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Quoted message said:

So ... anyone going this year?

I tried to get out of it, but it looks like I am going.

R

I passed through LV today, but kept on rolling.

JD

Quoted message said:

So ... anyone going this year?

I tried to get out of it, but it looks like I am going.

R

A few of my friends will be there but not me.

My neighbor, Dan, will have the big yellow MavicMobile and lots of
wheels for demo rides.

Matt

Quoted message said:

So ... anyone going this year?

I tried to get out of it, but it looks like I am going.

R

You poor thing! Condolences from the cubicle!

/s

MattB said:

My neighbor, Dan, will have the big yellow MavicMobile and lots of
wheels for demo rides.

I'm sure they're nice wheels. But...

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

MattB said:

My neighbor, Dan, will have the big yellow MavicMobile and lots of
wheels for demo rides.

I'm sure they're nice wheels. But...

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

CC

I've wondered that myself, but you'll have to ask Dan.

Matt

Corvus Corvax said:

MattB said:

My neighbor, Dan, will have the big yellow MavicMobile and lots of
wheels for demo rides.

I'm sure they're nice wheels. But...

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

CC

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)
If you were considering purchasing a prebuilt set (not that you would),
wouldn't you like to know if it was going to rub your brake pads every
time you put some muscle into it? And if you were Mavic, wouldn't you
want your customers to experience a perfectly tuned version of their
product?

/s

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Chicks with big [censored].

Quoted message said:

If you were considering purchasing a prebuilt set (not that you would),
wouldn't you like to know if it was going to rub your brake pads every
time you put some muscle into it?

My understanding is that things like brake rub are completely dominated
by frame flex. Maybe somebody with more expertise in the engineering
aspects of wheels can confirm this, but I would think that any wheel
which was even basically functional could be approximated as being
infinitely stiff in this regard.

The thing which really differentiates one wheel from another is the
quality of the build, i.e. durability. (Gordo, know you know this.)
Presumably, any brand-new wheel is going to be perfectly true, but
things like even spoke tension and stress relief are not going to be
obvious from a demo. Nor will Mavic's unfortunate tendency to have bits
of the weld break off inside the wheel and make a benign, but annoying
"click, click" with rotation of the wheel. But I digress. The bottom
line is that a demo tells you nothing about build quality. The only
think I can think of that a demo might shed light on, besides simply
weight, would be hub engagement.

Keep in mind that this is coming from a
handbuilt-32-3X-butted-stainless-spokes-with brass-nipples retrogrouch.
(Gordo, I know you also know this ;-).

Quoted message said:

And if you were Mavic, wouldn't you
want your customers to experience a perfectly tuned version of their
product?

Oh, totally! I'm sure they get all sorts of people coming back from
their demos raving about how "stiff" and "responsive" the wheels are,
which makes about as much sense as raving about how "round" they are.

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the
chicks with big [censored].

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

Scott Gordo wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Quoted message said:

Chicks with big [censored].

I'll take two.

(No wonder they come in pairs.)

Corvus Corvax said:

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Chicks with big [censored].

Quoted message said:

If you were considering purchasing a prebuilt set (not that you would),
wouldn't you like to know if it was going to rub your brake pads every
time you put some muscle into it?

My understanding is that things like brake rub are completely dominated
by frame flex. Maybe somebody with more expertise in the engineering
aspects of wheels can confirm this, but I would think that any wheel
which was even basically functional could be approximated as being
infinitely stiff in this regard.

The thing which really differentiates one wheel from another is the
quality of the build, i.e. durability. (Gordo, know you know this.)
Presumably, any brand-new wheel is going to be perfectly true, but
things like even spoke tension and stress relief are not going to be
obvious from a demo. Nor will Mavic's unfortunate tendency to have bits
of the weld break off inside the wheel and make a benign, but annoying
"click, click" with rotation of the wheel. But I digress. The bottom
line is that a demo tells you nothing about build quality. The only
think I can think of that a demo might shed light on, besides simply
weight, would be hub engagement.

Keep in mind that this is coming from a
handbuilt-32-3X-butted-stainless-spokes-with brass-nipples retrogrouch.
(Gordo, I know you also know this ;-).

Quoted message said:

And if you were Mavic, wouldn't you
want your customers to experience a perfectly tuned version of their
product?

Oh, totally! I'm sure they get all sorts of people coming back from
their demos raving about how "stiff" and "responsive" the wheels are,
which makes about as much sense as raving about how "round" they are.

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the
chicks with big [censored].

I think those chicks are in the Marzocchi tent. Sometimes Mrs Dan comes
and hands out fliers, but she's more of a cyclist than a bikini model.

I've never demoed a wheelset but I /might/ if I wanted to see if
something like a tubeless set felt as spry as my other wheels, for example.

Matt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the

chicks with big [censored].

CC<<

Advice that should be part of a Tao or Dictum.

jj

Corvus Corvax said:

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Chicks with big [censored].

Nice. In bright yellow, too!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you were considering purchasing a prebuilt set (not that you would),
wouldn't you like to know if it was going to rub your brake pads every
time you put some muscle into it?

My understanding is that things like brake rub are completely dominated
by frame flex.

That was certainly true with the 70's Sears clunker I was rocking for a
while. It looked like it had been glued together, with the rear drop
out sorta crimped into the stays. A hard turn would press the rear tire
all the way into the stays, rubbing the paint off. This was preferable
to the comically loud brake shriek that must have sent the NYPD on
dozens of fruitless searches.

Anyway, typically speaking, you think that wheels are stiffer than the
frame/fork? Interesting. Sounds likely. However, I've heard a bunch
about new school prebuilts beeing noodly and underspoked, especially
under galoots like us. I guess that would depend on the set up we're
talking about. And, very likely, the subjectivity of the tester. (I was
also, admittably, thinking about the bleeding edge, super light weight,
super expensive GRS when I wrote the previous.)

Maybe somebody with more expertise in the engineering

Quoted message said:

aspects of wheels can confirm this, but I would think that any wheel
which was even basically functional could be approximated as being
infinitely stiff in this regard.

The thing which really differentiates one wheel from another is the
quality of the build, i.e. durability. (Gordo, know you know this.)
Presumably, any brand-new wheel is going to be perfectly true, but
things like even spoke tension and stress relief are not going to be
obvious from a demo. Nor will Mavic's unfortunate tendency to have bits
of the weld break off inside the wheel and make a benign, but annoying
"click, click" with rotation of the wheel. But I digress. The bottom
line is that a demo tells you nothing about build quality. The only
think I can think of that a demo might shed light on, besides simply
weight, would be hub engagement.

Keep in mind that this is coming from a
handbuilt-32-3X-butted-stainless-spokes-with brass-nipples retrogrouch.
(Gordo, I know you also know this ;-).

Quoted message said:

And if you were Mavic, wouldn't you
want your customers to experience a perfectly tuned version of their
product?

Oh, totally! I'm sure they get all sorts of people coming back from
their demos raving about how "stiff" and "responsive" the wheels are,
which makes about as much sense as raving about how "round" they are.

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the
chicks with big [censored].

Never underestimate the power....

Quoted message said:

CC

/s

Corvus Corvax said:

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Chicks with big [censored].

Quoted message said:

If you were considering purchasing a prebuilt set (not that you would),
wouldn't you like to know if it was going to rub your brake pads every
time you put some muscle into it?

My understanding is that things like brake rub are completely dominated
by frame flex. Maybe somebody with more expertise in the engineering
aspects of wheels can confirm this, but I would think that any wheel
which was even basically functional could be approximated as being
infinitely stiff in this regard.

The thing which really differentiates one wheel from another is the
quality of the build, i.e. durability. (Gordo, know you know this.)
Presumably, any brand-new wheel is going to be perfectly true, but
things like even spoke tension and stress relief are not going to be
obvious from a demo. Nor will Mavic's unfortunate tendency to have bits
of the weld break off inside the wheel and make a benign, but annoying
"click, click" with rotation of the wheel. But I digress. The bottom
line is that a demo tells you nothing about build quality. The only
think I can think of that a demo might shed light on, besides simply
weight, would be hub engagement.

Keep in mind that this is coming from a
handbuilt-32-3X-butted-stainless-spokes-with brass-nipples retrogrouch.
(Gordo, I know you also know this ;-).

Quoted message said:

And if you were Mavic, wouldn't you
want your customers to experience a perfectly tuned version of their
product?

Oh, totally! I'm sure they get all sorts of people coming back from
their demos raving about how "stiff" and "responsive" the wheels are,
which makes about as much sense as raving about how "round" they are.

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the
chicks with big [censored].

Years not over, but I'd say this one is in the running for Post of the Year.

Shawn

Shawn said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, totally! I'm sure they get all sorts of people coming back from
their demos raving about how "stiff" and "responsive" the wheels are,
which makes about as much sense as raving about how "round" they are.

The smart money is in staying back at the tent and talking to the
chicks with big [censored].

Years not over, but I'd say this one is in the running for Post of the
Year.

Shawn

Shows where my mind is. The only words I picked up on were:

Chicks
Big [censored]
Stiff
Responsive

Shawn, working yet? I'm riding at Buff Creek on Friday if you're
interested.

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I bought a set of wheels based on the way they ride. The wheels I used for
Leadville this year were a little heavy. I could have used the less weight
in the rotating mass department. Especially going up powerline when I was
pushing my bike. A week after "deadville" I demod a set of Cross Max
wheels. Wow! What a difference.

TJ

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Quoted message said:

MattB said:

My neighbor, Dan, will have the big yellow MavicMobile and lots of
wheels for demo rides.

I'm sure they're nice wheels. But...

What's the point in demoing a wheel?

CC

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Quoted message said:

Chicks with big [censored].

I'll take two.

At your service - big [censored] AND a bike, both in the same picture:

http://www.bikemagic.com/news/images/ib06_largegentleman_hi.jpg

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Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

> If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
> hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Quoted message said:

Chicks with big [censored].

I'll take two.

At your service - big [censored] AND a bike, both in the same picture:

http://www.bikemagic.com/news/images/ib06_largegentleman_hi.jpg

I used to not like the asthetics of those tires but under that guy they look
great.

Greg

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

> If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
> hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Quoted message said:

Chicks with big [censored].

I'll take two.

At your service - big [censored] AND a bike, both in the same picture:

http://www.bikemagic.com/news/images/ib06_largegentleman_hi.jpg

NIce! Butt, where's the seat and related post in that picture :o
--
Slack

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

>If you were trying to sell a wheel, how would you do it? (Beyond
>hyperbole and a whole bunch of carbon tape?)

Quoted message said:

Chicks with big [censored].

I'll take two.

At your service - big [censored] AND a bike, both in the same picture:

http://www.bikemagic.com/news/images/ib06_largegentleman_hi.jpg

Nice. Now there's a rigid bike under some load!

Matt

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

So ... anyone going this year?

I tried to get out of it, but it looks like I am going.

R

You poor thing! Condolences from the cubicle!

/s

Yah Yah ... the show has it's points, but I have been doing this since
'79 and it is getting harder and harder to get up for it .... (Have at
Bill). It is also time away from the family ....without any riding
...... oh the shame.

R