LANDIS! Lying?

Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

This is from a sports article on clarionledger.com :

Landis' team has history of scandal
The Associated Press

GENEVA - In a sport beset by doping scandals, Floyd Landis' cycling
team stands out.

Several riders for the Swiss-based Phonak team have been involved in
drug cases, including American Tyler Hamilton, winner of the time-trial
gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

The International Cycling Union, the sport's governing body, refused to
issue Phonak a racing license for 2005 because of the team's doping
record. Three Phonak riders - Hamilton, Oscar Camenzind and Santi Perez
- were all found guilty of doping violations in 2004 and fired.

The team was only allowed to race after appealing to the Court of
Arbitration for Sport, which ruled last year that Phonak should have a
two-year license.

Andy Rihs - owner of Swiss hearing aid firm Phonak, which sponsors the
team - hired new management for the team in 2005. Phonak has now
decided to pull its sponsorship, citing continuing doping issues in
cycling.

Please don't feed the trolls.

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Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

Like most conspiracy theories, there is a major flaw. There would be a
huge supply chain for all these performance products and someone would
have taken the easy money to tell the story to a major tabloid.

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim

McNamara said:

Please don't feed the trolls.

Not even a competent troll: he didn't even bother to crosspost to rbr.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Luke said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim

McNamara said:

Please don't feed the trolls.

Not even a competent troll: he didn't even bother to crosspost to rbr.

LOL!

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

Lou
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Lou Holtman said:

Quoted message said:

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

well, like seriously taking part only in one race a year: the tour de
france.
even his participation in the dauphine libere was for the sole purpose
of riding, in race conditions, over the same roads than the tour will
take. the dauphine takes place a month before the tour. ultimate
preparation.
have you ever seen him doing anything or taking part in any other major
events: giro d'italia, vuelta a espagna, etc...?
lance, despite all the greatness you may recognize him as a cyclist, has
been a one race rider: le tour.
so, as much as it hurts to recognize, i think baka is right on this one.
kind of... maybe... sort of... (just kidding baka, don't jump to your
keyboard).

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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:19:18 +0200, Lou Holtman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah they're all on drugs.

People are now playing the genetics card to
reason it's why Lance was so good. Sure it's
true that genetics play a part, but all the people
that compete at the tour level are genetically
rare. It's not like the they're chumps and freds.

So of course any tiny advantage is going to be
sought after and taken advantage of. It's human
nature. And drugs definitely give someone who's
already genetically gifted and trains like mad an
edge, it's undisputable.

So the name of the game now is avoiding detection,
and I'm certain there are many ways this can
be done.

My two bits.

Eric

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

Lance did a great job of playing guys off of one another. His last, he'd go on a
break with Basso one day and with Ullrich and Kloden the next. Net result they'd
fight for second and Armstrong gets the win.

Ron

M. Bakunin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Lou Holtman said:

Quoted message said:

Sure Lance had a genetic card up his sleeve, but he also had a very good
team leader to make the strategy for him. If Lance had been assigned as
a Domestique for one of the other guys then one of them might have won.
Strategy played a big part too. It isn't just muscle out there, it is
brains and planning too.

What strategy?

well, like seriously taking part only in one race a year: the tour de
france.
even his participation in the dauphine libere was for the sole purpose
of riding, in race conditions, over the same roads than the tour will
take. the dauphine takes place a month before the tour. ultimate
preparation.
have you ever seen him doing anything or taking part in any other major
events: giro d'italia, vuelta a espagna, etc...?
lance, despite all the greatness you may recognize him as a cyclist, has
been a one race rider: le tour.
so, as much as it hurts to recognize, i think baka is right on this one.
kind of... maybe... sort of... (just kidding baka, don't jump to your
keyboard).

That's no strategy. That's a choice only a very very few riders can
make. It helps if you are an American in a American team.

Lou
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Lou Holtman said:

That's no strategy.

oh, i'm sorry. i didn't realize it was a walk in the park, completely
disconnected of his ultimate goal: win the tour.

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Quoted message said:

Could be.

But I don't know why people bemoan the obvious regarding Tour de France
winners, and the other participants.

Come on, folks. Common sense tells us that bikers CAN NOT EVEN COMPETE
in this event unless they're fueled by illegal, but largely
undetectable, enhancement drugs! ALL OF 'EM! And sometimes, like
Floyd, they get caught.

And please don't insist that Lance Armstrong "won the right way,"
unless you also mean the wrong way!

Now, for the umpteenth time, "for all you youngsters out there," with
so many multi-millions of endorsement and appearance $ DOLLARS $ at
stake, do you think ANY rational biker would even consider ENTERING a
big event like the TDF without FIRST carefully choosing to ingest the
best possible menu of performance-enhancing drugs?

And do you think ONE guy--Armstrong--could win SEVEN straight
TDFs--against fierce world-class competition--without the assistance of
drugs?

And do you even fully believe Lance's cancer survival stories? Like
overcoming BRAIN cancer? Like, you don't buy the notion that, just
maybe, some public relations-cum- sports agent didn't dream at least
some of this up to boost publicity and recognition?
What a STORY, right? Don't cry because you bought it hook, line and
sinker. After all, you're not alone!

IF you're STILL in denial, relax. And enjoy future Tours de France,
safe in the knowledge that all those buff young men are on illegal
chemicals, and thus the field is, after all, truly COMPETITIVE.

Maybe we'll call it the Tour de Drug, or Tour de Hormone, or Tour de
Alchemie, oui?

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems later
in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you would
normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?
Bill Baka

Bill-
When D2 wrote
"...if a recreational rider could get their hands on the dope you're
obviously taking, they could pedal to the moon on a rusty Huffy."

he was not referring to Landis - D2 was referring to the troller.. ehm,
I meant the original poster.

D2-
Don't feed the trolls.

All-
In spite of voluminous evidence to the contrary, I do not consider Bill
Baka to be a troll.

Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

I reject your reality and substitute my own...

Paul O said:

Bill Baka said:

D2 said:

Well, I don't know about Armstrong or Landis vis a vis the doping
scandals but I'm fairly certain that if a recreational rider could get
their hands on the dope you're obviously taking, they could pedal to
the moon on a rusty Huffy.

Get well soon.

PS Lay off the CAPS, it makes you read like a troll . . . . .oh,
nevermind.

It has been brought to attention medically that heavy dopers, weight
lifters in particular, set themselves up for all kinds of problems
later in life, like early heart attacks, strokes, and things that you
would normally expect to happen to much older people.
Is winning worth 10 or more years off your lifetime?
Bill Baka

Bill-
When D2 wrote
"...if a recreational rider could get their hands on the dope you're
obviously taking, they could pedal to the moon on a rusty Huffy."

he was not referring to Landis - D2 was referring to the troller.. ehm,
I meant the original poster.

D2-
Don't feed the trolls.

All-
In spite of voluminous evidence to the contrary, I do not consider Bill
Baka to be a troll.

Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

I reject your reality and substitute my own...

I really am not trying to be a troll, although my MTB Huffy riding has
gotten me less than a serious cyclist reputation here. My bad habit is
responding to the real trolls like Dolan, Brickston, Vandeman, etc.
My riding is just unorthodox compared to the roadies. I find a trail and
forget the road. When I run out of ridable trail I carry the bike.
I am in the country, not the city, so there are plenty of dirt trails.
Bill Baka

Luke said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim

McNamara said:

Please don't feed the trolls.

Not even a competent troll: he didn't even bother to crosspost to rbr.

He did multipost to rbr; in fact, that same article appeared several
times on rbr. He just changed his name.

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Dave
dvt at psu dot edu

Everyone confesses that exertion which brings out all the powers of body
and mind is the best thing for us; but most people do all they can to
get rid of it, and as a general rule nobody does much more than
circumstances drive them to do. -Harriet Beecher Stowe, abolitionist and
novelist (1811-1896)

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:29:11 -0400, Paul O <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Bill-
When D2 wrote
"...if a recreational rider could get their hands on the dope you're
obviously taking, they could pedal to the moon on a rusty Huffy."

he was not referring to Landis - D2 was referring to the troller.. ehm,
I meant the original poster.

D2-
Don't feed the trolls.

All-
In spite of voluminous evidence to the contrary, I do not consider Bill
Baka to be a troll.

LOL! That statement is troll bait... Now /you're/ the troll!

Quoted message said:

Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)

I reject your reality and substitute my own...