Lanids Poll

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the doping hunters didn't spoil the tour (or the vuelta of numerous
other races) the riders that doped did.

Why would the dope hunters choose to drop the Puerto bombshell just
days before the Tour? They could have come out weeks before the Tour,
and had the same riders pulled from the race, but that wouldn't have
had the same political impact, would it? They've also dropped a lot of
the investigation and stated that the results of the "new and improved"
investigation should be ready about mid-summer. I'm sure if that
happens just days before the Tour that will be just a coincidence, too.

R

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Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:

1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

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2) Do you care?

A little.

Better to ride your bicycle.

Or ski my x-cs.

JF

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> Now that the forum is died down mostly, i was curious:
>
> 1) Landis guilty?

Landis framed.

> 2) Do you care?

A little.

Better to ride your bicycle.

Or ski my x-cs.

JF

Om/Amen.

Steve said:

That is what makes no sense to me. If he took Testosterone, why would his T level be normal ?

1. Because he forgot his masking agent (epitestosterone).
2. Because the stimulant he took had the unforseen effect of changing his T:E ratio.
3. Because the blood he was transfused with had something extra that altered the ratio.

Take your pick.

Did you notice how hard he was trying to keep his urine dilute? Did that not ring any bells?

patch70 said:

Steve said:

That is what makes no sense to me. If he took Testosterone, why would
his T level be normal ?

1. Because he forgot his masking agent (epitestosterone).
2. Because the stimulant he took had the unforseen effect of changing
his T:E ratio.
3. Because the blood he was transfused with had something extra that
altered the ratio.

Take your pick.

Did you notice how hard he was trying to keep his urine dilute? Did
that not ring any bells?

No. I was too busy wondering at first whether Sinkewitz would ever help
out and later whether he would crack and get caught before the finish line.
But then I guess I was too focused on the cycling to see the bigger
picture.

--
Bill Asher

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patch70 said:

Steve said:

That is what makes no sense to me. If he took Testosterone, why would
his T level be normal ?

1. Because he forgot his masking agent (epitestosterone).
2. Because the stimulant he took had the unforseen effect of changing
his T:E ratio.
3. Because the blood he was transfused with had something extra that
altered the ratio.

Take your pick.

Did you notice how hard he was trying to keep his urine dilute? Did
that not ring any bells?

How ironically fortuitous that his doping dodge coincidentally saved him
from the heat-stress disaster that pushed him to the brink of disaster
on the previous night.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

William Asher said:

No. I was too busy wondering at first whether Sinkewitz would ever help out and later whether he would crack and get caught before the finish line. But then I guess I was too focused on the cycling to see the bigger picture.

You're going have to learn to focus on more than one thing at once. It's not that hard.

Ryan Cousineau said:

How ironically fortuitous that his doping dodge coincidentally saved him from the heat-stress disaster that pushed him to the brink of disaster on the previous night.

There's drinking to avoid dehydration and then there's drinking like a kid on XTC. Floyd was definitely the latter.

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patch70 said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

How ironically fortuitous that his doping dodge coincidentally saved him
from the heat-stress disaster that pushed him to the brink of disaster
on the previous night.

There's drinking to avoid dehydration and then there's drinking like a
kid on XTC. Floyd was definitely the latter.

Floyd took on a lot of water, but almost all of it got dumped on his
head.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did you notice how hard he was trying to keep his urine dilute? Did
that not ring any bells?

How ironically fortuitous that his doping dodge coincidentally saved him
from the heat-stress disaster that pushed him to the brink of disaster
on the previous night.

Fiendishly clever of him, you must admit.
And notice how he wears cycling shorts to cleverly cover up the needle
marks. More proof.

Dan

Dan Connelly said:

Fiendishly clever of him, you must admit.
And notice how he wears cycling shorts to cleverly cover up the needle
marks. More proof.

So let me guess: because Floyd is American, he must be innocent.
But if we were talking about Pereiro or Vinokourov in the same situation, they'd be as guilty as sin.

Denial is not just a river.

patch70 said:

Dan Connelly said:

Fiendishly clever of him, you must admit.
And notice how he wears cycling shorts to cleverly cover up the needle
marks. More proof.

So let me guess: because Floyd is American, he must be innocent.
But if we were talking about Pereiro or Vinokourov in the same
situation, they'd be as guilty as sin.

Denial is not just a river.

I agree that the case of Non American rider Vinokourov accidentally
leaving before the bus on surprise doctor day is more indicative of foul
play than pouring water over your head the day after being dehydrated.

Uhhmerikans played cowboy athlete (i.e. individual madmen & women
believing they could kick everyones ass on their own merit) longer than
most other power countries and we're still stuck on that idyllic notion
to this day. Our kids found their sport and plied it best they could.
Our kid rode in the dark with a flashlight wearing sweatpants with his
dad trailing him in a car. Our kid did not go through "The System". US
of A did not send kids of to camps at the age of 5 based on body type,
nor to military schoo. Then came sponsors, TV and capital-lism. Next
thing ya know we got labs in the cornfields and athletes have biceps the
size of yer head just like all the rest of the world.

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patch70 said:

Dan Connelly said:

Fiendishly clever of him, you must admit.
And notice how he wears cycling shorts to cleverly cover up the needle
marks. More proof.

So let me guess: because Floyd is American, he must be innocent.
But if we were talking about Pereiro or Vinokourov in the same
situation, they'd be as guilty as sin.

Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these opinions
when there isn't one.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these opinions when there isn't one.

So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.

patch70 said:

Howard Kveck said:

Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these
opinions when there isn't one.

So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a
super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending
Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.

Were his tests mishandled as badly as the Landis samples, with the same
premature announcements and procedural violations?

Ron

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RonSonic said:

patch70 said:

Howard Kveck said:

Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these
opinions when there isn't one.

So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a
super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending
Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.

Were his tests mishandled as badly as the Landis samples, with the same
premature announcements and procedural violations?

More to the point, did he pull off that glorious 5-peak breakaway that
was so audacious nobody else was willing to believe in it?

Keep going! Pereiro's virtual win is starting to sound more wonderful
than Landis' actual win.

A sucker for a good story,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

Keep going! Pereiro's virtual win is starting to sound more wonderful
than Landis' actual win.

Virtual wins are big business. Now if Lemond patented the concept so
he could get a cut from every virtual win, he'd be rich enough to tap
Paris Hilton too.

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patch70
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Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these
opinions when there isn't one.

So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a
super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending
Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.

Yes, right. You have not been paying attention.

--
Michael Press

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

patch70 said:

Howard Kveck Wrote:
> Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these
> opinions when there isn't one.
So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a
super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending
Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.

Were his tests mishandled as badly as the Landis samples, with the same
premature announcements and procedural violations?

More to the point, did he pull off that glorious 5-peak breakaway that
was so audacious nobody else was willing to believe in it?

Yes, and he was pursued by machine gun wielding Spanish Mafioso while he
did it. Luckily, the Mafioso drivers were so focused on providing a
steady platform for the notoriously-poorly-aiming gunners that they
crashed off the side of the road during a descent and exploded in a ball
of flames. So did their car. Dental records later identified one of the
assailants as Dr. Fuentes.

Quoted message said:

Keep going! Pereiro's virtual win is starting to sound more wonderful
than Landis' actual win.

Then there's the part where, in order to avoid an Iban Mayo crash,
Pereiro had to cut across a field and fell into a cavern filled with art
treasures stolen by the Nazis during WW II. It was defended by actual
Nazis too! Mummified, of course. Pereiro defeated the Army of
mummified Nazis by rewiring his HR monitor to his transmitter and timing
his heartbeat to the precise frequency needed to shatter the mummies to
dust. Truly, one of the great moments in TdF history! Especially since
Sastre et. al. didn't wait for him.

Quoted message said:

A sucker for a good story,

OK, I'll try to come up with one of those too.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fredburger said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:26:21 +1100, patch70
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> Howard Kveck Wrote:
>> Actually, no. You're assuming that there's a pro-American bias in these
>> opinions when there isn't one.
> So if Pereiro had won the Tour then been busted for doping after a
> super-human performance, all the Americans here that are defending
> Landis would be defenfing Pereiro just as much? Yeah, right.
Were his tests mishandled as badly as the Landis samples, with the same
premature announcements and procedural violations?

More to the point, did he pull off that glorious 5-peak breakaway that
was so audacious nobody else was willing to believe in it?

Yes, and he was pursued by machine gun wielding Spanish Mafioso while he
did it. Luckily, the Mafioso drivers were so focused on providing a
steady platform for the notoriously-poorly-aiming gunners that they
crashed off the side of the road during a descent and exploded in a ball
of flames. So did their car. Dental records later identified one of the
assailants as Dr. Fuentes.

Quoted message said:

Keep going! Pereiro's virtual win is starting to sound more wonderful
than Landis' actual win.

Then there's the part where, in order to avoid an Iban Mayo crash,
Pereiro had to cut across a field and fell into a cavern filled with art
treasures stolen by the Nazis during WW II. It was defended by actual
Nazis too! Mummified, of course. Pereiro defeated the Army of
mummified Nazis by rewiring his HR monitor to his transmitter and timing
his heartbeat to the precise frequency needed to shatter the mummies to
dust. Truly, one of the great moments in TdF history! Especially since
Sastre et. al. didn't wait for him.

Quoted message said:

A sucker for a good story,

OK, I'll try to come up with one of those too.

No, stay with this one. I think it's the third rewrite of the Lance
Armstrong Movie script.

For the fourth rewrite, they just reuse the "Driven" script after doing
a search-and-replace of "car" with "bicycle."

The peloton literally explodes,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos