Lanids Poll

chester said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

2) Do you care?

"Lanids"

3) can you spell?

Dumbass,

Its "Flandis".

You're welcome.

-bdbafh

chester said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Yes

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

No

--
Davey Crockett

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Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

I'm convinced he is as innocent as all the other main contenders.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

That the doping hunters spoilt the Tour de France? Yes, I do.

Benjo

benjo maso said:

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

I'm convinced he is as innocent as all the other main contenders.

Or, are you innocent that the contenders are mainly convinced of their
guilt?

Andre

chester said:

1) Landis guilty?

Yes.

chester said:

2) Do you care?

Yes. If we are going to get a cleaner sport, we have to start somewhere. I agree he is as guilty as the other main contenders, but we certainly cannot rely on testing alone to catch all the cheats.

That said, I would like the sportspeople from other sports involved in the OP debacle (eg football, tennis) to also be named and shamed.

patch70 said:

Yes. If we are going to get a cleaner sport, we have to start
somewhere. I agree he is as guilty as the other main contenders, but we
certainly cannot rely on testing alone to catch all the cheats.

This could be read as "let the best cheater win". With heavy collateral
damage.

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That said, I would like the sportspeople from other sports involved in
the OP debacle (eg football, tennis) to also be named and shamed.

When rules are made that cannot be fairly and openly enforced, the
"shame" is not with the athletes.

IOW, when the guy next to you can dope to the gills with very, very
little chance of being caught and/or testing positive <g>, where does
that leave you? Not exactly a "fair" position to be placed in, is it?

The "testers" have painted themselves as a moral force when in fact
they are not. --D-y

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Not as charged.

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2) Do you care?

Yes, I would not be here if I didn't. He is a Homeboy done good.

The whole thing does not make sense to me. What would skew the ratio, what
would he take ? Nobody has answered that yet.

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The "testers" have painted themselves as a moral force when in fact
they are not. --D-y

Since when was a policeman ever moral?

Or honest either for that matter?

Davey, whilst practising his profession has heard the ''Serve and
Protect'' types lie through their teeth under oath on the witness
stand upon several occasions or ''lose'' evidence that might, if
available to the defense, prove exculpatory

--
Davey Crockett

Steve said:

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Not as charged.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

Yes, I would not be here if I didn't. He is a Homeboy done good.

The whole thing does not make sense to me. What would skew the ratio, what
would he take ? Nobody has answered that yet.

Dumbass -

I'll answer it for you:

Testosterone.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On 28 Nov 2006 04:58:27 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

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Steve said:

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Not as charged.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

Yes, I would not be here if I didn't. He is a Homeboy done good.

The whole thing does not make sense to me. What would skew the ratio, what
would he take ? Nobody has answered that yet.

Dumbass -

I'll answer it for you:

Testosterone.

Okay, what would he take that would skew his T / E ratio without leaving him
with a high T level?

As is the case.

Ron

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Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

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2) Do you care?

A little.

Jim Flom said:

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1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

Even the guilty can be framed.

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

A little.

Better to ride your bicycle.

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Davey Crockett said:

Quoted post said:

The "testers" have painted themselves as a moral force when in fact
they are not. --D-y

Since when was a policeman ever moral?

Or honest either for that matter?

Davey, whilst practising his profession has heard the ''Serve and
Protect'' types lie through their teeth under oath on the witness
stand upon several occasions or ''lose'' evidence that might, if
available to the defense, prove exculpatory

Tell Lafferty <g>. Too bad Pound isn't a priest so we could get a photo
of him humping a choirboy and be done with this.
--D-y

PS Don't try to tell me he's never humped a choirboy. So to speak, of
course.

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On 28 Nov 2006 04:58:27 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

The whole thing does not make sense to me. What would skew the ratio,

what

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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would he take ? Nobody has answered that yet.

Dumbass -

I'll answer it for you:

Testosterone.

Okay, what would he take that would skew his T / E ratio without leaving

him

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with a high T level?

As is the case.

Ron

Thanks for rephrasing my question. Perhaps that dumbass can answer it now.

That is what makes no sense to me. If he took Testosterone, why would his T
level be normal ?

benjo maso said:

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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

I'm convinced he is as innocent as all the other main contenders.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

That the doping hunters spoilt the Tour de France? Yes, I do.

dumbass,

the doping hunters didn't spoil the tour (or the vuelta of numerous
other races) the riders that doped did.

the riders of today are driven by seven digit salaries and race 50 days
a year. when they are caught they are not only costing themselves
salary, they are also costing their colleagues, amateurs and race
organizers.

these aren't the "noble" underpaid working class heroes of yesteryear
who were suposedly doing what they had to in order to survive the
profession.

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benjo maso said:

"chester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

I'm convinced he is as innocent as all the other main contenders.

Quoted message said:

2) Do you care?

That the doping hunters spoilt the Tour de France? Yes, I do.

dumbass,

the doping hunters didn't spoil the tour (or the vuelta of numerous
other races) the riders that doped did.

the riders of today are driven by seven digit salaries and race 50 days
a year. when they are caught they are not only costing themselves
salary, they are also costing their colleagues, amateurs and race
organizers.

these aren't the "noble" underpaid working class heroes of yesteryear
who were suposedly doing what they had to in order to survive the
profession.

I'm afraid you're not too well informed. The money riders professional
riders are earning is very little compared to other professional sports.
Their minimum salary is about $30,000; most of them are in the
$50,000C$80,000 range, and only a handful cross the million-dollar mark. The
same handful might afford themselves to race 50 days a year, but the
overwhelming majority not.

Benjo

benjo maso said:

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benjo maso said:

"chester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:
>
> 1) Landis guilty?

I'm convinced he is as innocent as all the other main contenders.

> 2) Do you care?

That the doping hunters spoilt the Tour de France? Yes, I do.

dumbass,

the doping hunters didn't spoil the tour (or the vuelta of numerous
other races) the riders that doped did.

the riders of today are driven by seven digit salaries and race 50 days
a year. when they are caught they are not only costing themselves
salary, they are also costing their colleagues, amateurs and race
organizers.

these aren't the "noble" underpaid working class heroes of yesteryear
who were suposedly doing what they had to in order to survive the
profession.

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Their minimum salary is about $30,000; most of them are in the
$50,000C$80,000 range, and only a handful cross the million-dollar mark. The
same handful might afford themselves to race 50 days a year, but the
overwhelming majority not.

dumbass,

that's precisely why there is a massive financial incentive to dope.
the physioogical difference between top 30 in the tour and top 5 is
relatively small, the difference in pay in contrast is massive.

most of the riders implicated in ongoing doping scandals have been
highly paid stars (hamilton, landis, basso, heras) who are targeting
major wins, as opposed to grunts who are seeking a crutch to help with
the wear and tear of a gruelling racing schedule.

Robert Chung said:

Jim Flom said:

Quoted message said:

1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

Even the guilty can be framed.

But not guilty as alleged is good enough.

Ron