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  1. Saw the link on Fark.com
    -------------------

    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future

    By James Startt

    Only hours after positioning himself perfectly in this year's Tour de
    France, American
    cyclist Floyd Landis has ironically never been so uncertain about his
    future as
    a cyclist. His strong second-place showing in Saturday's 52-kilometer
    time trial
    overshadowed news that his days as a competitive cyclist may be
    numbered.

    According to a story run in some editions of the New Youk Times, by Dan
    Coyle, Landis
    is also the victim of a rare degenerative condition. Landis may likely
    need a hip
    replacement this winter, a potentially career compromising move.

    The condition, known as Avascular Necrosis or Osteonecrosis, stems from
    a 2002 training
    accident and has seriously affected his hip. The hip, instead of
    rebuilding itself,
    has broken down as degenerative scar tissue, closed blood vessels and
    caused the
    ball on the hip to collapse, putting Landis in constant pain.

    "It's slowly been getting worse," Landis said this morning just after
    breakfast from the Ar Milin hotel in Chateaubourg. "When I walk it
    hurts. When
    I ride it hurts. At the end of the day it hurts. Most of the time it
    doesn't keep
    me awake at night, but there are nights when it does."

    Landis, who appeared somewhat uneasy as he discussed the problem, added
    that, while
    the condition did not threaten his performance in this year's Tour de
    France, it
    did potentially threaten his career.

    Already, at the end of the 2004 season, he underwent surgery in an
    effort to rectify
    the situation. It proved to be a failed attempt and one that seriously
    effected
    his 2005 season.

    "Paris-Nice (i.e. 2005) was the most terrible experience of my life. I
    didn't
    even plan on making it until the Tour. At that point, I thought my
    career was over."

    His 2006 season, however, has proved markedly better. After winning the
    Tour of
    California and Tour of Georgia, as well as the Paris-Nice race, Landis
    has been
    one of the hottest racers so far this year. And now he is proving to be
    one of the
    top protagonists in this year's Tour de France.

    After finishing second to Serhiy Honchar on the time trial into Rennes,
    Landis moved
    to within one minute and one second of the yellow jersey. And, since
    few consider
    Honchar a contender in the high mountains of the Tour, many already
    consider Landis
    the real leader of this year's race. With the Pyrenees now only two
    days away, all
    eyes will soon be on the 30-year old that rides for the Phonak team.

    Landis likes his chances, although he knows that the real race for the
    yellow jersey
    has only just begun. Currently, he is most worried about the German
    T-Mobile team,
    who after Saturday's time trial, placed four riders in the top ten. He
    said he is
    uncertain what tactic they will now take. "If their objective was to
    confuse
    people, they got me beat."

    But already he is riding like a leader. In today's stage, a journey
    across the region
    of Brittany, the cradle of French cycling, Landis's Phonak team spent
    most of the
    181-kilometer stage at the front, as they chased after a five-man
    breakaway that
    included his friend Dave Zabriskie of the CSC team. The day was a good
    test for
    the team that will be increasingly challenged in the days and weeks to
    come.

    But even if he wins this year's Tour, he knows that his career could
    come to a premature
    end. "The chances of Floyd making it through the winter (i.e. without a
    hip
    replacement) are slim," said his personal coach Allen Lim. But Lim also
    said
    that the operation, if successful, could also improve his future as a
    cyclist.

    And according to Zabriskie, his roommate, and training partner at their
    European
    home in Gerona, Spain, Landis' condition has also had positive
    influence. "Somehow
    I think it has made him be better. He knows his time might be limited
    so he's going
    for it. He's on a rampage."

  2. Lindsay said:

    Saw the link on Fark.com
    -------------------

    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future

    By James Startt

    Only hours after positioning himself perfectly in this year's Tour de
    France, American
    cyclist Floyd Landis has ironically never been so uncertain about his
    future as
    a cyclist. His strong second-place showing in Saturday's 52-kilometer
    time trial
    overshadowed news that his days as a competitive cyclist may be
    numbered.

    According to a story run in some editions of the New Youk Times, by Dan
    Coyle, Landis
    is also the victim of a rare degenerative condition. Landis may likely
    need a hip
    replacement this winter, a potentially career compromising move.

    The condition, known as Avascular Necrosis or Osteonecrosis, stems from
    a 2002 training
    accident and has seriously affected his hip. The hip, instead of
    rebuilding itself,
    has broken down as degenerative scar tissue, closed blood vessels and
    caused the
    ball on the hip to collapse, putting Landis in constant pain.

    "It's slowly been getting worse," Landis said this morning just after
    breakfast from the Ar Milin hotel in Chateaubourg. "When I walk it
    hurts. When
    I ride it hurts. At the end of the day it hurts. Most of the time it
    doesn't keep
    me awake at night, but there are nights when it does."

    Landis, who appeared somewhat uneasy as he discussed the problem, added
    that, while
    the condition did not threaten his performance in this year's Tour de
    France, it
    did potentially threaten his career.

    Already, at the end of the 2004 season, he underwent surgery in an
    effort to rectify
    the situation. It proved to be a failed attempt and one that seriously
    effected
    his 2005 season.

    "Paris-Nice (i.e. 2005) was the most terrible experience of my life. I
    didn't
    even plan on making it until the Tour. At that point, I thought my
    career was over."

    His 2006 season, however, has proved markedly better. After winning the
    Tour of
    California and Tour of Georgia, as well as the Paris-Nice race, Landis
    has been
    one of the hottest racers so far this year. And now he is proving to be
    one of the
    top protagonists in this year's Tour de France.

    After finishing second to Serhiy Honchar on the time trial into Rennes,
    Landis moved
    to within one minute and one second of the yellow jersey. And, since
    few consider
    Honchar a contender in the high mountains of the Tour, many already
    consider Landis
    the real leader of this year's race. With the Pyrenees now only two
    days away, all
    eyes will soon be on the 30-year old that rides for the Phonak team.

    Landis likes his chances, although he knows that the real race for the
    yellow jersey
    has only just begun. Currently, he is most worried about the German
    T-Mobile team,
    who after Saturday's time trial, placed four riders in the top ten. He
    said he is
    uncertain what tactic they will now take. "If their objective was to
    confuse
    people, they got me beat."

    But already he is riding like a leader. In today's stage, a journey
    across the region
    of Brittany, the cradle of French cycling, Landis's Phonak team spent
    most of the
    181-kilometer stage at the front, as they chased after a five-man
    breakaway that
    included his friend Dave Zabriskie of the CSC team. The day was a good
    test for
    the team that will be increasingly challenged in the days and weeks to
    come.

    But even if he wins this year's Tour, he knows that his career could
    come to a premature
    end. "The chances of Floyd making it through the winter (i.e. without a
    hip
    replacement) are slim," said his personal coach Allen Lim. But Lim also
    said
    that the operation, if successful, could also improve his future as a
    cyclist.

    And according to Zabriskie, his roommate, and training partner at their
    European
    home in Gerona, Spain, Landis' condition has also had positive
    influence. "Somehow
    I think it has made him be better. He knows his time might be limited
    so he's going
    for it. He's on a rampage."

    Personally, I find it incredible that he can ride at this level for any
    prolonged period with avascular necrosis of the hip.

    Steve

  3. Lindsay said:

    Saw the link on Fark.com
    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future
    By James Startt

    According to a story run in some editions of the New Youk Times, by Dan
    Coyle, Landis
    is also the victim of a rare degenerative condition. Landis may likely
    need a hip
    replacement this winter, a potentially career compromising move.

    Original articles at
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/sports/othersports/09landis-magazine.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/sports/othersports/10landiscnd.html

    WTF is it with American tour contenders?
    Lemond got shot and developed virtual mitochondria disorder,
    Armstrong got cancer, Landis has severe bone necrosis,
    and Tyler Hamilton came down with career-ending
    Munchausen syndrome. Maybe Julich is smarter than
    we think - he crashes out of races 'cause he doesn't want
    to jinx himself.

  4. On 7/9/06 6:46 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Lindsay"

    Quoted message said:


    Saw the link on Fark.com
    -------------------

    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future

    By James Startt

    Only hours after positioning himself perfectly in this year's Tour de
    France, American
    cyclist Floyd Landis has ironically never been so uncertain about his
    future as
    a cyclist.

    I hear there are certain (ahem...) "miracle drugs" out there that can help
    this.......

  5. Quoted message said:
    Lindsay said:

    Saw the link on Fark.com
    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future
    By James Startt

    According to a story run in some editions of the New Youk Times, by Dan
    Coyle, Landis
    is also the victim of a rare degenerative condition. Landis may likely
    need a hip
    replacement this winter, a potentially career compromising move.

    Original articles at
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/sports/othersports/09landis-magazine.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/sports/othersports/10landiscnd.html

    WTF is it with American tour contenders?
    Lemond got shot and developed virtual mitochondria disorder,
    Armstrong got cancer, Landis has severe bone necrosis,
    and Tyler Hamilton came down with career-ending
    Munchausen syndrome. Maybe Julich is smarter than
    we think - he crashes out of races 'cause he doesn't want
    to jinx himself.

    This has certainly been an odd day. There must be monkeys flying out
    of butts worldwide. This part from the NY Times article was
    astounding:
    "Landis also confirmed that two years ago he had an operation, which he
    concealed from team doctors, to alleviate the condition, which is
    called avascular necrosis or osteonecrosis. "One or the other, they're
    both the same," he said. The operation left his right leg an inch
    shorter than his left."

    So, how exactly do you hide a 1" leg length discrepancy from team
    doctors? I know that no one is perfectly symmetrical, but that's a bit
    much. I'd also guess the operation wasn't exactly two years ago and
    that he was able to use the switch in teams to cover his tracks, but
    still - didn't the team doctors ask, "Hey, how did you get this scar on
    your hip?" or "Hmmm, mighty thick orthotic ya got there in the one
    shoe, bubbala, what's up with that?"

    R

  6. RicodJour said:

    This has certainly been an odd day. There must be monkeys flying out
    of butts worldwide.

    That's a good way of putting it. I noticed that the NYT article
    is due to appear in next Sunday's magazine - I guess they
    had to get it out on the web because Floyd is going to talk
    about it on Monday, the rest day. If this doesn't convince
    people cycling is low-impact exercise, nothing will.

    Quoted message said:

    This part from the NY Times article was astounding:
    "Landis also confirmed that two years ago he had an operation, which he
    concealed from team doctors, to alleviate the condition, which is
    called avascular necrosis or osteonecrosis. "One or the other, they're
    both the same," he said. The operation left his right leg an inch
    shorter than his left."

    So, how exactly do you hide a 1" leg length discrepancy from team
    doctors? I know that no one is perfectly symmetrical, but that's a bit
    much. I'd also guess the operation wasn't exactly two years ago and
    that he was able to use the switch in teams to cover his tracks, but
    still - didn't the team doctors ask, "Hey, how did you get this scar on
    your hip?" or "Hmmm, mighty thick orthotic ya got there in the one
    shoe, bubbala, what's up with that?"

    Deeper into the article, it covers that - the operation was winter
    2004, the physical was much less perfunctory than usual, so
    Floyd had to fake it through the whole thing. They probably
    see a lot of scars, though. It was no secret he'd crashed
    the year before.

    In fact, whoah, major clairvoyance points coming up:

    <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/58622a85200665bc/3f3ee3862cbc2510#3f3ee3862cbc2510>

    looks like Wayne Scott and Andy Coggan said, at the time
    of Floyd's crash, avascular necrosis was a possibility.
    RBR might have to give CSO Coggan a raise.

    Ben

    p.s.
    On leg length, about 20 years ago I had a ridiculously thorough
    physical and the doctor said one of my legs is half an inch
    longer than the other. And once a girl I knew asked if one of
    my legs was longer after seeing me walk. In 20 years those
    are the only times it's come up - I don't wear orthotics or notice
    it while riding. I hadn't thought about it for several years
    until talking to somebody about his cleat placement a couple
    days ago. This is probably the least of Floyd's troubles.
    What if he crashes on that side? The pain could be incredible.

  7. Lindsay quotes:

    Quoted message said:

    -------------------
    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future

    By James Startt


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    According to a story run in some editions of the New Youk Times, by Dan
    Coyle, Landis
    is also the victim of a rare degenerative condition. Landis may likely
    need a hip
    replacement this winter, a potentially career compromising move.

    The condition, known as Avascular Necrosis or Osteonecrosis, stems from
    a 2002 training
    accident and has seriously affected his hip.

    This isn't that rare. It's a pretty common side effect of having taking
    corticosteroids. In my very first meeting with the hip-replacement doctor,
    most of the patient interview focused on my contact with cortisone and other
    steroids; apparently it is the biggest single factor in the success of hip-
    replacement surgery.

    Rage away,

    meg

    --

    Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

  8. in message <[email hidden]>,

    (') said:

    On leg length, about 20 years ago I had a ridiculously thorough
    physical and the doctor said one of my legs is half an inch
    longer than the other.  And once a girl I knew asked if one of
    my legs was longer after seeing me walk.  In 20 years those
    are the only times it's come up - I don't wear orthotics or notice
    it while riding.

    Yup. As a result of osteomylitis as a child I had an inch discrepancy
    between my legs through my twenties and thirties. It was enough to make
    walking a long distance uncomfortable, but never affected my cycling. It
    seems, also, to have evened itself up naturally as I've grown older -
    there's still a discrepancy, but not very much. And in my case too I
    can't recall anyone noticing apart from in thorough medical
    examinations.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Hobbit ringleader gives Sauron One in the Eye.

  9. Lindsay said:

    Serhiy Honchar

    What's wrong with Sergei?!
    Last night on BBC World it was pronounced "Sir Hay Gone Car"...

    --
    E. Dronkert

  10. Ewoud Dronkert a écrit :

    Quoted message said:
    Lindsay said:

    Serhiy Honchar

    What's wrong with Sergei?!
    Last night on BBC World it was pronounced "Sir Hay Gone Car"...


    Useless trivia :

    As Ukraine comes to have more and more its identity, separate from
    Russian and the USSR, it implements many methods of Ukrainization that
    are odd, to say the least.

    A friend of mine has Anna as her first name on her internal UKR
    passport, and has had that since early on, also on her birth
    certificate. However, to "update" it to politically distinct, it is now
    Ganna, with the UKR pronunciation of "G" being an aspiration. It has
    nothing to do with her NAME or how it is really pronounced. But they
    think it's better, so it must be, right ?

    Also, for Italian orthography, SerGUey allows for a hard G.

    More mysteries explained when they arise. Always glad to be of service.

    --

    Bonne route !

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  11. in 512900 20060710 124056 Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Lindsay said:

    Serhiy Honchar

    What's wrong with Sergei?!
    Last night on BBC World it was pronounced "Sir Hay Gone Car"...

    In his interview with CN he said "It is Gonchar, but on my passport my name is written
    with an H. Probably, they made a mistake with a computer or with a translation.
    Because it was written like that on my passport, I needed to use it like that everywhere.
    But please, call me Serguei Gonchar"

  12. RicodJour said:

    This part from the NY Times article was
    astounding:
    "Landis also confirmed that two years ago he had an operation, which he
    concealed from team doctors, to alleviate the condition, which is
    called avascular necrosis or osteonecrosis. "One or the other, they're
    both the same," he said. The operation left his right leg an inch
    shorter than his left."

    So, how exactly do you hide a 1" leg length discrepancy from team
    doctors?

    That's the part that jumped out at me, although my thought train was
    more along the lines of "OK-if one can keep a surgical operation
    hidden from team doctors, then what other medical procedures or
    treatments (wink wink) can one conceal from team doctors, directors or
    management?"

    Not an opinion, just a question/observation.

    DR

  13. RicodJour said:

    So, how exactly do you hide a 1" leg length discrepancy from team
    doctors? I know that no one is perfectly symmetrical, but that's a bit
    much. I'd also guess the operation wasn't exactly two years ago and
    that he was able to use the switch in teams to cover his tracks, but
    still - didn't the team doctors ask, "Hey, how did you get this scar on
    your hip?" or "Hmmm, mighty thick orthotic ya got there in the one
    shoe, bubbala, what's up with that?"

    R

    You don't have to hide it. They all know that Floyd broke his hip 3
    years ago (and it is common knowledge for those who were paying
    attention), and when one breaks it, it means surgery almost every time.

    I've broken my hip as well, but was fortunate that the break occured
    further away from the bone's blood supply. It was quite a shock to go
    from a simple fall in the rain to hearing an x-ray tech say "yep,
    broken hip...you might need a hip replacement operation today" all
    within 90 minutes.

    Amazing that Floyd was able to recover as well as he did as quickly as
    he did after he first broke it. He must have worked his ass off in
    rehab.

  14. our family once hosted a Belarussion youth for a summer, his name was
    Sergei. He never corrected our American pronunciation (SIR-gay) but we
    heard our translator calling him Ser-GEE-ah. He admitted that was how
    it indeed was correctly pronounced.

    more useless trivia, and as a first post to this group no less!

    Sandy said:

    Ewoud Dronkert a écrit :

    Quoted message said:
    Lindsay said:

    Serhiy Honchar

    What's wrong with Sergei?!
    Last night on BBC World it was pronounced "Sir Hay Gone Car"...


    Useless trivia :

    As Ukraine comes to have more and more its identity, separate from
    Russian and the USSR, it implements many methods of Ukrainization that
    are odd, to say the least.

    A friend of mine has Anna as her first name on her internal UKR
    passport, and has had that since early on, also on her birth
    certificate. However, to "update" it to politically distinct, it is now
    Ganna, with the UKR pronunciation of "G" being an aspiration. It has
    nothing to do with her NAME or how it is really pronounced. But they
    think it's better, so it must be, right ?

    Also, for Italian orthography, SerGUey allows for a hard G.

    More mysteries explained when they arise. Always glad to be of service.

    --

    Bonne route !

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  15. Sandy said:

    Also, for Italian orthography, SerGUey allows for a hard G.

    Italian would use an h - Serghey.

    I think what the Ukranian passport office did is translate a Russian
    name "Sergei Gonchar" into a Ukranian name "Serhiy Honchar" - not just a
    change in orthography; whereas Sergei prefers his Russian name.

  16. Geraard Spergen a écrit :

    Quoted message said:
    Sandy said:

    Also, for Italian orthography, SerGUey allows for a hard G.

    Italian would use an h - Serghey.

    I think what the Ukranian passport office did is translate a Russian
    name "Sergei Gonchar" into a Ukranian name "Serhiy Honchar" - not just
    a change in orthography; whereas Sergei prefers his Russian name.


    Ukraine translates for one of the six UN official languages, Italian is
    not one of them. It works in both French and Italian, but the English
    version would not.

    Ethnic Russians make up a sizable portion of Ukraine, as ethnic Russians
    make up the same percentage as Kazakhs in KZ, but there is a diff.

  17. Lindsay said:

    Saw the link on Fark.com
    -------------------

    Degenerative bone condition threatens American's future


    <snip>

    Sounds like the team has grounds to cancel his contract, or perhaps
    even seek restitution.

  18. Quoted message said:

    Sounds like the team has grounds to cancel his contract, or perhaps
    even seek restitution.

    Yeah, I wish Floyd all the best, but find the timing of these articles
    curious. Perhaps he and his agent are trying to drum up public support
    in the event of a contract dispute...Or are they seeking to defend an
    anticipated fade in the Tour? Again, I hope Floyd has a successful
    operation and can return to cycling.

  19. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/sports/othersports/09landis-magazine.html

    They have the whole feature there - will appear in next Sunday's paper.
    Well done.


  20. Quoted message said:


    I've broken my hip as well, but was fortunate that the break occured
    further away from the bone's blood supply. It was quite a shock to go
    from a simple fall in the rain to hearing an x-ray tech say "yep,
    broken hip...you might need a hip replacement operation today" all
    within 90 minutes.

    Amazing that Floyd was able to recover as well as he did as quickly as
    he did after he first broke it. He must have worked his ass off in
    rehab.

    I broke my femural neck too, and was thinking it was not very serious.
    Then the ER doc said, "we've gotta go in right now, we're gonna try and
    save your hip." Inside I was totally freaking out. Fortunately, there
    was very little displacement, but even then, they never know for sure.
    The ortho later refused to do a scan that might show whether there was
    any disruption to the blood flow, he just said "don't worry, we'll all
    know in 6 months or so whether you're keeping it." Totally nerve
    wracking. (Kept it).

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