Raising handlebars?

elyob said the following on 19/09/2006 13:49:

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Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset, but
rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the handlebars
didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking it's best to
ask the FOAK on here ...

Have you walloped the huge bolt downwards with a hammer to release the
wedge? (Sorry - I meant "Have you applied gentle percussive force..."😉

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elyob said:

Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset, but
rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the handlebars
didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking it's best to
ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

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elyob said:

Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an
aheadset, but rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it,
but the handlebars didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too
much, thinking it's best to ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

And remember to use a small block of wood between the hammer and the
bolt. Avoids marking the bolt.
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elyob said:

Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset, but
rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the handlebars
didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking it's best to
ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that need
loosening?

<Gets hammer ready>

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:49:45 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

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Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset, but
rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the handlebars
didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking it's best to
ask the FOAK on here ...

Sounds like a quill - does the large bolt go down through handlebars
into the forks? If yes, loosen it a bit and tap with a hammer
(protect the top of the bolt with a bit of wood). Still stuck? Hit it
a bit harder. This will (hopefully) loosen the wedge/quill and let
you pull the bars up. Keep an eye on the minimum insertion mark.
Tighten up the bolt when you're at the right place.

Tim

elyob said the following on 19/09/2006 14:25:

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Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that need
loosening?

Yup - undo the top silver bolt about 1/4", then user yer 'ammer! The
bottom bolt only holds the bars to the stem, so that can stay put.

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:25:51 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

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elyob said:

Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset, but
rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the handlebars
didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking it's best to
ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that need
loosening?

<Gets hammer ready>

No, just tap on the top bolt. You'll know immediately if the wedge
moved. If it didn't, hit the bolt a bit harder. Once the wedge drops
you should be able to move the stem in the headset/steerer.

By the look of the kit it wouldn't be a big surprise if the stem is
stuck in the steerer tube. If this is the case, see:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/stuck-stem.html

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elyob said:

Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset,
but rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the
handlebars didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking
it's best to ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that need
loosening?

DO NOT TOUCH IT!

The top 'bolt', which you loosened, is the locknut on your headset. The
lower one actually controls the tension of the headset bearing. If you get
this either too tight or too loose you will fsck the headset bearing.
Tighten down the locknut again, CAREFULLY, to avoid altering the position
of the headset bearing cap.

Now: at the very top of the stem, visible in the picture, is a SMALL
allen-headed bolt coaxial with the stem. Loosen this a couple of turns and
then tap it smartly down with a wooden or rubber mallet. The stem is now
free, and you can adjust it. When done, tighten up again.

But note that in the current position the stem appears from the photograph
to be adjusted well above its minimum insertion mark, so you /must/ lower
the handlebars at least until the mark is hidden.

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Simon Brooke said the following on 19/09/2006 15:51:

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The top 'bolt', which you loosened, is the locknut on your headset. The
lower one actually controls the tension of the headset bearing.

Ah!!! You've been thinking laterally. When elyob said he undid the top
bolt, we all assumed he meant the, er, top bolt that tightens the wedge,
and not the headset locknut.

Ho hum...

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elyob wrote:
> Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset,
> but rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the
> handlebars didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much, thinking
> it's best to ask the FOAK on here ...

'it it wiv an 'ammer.

Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that need
loosening?

DO NOT TOUCH IT!

Sorry, wrong one. I didn't mean the one at the top, I meant the top bolt at
the bottom of the stem. Haven't touched the top, top one.

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The top 'bolt', which you loosened, is the locknut on your headset. The
lower one actually controls the tension of the headset bearing. If you get
this either too tight or too loose you will fsck the headset bearing.
Tighten down the locknut again, CAREFULLY, to avoid altering the position
of the headset bearing cap.

Now: at the very top of the stem, visible in the picture, is a SMALL
allen-headed bolt coaxial with the stem. Loosen this a couple of turns and
then tap it smartly down with a wooden or rubber mallet. The stem is now
free, and you can adjust it. When done, tighten up again.

But note that in the current position the stem appears from the photograph
to be adjusted well above its minimum insertion mark, so you /must/ lower
the handlebars at least until the mark is hidden.

I'll have a look, but in that case it will be a very short stem. Hopefully
that mark is just where it widens out.

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> elyob wrote:
>> Hi, just got another bike .. 3rd one 🙂 It doesn't have an aheadset,
>> but rather a huge bolt that loosens off. I loosened it, but the
>> handlebars didn't budge. I didn't want to muck about too much,
>> thinking
>> it's best to ask the FOAK on here ...
>
> 'it it wiv an 'ammer.

Here's a pic ... http://static.flickr.com/93/247426905_c2bb158fb1.jpg

I loosened the top silver bolt. What about the bottom one? Does that
need
loosening?

DO NOT TOUCH IT!

Sorry, wrong one. I didn't mean the one at the top, I meant the top bolt
at the bottom of the stem. Haven't touched the top, top one.

Aha, so I should have touched the top, top one? The other one I returned to
its original position, not overtightened, and the steering is still fine. I
also didn't try any force to move anything.

elyob said the following on 19/09/2006 16:52:

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Aha, so I should have touched the top, top one? The other one I returned to
its original position, not overtightened, and the steering is still fine. I
also didn't try any force to move anything.

http://paul-boyd.co.uk/ebaypics/thisbolt.jpg

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Sorry, wrong one. I didn't mean the one at the top, I meant the top bolt
at the bottom of the stem.

Which is a nut, not a bolt. :-)

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Haven't touched the top, top one.

I suspect that, when you slacken it off (only a few turns) and whack it,
the end result will be a loose bolt but the stem will remain stuck fast
with corrosion. But maybe you'll be lucky ... Also it does look as if
it's about as high as it will go already - you'll probably have to get a
hybrid-type stem if you want to raise the bars.

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Aha, so I should have touched the top, top one? The other one I returned to
its original position, not overtightened, and the steering is still fine.

It needs to be quite tight.

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elyob said the following on 19/09/2006 16:52:

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Aha, so I should have touched the top, top one? The other one I returned
to its original position, not overtightened, and the steering is still
fine. I also didn't try any force to move anything.

http://paul-boyd.co.uk/ebaypics/thisbolt.jpg

Nice one!

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