language, similar to the
difference between kill and die, or for that matter lie and lay.

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I point[1] was, is that the two, in common usage[2], the two have
become synonyms with the average Joe preferring /robbery/ b/c it's
easier to spell[3].

That's an excuse I hadn't hear before. More power to the illiterate!
Is this one of the things that occurs with GWB as president?

Nucular!

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[1] I'm being overly brief b/c my left hand is currently in a cast
due to a slight "disagreement" I had with a Chevy Avalanche[4]. [2]
Language does and should change over time. This type of thing
really doesn't bother me too much. [3] Just a guess [4] No typing
with one hand jokes please 😉

That's fine, I suppose that event spared us from a longer defense of
language misuse.

Jobst Brandt

Roger Zoul said:

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It is either a tanker or a tank truck, not both.

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Do you really think this and your other examples are comparable
nits to a (presumably) professional AP writer/reporter not knowing
the difference between 'pedal' and 'peddle'?

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Bill "sorry I brought it up" S.

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I think many of them definitely are. Perhaps the one you mention
above isn't, though.

The origin of these guffaws is that these folks like to sound like
insiders by using jargon from the environment about which they are
reporting without understanding trucker talk or railroad talk, both of
which are best left to the industry with plain English used for
reporting.

Jobst Brandt

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Roger Zoul said:

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> Peddling...

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> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

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These are the same editors who let BS like:

Quoted message said:

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The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

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We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
We'll have more on that at eleven.

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We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
We've seen enough of these things.

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I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
I spoke to a friend about this.

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What's wrong with this one?

The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

What other kind of friends do you have?

Well, there are Quakers, but I can't think of any
legitimate context in which they'd be owned.
As a proper noun, "Friends" really should be
capitalized.

I can think of some contexts where such possessives
could be applied: "my wife," "my landlady," "my nemesis."

If someone's wife, landlady and nemesis are one and the
same, and a Quaker as well, I'd say that person deserves
some liberal latitude of forgiveness, even for his misuse
of the English language.

Remember when people used to ~type~ messages?
Then, as computer technology advanced, we began to
"keyboard" instead. There was an interim period
when some technoid people would "input," or "input in."
Now, we "text". Some irresponsible people text while
driving.

Don'cha just hate it when people verb a noun?

On the other hand, I do appreciate a good malapropism.

Hip-hop culture has creatively developed many nuanceful
expressions by mutating grammar and syntax. I find it
rather interesting and refreshing, and sometimes even
artistic. Irregardless, It would like to kill many an
immutably purist stick-in-the-mud. I guess that's what
separates-out the wheat from the goats.

cheers,
Tom

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:29:21 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

>> Peddling...

Quoted message said:

>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Quoted message said:

> These are the same editors who let BS like:

Quoted message said:

> The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
> The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

Quoted message said:

> We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
> We'll have more on that at eleven.

Quoted message said:

> We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
> We've seen enough of these things.

Quoted message said:

> I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
> I spoke to a friend about this.

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What's wrong with this one?

The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

What other kind of friends do you have?

Well, there are Quakers, but I can't think of any
legitimate context in which they'd be owned.
As a proper noun, "Friends" really should be
capitalized.

I can think of some contexts where such possessives
could be applied: "my wife," "my landlady," "my nemesis."

If someone's wife, landlady and nemesis are one and the
same, and a Quaker as well, I'd say that person deserves
some liberal latitude of forgiveness, even for his misuse
of the English language.

Remember when people used to ~type~ messages?
Then, as computer technology advanced, we began to
"keyboard" instead. There was an interim period
when some technoid people would "input," or "input in."
Now, we "text". Some irresponsible people text while
driving.

Don'cha just hate it when people verb a noun?

I think "bike" is an understandable and almost acceptable substitute
for "ride", and vice versa.

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On the other hand, I do appreciate a good malapropism.

Yew wood.

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Hip-hop culture has creatively developed many nuanceful
expressions by mutating grammar and syntax. I find it
rather interesting and refreshing, and sometimes even
artistic. Irregardless,

^^^^^^^^^^^^

ARRRRGHHH!!!
--
zk

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Bill Baka said:

Maybe the subtitling gets farmed out to India, just like (AS) everything
else these days in the states. The American language (not real
English) has been getting beat up rather badly as (LIKE);>😉 of late. I don't
know if Norway has the Indian problem yet, as an Indian speaking
both Punjab (native) and English plus Norwegian sounds unlikely, but
welcome to the 21st century and cost cutting.

Don't forget the difference between "like" and "as", as I said. The
word "as" is almost gone from the media, just as the words "effect"
and "affect" have turned into "impact" for greater effect.

Effect and affect have never had a effect on me nor affected me.
That's 4th grade stuff.

Having had

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artillery training, I know what an impact area is and the sound made.

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Actually, I would take it as kind of an insult to my country, like it
wasn't worth translating properly.

Jobst Brandt

Kristian M Zoerhoff said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Come on.
You 'know' the news people are not hired for literacy but rather camera
'presence' and reporters and copy writers for newspapers are deadline
driven. 5 minutes for a proofread by another writer, can't do it, might
miss the deadline.
Hurry, publish something, anything.

AP writers aren't expected to turn in fully correct stories, AIUI. The editors
are supposed to take care of that, so one wishes to cast aspersions, cast them
on the editors.

Now, if only the editors at the (suburban Chicago) Daily Herald would refrain
from editing before that first cup of coffee, my blood pressure might drop a
point or two.

My dad used to work for the Tribune and he had his horror stories, too.
Bill Baka

In article <[email hidden]>,

Zoot Katz said:

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Don'cha just hate it when people verb a noun?

I think "bike" is an understandable and almost acceptable substitute
for "ride", and vice versa.

I'm preferring to feel so unconstrained, muhself.

Quoted message said:

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On the other hand, I do appreciate a good malapropism.

Yew wood.

I understand that's the preferred material for
the manufacture of Welsh longbows. Stuff about
heartwood squeezin', and sapwood stretchin'.
Or is 't t'other way 'rownd?

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Quoted message said:

Hip-hop culture has creatively developed many nuanceful
expressions by mutating grammar and syntax. I find it
rather interesting and refreshing, and sometimes even
artistic. Irregardless,

^^^^^^^^^^^^

ARRRRGHHH!!!

'O-reeble, i'n 't?

'N I t'ought I'd be taken t' task for "nuanceful".

Bloddy 'ell.

cheers,
Tom

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"Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

>> Peddling...

Quoted message said:

>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070114/D8MKTCTG0.html

Quoted message said:

> These are the same editors who let BS like:

Quoted message said:

> The roadway was blocked by an overturned tanker truck.
> The road was blocked by and overturned tanker (or tank truck).

Quoted message said:

> We'll have more on that in the eleven o'clock hour.
> We'll have more on that at eleven.

Quoted message said:

> We've seen enough of these kinds of things.
> We've seen enough of these things.

Quoted message said:

> I spoke to a friend of mine about this.
> I spoke to a friend about this.

Quoted message said:

What's wrong with this one?

The "of mine" is gratuitous verbiage.

What other kind of friends do you have?

Well, there are Quakers, but I can't think of any
legitimate context in which they'd be owned.
As a proper noun, "Friends" really should be
capitalized.

I can think of some contexts where such possessives
could be applied: "my wife," "my landlady," "my nemesis."

If someone's wife, landlady and nemesis are one and the
same, and a Quaker as well, I'd say that person deserves
some liberal latitude of forgiveness, even for his misuse
of the English language.

Remember when people used to ~type~ messages?
Then, as computer technology advanced, we began to
"keyboard" instead. There was an interim period
when some technoid people would "input," or "input in."
Now, we "text". Some irresponsible people text while
driving.

Don'cha just hate it when people verb a noun?

On the other hand, I do appreciate a good malapropism.

Hip-hop culture has creatively developed many nuanceful
expressions by mutating grammar and syntax. I find it
rather interesting and refreshing, and sometimes even
artistic. Irregardless, It would like to kill many an
immutably purist stick-in-the-mud. I guess that's what
separates-out the wheat from the goats.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Thanks for that TK. If it wasn't for you I think I would leave this ng.

Zoot Katz? said:

Quoted message said:

Hip-hop culture has creatively developed many nuanceful
expressions by mutating grammar and syntax. I find it
rather interesting and refreshing, and sometimes even
artistic. Irregardless,

^^^^^^^^^^^^

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ARRRRGHHH!!!

Yes, that should be "disirregardless."

Jobst Brandt

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Paul Hobson said:

I point[1] was, is that the two, in common usage[2], the two have
become synonyms with the average Joe preferring /robbery/ b/c it's
easier to spell[3].

That's an excuse I hadn't hear before. More power to the illiterate!
Is this one of the things that occurs with GWB as president?

Nucular!

Wow, that came out of left field [no pun intended].

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[1] I'm being overly brief b/c my left hand is currently in a cast
due to a slight "disagreement" I had with a Chevy Avalanche[4]. [2]
Language does and should change over time. This type of thing
really doesn't bother me too much. [3] Just a guess [4] No typing
with one hand jokes please 😉

That's fine, I suppose that event spared us from a longer defense of
language misuse.

I bet you're a blast at parties. Tell me this: imagine you're having a
conversation with a stranger in public (bus stop, airport, etc.) and he
poses the question, "Where you stay?" How do you (Jobst Brandt) respond?

(a) I'm from California
(b) huh?
(c) Pardon my unsolicited advice, but you'd better communicate your
ideas if you spoke in "proper" English. In this instance, might I
recommend, "Where do you reside?"
(d) other

Paul Hobson said:

[email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

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That's an excuse I hadn't hear before. More power to the illiterate!
Is this one of the things that occurs with GWB as president?

Nucular!

Wow, that came out of left field [no pun intended].

I thought he was quoting Jimmy Carter. (You know, the guy who actually
worked in the field.)

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular):

"Usage by politicians
U.S. Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and George
W. Bush have all used this pronunciation.[3][4][5]

Jimmy Carter in particular had served as an officer on a United States Navy
experimental nuclear submarine,[6] and would have been well exposed to both
pronunciations."