Telegraph motoring section

John Hearns wrote on 15/10/2006 19:49 +0100:

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Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Google is your friend
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A220219FD

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On 15/10/2006 20:22, Tony Raven said,

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Google is your friend
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A220219FD

tinurl is even better:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/hnct goes straight to the page rather than via a
re-direction page.

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Paul Boyd wrote on 15/10/2006 20:35 +0100:

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On 15/10/2006 20:22, Tony Raven said,

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Google is your friend
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A220219FD

tinurl is even better:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/hnct goes straight to the page rather than via a
re-direction page.

Which is why it's not better. You never know where a tinyurl is going
to take you to. Makeashorter link tells you and gives you time to change
your mind before taking you there.

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Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Paul Boyd said:

On 15/10/2006 20:22, Tony Raven said,

Quoted message said:

Google is your friend
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A220219FD

tinurl is even better:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/hnct goes straight to the page rather than via a
re-direction page.

http://qurl.com/c4myy is shorter.

John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Decluttering has reduced pedestrian injuries in Kensington High Street
because it's increased the amount of space for pedestrians, maybe? And this
result is not something that's generally applicable?

That's my hypothesis. I'm not sure why motoring journalists are so fond of
reducing street furniture, but I have my suspicions that it's to do with
increasing their ability to behave as selfishly as they want.

There's my controversial opinions on it.

Now for the heated debate.

A

Ambrose Nankivell wrote on 15/10/2006 20:49 +0100:

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John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Decluttering has reduced pedestrian injuries in Kensington High
Street because it's increased the amount of space for pedestrians,
maybe? And this result is not something that's generally applicable?

That's my hypothesis. I'm not sure why motoring journalists are so
fond of reducing street furniture, but I have my suspicions that it's
to do with increasing their ability to behave as selfishly as they
want.

There's my controversial opinions on it.

Now for the heated debate.

The Dutch experience is quite the opposite.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,746877,00.html

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Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Tony Raven said:

Ambrose Nankivell wrote on 15/10/2006 20:49 +0100:

Quoted message said:

John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Decluttering has reduced pedestrian injuries in Kensington High
Street because it's increased the amount of space for pedestrians,
maybe? And this result is not something that's generally applicable?

That's my hypothesis. I'm not sure why motoring journalists are so
fond of reducing street furniture, but I have my suspicions that it's
to do with increasing their ability to behave as selfishly as they
want.

There's my controversial opinions on it.

Now for the heated debate.

The Dutch experience is quite the opposite.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,746877,00.html

The Dutch are not as intolerant and as selfish as the British.

John B

John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Absolutely agreed.

Cycle lanes, other than in locations where they can bypass queueing
traffic, are among the biggest problems that cyclists face in their
quest to ride safely and comfortably. Artificial constrictions and
narrowings in the road or traffic lane are pretty high up the list as
well. Removing them, and showing that cyclists are part of the main
traffic flow, can make a great difference.

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John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

The real 'clutter' doesn't get a mention.
Its about time that those who choose to own vehicles were made to provide an off-road
place to keep them when they are not in use.
Roads are for the movement of people and goods, not places to store one's personal
possessions.

John B

Stevie D said:

to ride safely and comfortably. Artificial constrictions and narrowings in
the road or traffic lane are pretty high up the list as well. Removing
them, and showing that cyclists are part of the main traffic flow, can
make a great difference.

I agree totally. There is a road near me, which I cycled on this evening.
Parked cars on one side, road narrowing buildouts plus three across 'road
pillows'. I hate cycling on it. I always feel that in the case of a car
passing me and meeting another coming in the opposite direction I'll be
bashed into the parked cars.

Actually, as a car driver I try to straddle road pillows with the wheels.
I see most other cars doing the same - again dangerous to cyclists, as you
are more concentrating on lining the wheels up that on giving a cyclist
room.

Tony Raven said:

Which is why it's not better. You never know where a tinyurl is going
to take you to. Makeashorter link tells you and gives you time to change
your mind before taking you there.

Actually tinyurl gives you the choice:

http://tinyurl.com/preview.php

Anthony

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John Hearns said:

Class, discuss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2006/10/14/mflights114.xml

Quoted message said:

The real 'clutter' doesn't get a mention.
Its about time that those who choose to own vehicles were made to provide
an off-road place to keep them when they are not in use.
Roads are for the movement of people and goods, not places to store one's
personal possessions.

Hear, hear!

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