Road pedals

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a set
of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have tried toe
clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal

<snip>

http://tinyurl.com/ycrxt3

Not as smooth as the really nice stuff, but better than

http://tinyurl.com/ykhdwl

Mike Jenkins

Quoted message said:

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a set
of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have tried toe
clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal

<snip>

http://tinyurl.com/ycrxt3

Not as smooth as the really nice stuff, but better than

http://tinyurl.com/ykhdwl

I have a vintage set of the MKS's and have ridden the Wellgos on many
bikes. The MKS's are horrible, unless you ride them with proper slot
cleats. The Wellgos are fine if you replace the bearings with 25 grade
and adjust the cones. They do make decent versions of that style.

Also consider using Power Grips: http://tinyurl.com/y4oazf

or even a mtb pedal with pins to hold your feet in place.

or a classic MKS platform pedal with clips:

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/pedals_clips_straps/14030.html

(you can find them cheaper than the Riv site)

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a set
of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have tried toe
clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal I am currently
riding with no clips or cleats. I am having some issues with my feet staying
in a definate position on the pedals. I am constantly readjusting my "grip"
on the pedal.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals work
fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does NOT have
to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course, you care
about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will call you a
"Fred".

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

[1] I prefer the SH-51 "S" cleats for road use, since accidental
disengagement is much less likely compared to the SH-55 "M" cleats.

--
Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!

Johnny Sunset said:

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a
set of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have
tried toe clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to
what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal I am
currently riding with no clips or cleats. I am having some issues with my
feet staying in a definate position on the pedals. I am constantly
readjusting my "grip" on the pedal.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals work
fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does NOT have
to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course, you care
about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will call you a
"Fred".

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

[1] I prefer the SH-51 "S" cleats for road use, since accidental
disengagement is much less likely compared to the SH-55 "M" cleats.

Another cool thing I discovered (I was the guy who started the thread about
using SPD on the road) - Shimano sell clip-in platforms that go on top of
their clipless pedals. I wouldn't do a long ride on them, but I like these
for short trips where I'm going to be spending most of the time off the
bike. The "walkable" SPD shoes are good, but for more than a few miles
walking I'd rather have normal shoes.

--
Jim

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a set
of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have tried toe
clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal I am currently
riding with no clips or cleats. I am having some issues with my feet staying
in a definate position on the pedals. I am constantly readjusting my "grip"
on the pedal.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Kyle

Well I don't know what your budget is, or what type of shoe / pedals you
seek, but for my first pair of shoes and pedal (now a year old) I spent
under $100 for the whole package at nashbar. If you shop around you
should be able to find a combo in your price range.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Johnny Sunset said:

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals work
fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does NOT have
to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course, you care
about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will call you a
"Fred".

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats, or
riding much with roadies, or you wouldn't spout such [censored].

--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Michael Warner said:

Quoted message said:

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats, or
riding much with roadies, or you wouldn't spout such [censored].

I'm no racer, but I find the M-520s fine for general road use.

The 520s have more rotational friction than expensive pedals (although still
a small amount as a proportion of the whole system), weigh about 160g more,
and are probably slightly less aero. Neither of these things bother me, and
they seem to be very durable - how else would you say they are worse?

--
Jim

Michael Warner said:

Johnny Sunset said:

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals work
fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does NOT have
to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course, you care
about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will call you a
"Fred".

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats, or
riding much with roadies, or you wouldn't spout such [censored].

Did the original poster say he [1] was a hard core roadie, where the
road pedals MIGHT provide some advantage during hard sprinting?

My feet do not accidentally come off the pedals, wobble on the pedals
and I do not get "hot foot" or feel a pressure point from the smaller
SPD cleat. So just how would the road pedals and cleats improve my
experience, Mr. Warner?

What great and wonderful advantages do road pedals provide over ATB
pedals Mr. Warner?

Are you offended because you are a conformist roadie, Mr. Warner?

Enjoy waddling like a duck the next time you NEED to walk while wearing
your cycling shoes, Mr. Warner.

[1] Probably male if named Kyle (but not definitive).

--
Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!

Jim Higson said:

Michael Warner said:

Quoted message said:

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats, or
riding much with roadies, or you wouldn't spout such [censored].

I'm no racer, but I find the M-520s fine for general road use.

The 520s have more rotational friction than expensive pedals (although still
a small amount as a proportion of the whole system), weigh about 160g more,
and are probably slightly less aero. Neither of these things bother me, and
they seem to be very durable - how else would you say they are worse?

Good Grief Jim,

160 unnecessary grams of mass, a few more miliwatts of power to rotate
the pedals on their spindles and the potential for a tiny bit of
additional aerodynamic drag!

HOW CAN YOU PUT UP WITH SUCH [censored] ON YOUR BICYCLE! ;-)

--
Tom "SPuD" Sherman - Post Free or Die!

Michael Warner said:

Johnny Sunset said:

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals work
fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does NOT have
to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course, you care
about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will call you a
"Fred".

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in my
experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats

And what, pray tell, are "decent road pedals and cleats"?

Quoted message said:

, or
riding much with roadies,

Oh, yeah, "roadies" don't use SPD; I forgot. But normal, self thinking
people who don't want to walk like a duck often do.

or you wouldn't spout such [censored].

Quoted message said:

Take yer own advice!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats

And what, pray tell, are "decent road pedals and cleats"?<<

Pedals and cleats that look cool, have some "bling" factor and have at the
least a composite or some titanium in 'em. Oh, and you gotta be able to walk
like you've been riding all day without the saddle.

jj1075 <A roadie who's tried 'em all and "settled" for SPD>

KM said:

Good evening. For arguments sake..let's just say that I cannot afford a set
of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present time. I have tried toe
clips in the past and am ok with using them. I am curious as to what you
might suggest as a good (or at least decent) road bike pedal I am currently
riding with no clips or cleats. I am having some issues with my feet staying
in a definate position on the pedals. I am constantly readjusting my "grip"
on the pedal.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Kyle

New pedals with clips and straps that don't completely suck will cost
more than very usable clipless systems. Nashbar has both road and mtb
clipless pedals for $25 and shoes for almost that cheap. A LBS should
also have similar stuff. If that is too expensive, my vote is for
old-fashioned quill pedals and clips and straps that the LBS has on
some junk bike or in the used parts bin.

I use some old MKS Sylvan road pedals I found on a junk bike the LBS
was throwing away. They also had bags of cheap nylon straps and plastic
clips that came with bikes they swapped pedals on that I got for free.
These pedals cost $0 and I ride them 100+ miles per week.

Joseph

jj1075 said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and cleats

And what, pray tell, are "decent road pedals and cleats"?<<

Pedals and cleats that look cool, have some "bling" factor and have at the
least a composite or some titanium in 'em. Oh, and you gotta be able to walk
like you've been riding all day without the saddle.

Yep, "image is everything".

Quoted message said:

jj1075 <A roadie who's tried 'em all and "settled" for SPD>

I've been "suffering" with SPDs since 1991. IMO, for a recreational
cyclist, the two-sided pedals and walkable shoes of SPDs makes them the
obvious choice.

Unless you wanna walk like a duck and wear your cleats down. ;-)

"Johnny Sunset" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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Jim Higson said:

Michael Warner said:

> The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in
> my experience.

Which obviously doesn't include using decent road pedals and
cleats, or riding much with roadies, or you wouldn't spout such
[censored].

I'm no racer, but I find the M-520s fine for general road use.

The 520s have more rotational friction than expensive pedals
(although still a small amount as a proportion of the whole system),
weigh about 160g more, and are probably slightly less aero. Neither
of these things bother me, and they seem to be very durable - how
else would you say they are worse?

Good Grief Jim,

160 unnecessary grams of mass, a few more miliwatts of power to rotate
the pedals on their spindles and the potential for a tiny bit of
additional aerodynamic drag!

HOW CAN YOU PUT UP WITH SUCH [censored] ON YOUR BICYCLE! ;-)

To paraphrase Inspector Clouseau at the end of The Pink Panther:

"Well, you know, it isn't easy... "

Ozark Bicycle said:

jj1075 wrote:
I've been "suffering" with SPDs since 1991. IMO, for a recreational
cyclist, the two-sided pedals and walkable shoes of SPDs makes them the
obvious choice.

Unless you wanna walk like a duck and wear your cleats down. ;-)

Which spud pedals, ATB or road, have adjustable release tension?

Wearing cleats down is a viable criticism.

Walking like a duck is a "who cares", IMHO <g>.

I've been pretty happy with my Ultegra 6610's, a good chunk of that
because the "pontoon" cleats are more secure to walk in.

I've used spuds in Spin class. OK, a little too easy to pop out of for
me personally, at least on those pedals (brand unknown).

The "fred" thing? Somebody might be trying to tell you something...

We've had spud ATB shoes, sandals, mountain bikes with knobbies, and
even 'bents on the various "roadie" rides I've attended over the years.
No ostracism for *what* you ride, it's *how* you ride. And personal
cleanliness, too, of course, if BO and/or transparent/holy shorts cross
over certain grey lines of acceptability. Some people want to be
"freds" even where no offence was offered in the first place, is my
observation. "Rebels without a cause", we call them. --D-y

Jim Higson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Good evening. For arguments sake.. let's just say that I cannot
afford a set of clipless pedals, cleats and shoes at the present
time. I have tried toe clips in the past and am ok with using
them. I am curious as to what you might suggest as a good (or at
least decent) road bike pedal I am currently riding with no clips
or cleats. I am having some issues with my feet staying in a
definate position on the pedals. I am constantly readjusting my
"grip" on the pedal. Any help would be great!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As recently discussed on this group, mountain bike clipless pedals
work fine for road use and have the added advantage that one does
NOT have to walk like a duck when off the bike. Unless, of course,
you care about the peer pressure from conformist roadies who will
call you a "Fred".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The least expensive Shimano SPD pedals and cleats [1] work fine in
my experience.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[1] I prefer the SH-51 "S" cleats for road use, since accidental
disengagement is much less likely compared to the SH-55 "M" cleats.

Quoted message said:

Another cool thing I discovered (I was the guy who started the
thread about using SPD on the road) - Shimano sell clip-in platforms
that go on top of their clipless pedals. I wouldn't do a long ride
on them, but I like these for short trips where I'm going to be
spending most of the time off the bike. The "walkable" SPD shoes
are good, but for more than a few miles walking I'd rather have
normal shoes.

That's the hard way of mixed use if you do that often. Try:

http://tinyurl.com/uaeyh

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jj1075 wrote:
I've been "suffering" with SPDs since 1991. IMO, for a recreational
cyclist, the two-sided pedals and walkable shoes of SPDs makes them the
obvious choice.

Unless you wanna walk like a duck and wear your cleats down. ;-)

Which spud pedals, ATB or road, have adjustable release tension?

*Every* one I have ever seen? Which ones *do not* have adjustable
release tension?

Quoted message said:

Wearing cleats down is a viable criticism.

Gee thanks for agreeing. It means the world to me.

Quoted message said:

Walking like a duck is a "who cares", IMHO <g>.

It goes beyond "walking like a duck" and extends into unsure footing.
Years ago, a friend's GF, an experienced rider, came upon a stop sign
at the top of a fairly steep rise. When she put a foot down, her big
exposed cleat slipped on the pavement, she went down and got a pretty
nasty knee laceration. Walkable shoes with a recessed cleat and a
reasonable sole probably wouldn't have slid on the pavement. Pro racers
don't come upon stop signs, do they?

Quoted message said:

I've been pretty happy with my Ultegra 6610's, a good chunk of that
because the "pontoon" cleats are more secure to walk in.

I've used spuds in Spin class. OK, a little too easy to pop out of for
me personally, at least on those pedals (brand unknown).

The "fred" thing? Somebody might be trying to tell you something...

Huh? Tom Sherman mentioned that not me.

Quoted message said:

We've had spud ATB shoes, sandals, mountain bikes with knobbies, and
even 'bents on the various "roadie" rides I've attended over the years.
No ostracism for *what* you ride, it's *how* you ride. And personal
cleanliness, too, of course, if BO and/or transparent/holy shorts cross
over certain grey lines of acceptability. Some people want to be
"freds" even where no offence was offered in the first place, is my
observation. "Rebels without a cause", we call them. --D-y

WTF are you going on about?

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jj1075 wrote:
I've been "suffering" with SPDs since 1991. IMO, for a recreational
cyclist, the two-sided pedals and walkable shoes of SPDs makes them the
obvious choice.

Unless you wanna walk like a duck and wear your cleats down. ;-)

Which spud pedals, ATB or road, have adjustable release tension?

Wearing cleats down is a viable criticism.

Walking like a duck is a "who cares", IMHO <g>.

If your rides never involve walking more than a few feet at a time off
the bike, and you can get someone to pick you up with a motor vehicle
in the rare case when the bike becomes broken beyond field repair,
fine. For the rest of us, ATB clipless pedals and shoes that can be
walked in are superior.

Quoted message said:

I've been pretty happy with my Ultegra 6610's, a good chunk of that
because the "pontoon" cleats are more secure to walk in.

I've used spuds in Spin class. OK, a little too easy to pop out of for
me personally, at least on those pedals (brand unknown)....

SH-51 "S" cleats, SH-55 "M" cleats or non-Shimano copies, e.g. Wellgo?
In general, switching to the "S" cleats and setting adequate release
tension will solve the accidental release problem.

--
Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!

Ozark Bicycle said:

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jj1075 wrote:
I've been "suffering" with SPDs since 1991. IMO, for a recreational
cyclist, the two-sided pedals and walkable shoes of SPDs makes them the
obvious choice.

Unless you wanna walk like a duck and wear your cleats down. ;-)

Which spud pedals, ATB or road, have adjustable release tension?

*Every* one I have ever seen? Which ones *do not* have adjustable
release tension?

Quoted message said:

Wearing cleats down is a viable criticism.

Gee thanks for agreeing. It means the world to me.

Quoted message said:

Walking like a duck is a "who cares", IMHO <g>.

It goes beyond "walking like a duck" and extends into unsure footing.
Years ago, a friend's GF, an experienced rider, came upon a stop sign
at the top of a fairly steep rise. When she put a foot down, her big
exposed cleat slipped on the pavement, she went down and got a pretty
nasty knee laceration. Walkable shoes with a recessed cleat and a
reasonable sole probably wouldn't have slid on the pavement. Pro racers
don't come upon stop signs, do they?

This is especially important in urban riding in the rain, where oil and
grease from the motor vehicles will be lifted from the voids in the
pavement by the water, making the surface (especially the area between
the two motor vehicle tire tracks) slippery. A sole soft enough to
provide traction by conforming to the irregularities of the pavement is
very helpful in this situation.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been pretty happy with my Ultegra 6610's, a good chunk of that
because the "pontoon" cleats are more secure to walk in.

I've used spuds in Spin class. OK, a little too easy to pop out of for
me personally, at least on those pedals (brand unknown).

The "fred" thing? Somebody might be trying to tell you something...

Huh? Tom Sherman mentioned that not me.

Well, a certain class of roadies is rather disdainful of anyone not
riding the "right" equipment with the "right" style - real life
Fabrizio Mazzoleni's,

--
Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!