LVM's hour attempt

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Cyclingnews reports that she's going for it early this afternoon, local time. Anybody know of any
sites on the web that might provide updates/reasonably quick information?

Andy Coggan

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do it. ;-)

We have this yearly TdF pool. Cumulative GC for top half of team plus time bonuses for
stage results.

There's this Physics PhD that partakes every year. Every year he shows up with his spreadsheet, with
a formula based upon past results. It's rather sophisticated, but he's always mid-pack. One year he
did manage to get 3rd.

I pick based upon what I know about bike racing - never finished worse than 2nd except one year I
did get last place. The pool's been going since 1991. Not trying to brag - just that real-world
conditions (like how riders are going at the moment, obviously) need to be accounted for. Connelly's
calculations in the Nozal over Heras thread is a prime example of this (as is our Physics PhD dude).

As for LvM and the hour today? I have no clue.

Andy Coggan said:

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do
it. ;-)

Care to make a guess? (Longo's record is 45.094)

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Cyclingnews reports that she's going for it early this afternoon, local time. Anybody know of any
sites on the web that might provide updates/reasonably quick information?

Andy Coggan

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do it. ;-)

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:-)

Jeff

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Cyclingnews reports that she's going for it early this afternoon, local time. Anybody know of
any sites on the web that might provide updates/reasonably quick information?

Andy Coggan

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do

it.

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We have this yearly TdF pool. Cumulative GC for top half of team plus time bonuses for stage
results.

There's this Physics PhD that partakes every year. Every year he shows up with his spreadsheet,
with a formula based upon past results. It's rather sophisticated, but he's always mid-pack. One
year he did manage to get 3rd.

I pick based upon what I know about bike racing - never finished worse than 2nd except one year I
did get last place. The pool's been going since 1991. Not trying to brag - just that real-world
conditions (like how riders are going at the moment, obviously) need to be accounted for.
Connelly's calculations in the Nozal over Heras thread is a prime example of this (as

is

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our Physics PhD dude).

As for LvM and the hour today? I have no clue.

Well, there we go:

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Van Moorsel smashes Hour Record

Dutchwoman Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel has demolished the Women's Hour Record, with a stunning
ride of 46.397 kilometres on the track in Mexico City. The attempt took place at 9:05 am on
Wednesday morning local time, in near perfect conditions: no wind and 17.5 degree temperatures.

Leontien had set herself a schedule whereby she would ride at 46.310 km/h, which would allow her to
comfortably surpass Jeannie Longo's mark of 45.095 kilometres. A crash while warming up delayed her
attempt, but she was ready to ride by 9:00 am, and set off at 9:05 am.

The ride went perfectly according to plan: After 10 minutes she was 275m up on Jeannie Longo's mark;
after 20 minutes she was 384m up; after 30 minutes she was 525m ahead; after 40 min she was 728m up;
after 50 min she was 830m in front; then she lifted her tempo to eventually finish 1.302 km ahead of
the Frenchwoman. The triple Olympic gold medalist has devoted virtually her entire year to this
attempt, at an estimated cost of ?150,000. Van Moorsel tried to break the Hour Record at sea level
in Manchester two years ago, but fell well short of Longo's mark. The Dutch queen of cycling intends
to go on for one more year and represent her country at the Olympics in Athens in order to defend
her titles.

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I expect Bruce Johnston to cream all over his keyboard.

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Cyclingnews reports that she's going for it early this afternoon, local time. Anybody know of
any sites on the web that might provide updates/reasonably quick information?

Andy Coggan

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do

it.

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;-)

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:-)

I'm claiming partial credit for her success, just like Dan gets credit for Heras' victory. ;-)

Amazing that she went ~3 km further in Mexico City than she did at Manchester just a year ago.
Either she's really upped her sustainable power, and/or the time in the wind tunnel paid off,
because that difference is greater than you'd expect due to altitude alone, even in an athlete who
is well-acclimatized.

The queen is dead...long live the new queen!!

Andy Coggan

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Her own reactions, from Dutch teletext:

"I never dreamt this possible. I would already have been happy with a 10m improvement, but this is
just incredible", says van Moorsel. After her race, the Rotterdam citizen had to receive extra
oxygen for a while. "You just go so deep. Especially those last 10 minutes you give everything,
having already been at the limit for almost 50 minutes. After the fall I had my doubts for a while,
but I felt that I had to do it now with these stubby legs and that worked out all right." The world
hour record is a crown on the career of van Moorsel, who won everything there is in women's cycling.
Van Moorsel: "Now for one more explosion in Athens and then I'm all done!"

teletekst.nos.nl650 02.htmlOpen ↗ "Dit had ik nooit durven dromen.Ik was al blij geweest als
ik het met 10 meter verbeterd had,maar dit is echt ongelooflijk",aldus Van Moorsel.

De Rotterdamse moest na haar race even aan de zuurstof."Je gaat zo diep.Vooral die laatste tien
minuten geef je alles, terwijl je dan al bijna 50 minuten lang tegen de verzuring aanzit.Ik heb na
die val wel even getwijfeld,maar ik vond dat ik het met deze pootjes moest doen en dat is gelukt".

Het werelduurrecord is de bekroning van de carriére van Van Moorsel,die alles in het
dameswielrennen gewonnen heeft. Van Moorsel:"Nu nog één keer knallen in Athene en dan zit
het er op!"

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Amazing that she went ~3 km further in Mexico City than she did at Manchester just a year ago.
Either she's really upped her sustainable

power,

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and/or the time in the wind tunnel paid off, because that difference is greater than you'd expect
due to altitude alone, even in an athlete who is well-acclimatized.

Ah-ha! So she apparently relied on the Lance Armstrong approach to increase her motivation:

"...A crash while warming up delayed her attempt..."

Andy Coggan (still shaking his head in wonderment)

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Well, there we go:

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Van Moorsel smashes Hour Record

Dutchwoman Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel has demolished the Women's Hour Record, with a stunning
ride of 46.397 kilometres on the track in Mexico City. The attempt took place at 9:05 am on
Wednesday morning local time,

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near perfect conditions: no wind and 17.5 degree temperatures.

Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the three sets of results sent to me:
46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although I don't see how they come up with that sort of precision).

Impressive ride nonetheless. I wonder when we'll see the men's record lifted above 50 km again?

Jeff

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Amazing that she went ~3 km further in Mexico City than she did at Manchester just a year ago.
Either she's really upped her sustainable power, and/or the time in the wind tunnel paid off

Well, 46.065/43.475 - 1 = 6%, just as the wind tunnel guys (5%) + Nike guys (1%) predicted. Ahem.

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Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the three sets of results sent to
me: 46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although I don't see how they come up with that sort of
precision).

The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed rises or
falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can change. You
can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

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Jeff Jones jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the three sets of results sent to
me: 46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although I

don't

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see how they come up with that sort of precision).

The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed rises
or falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can change.
You can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the real distance? I guess as
long as all competitors are aware of the rules, that is what counts the most.

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Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the

three

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sets of results sent to me: 46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although I

don't

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see how they come up with that sort of precision).

The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed
rises or falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can
change. You can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the real distance?

Dumbass -

Because when they made the rule, that equipment wasn't available. Since the current record is
compared to the old ones (Merckx, for instance), they have to use the same standard.

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I guess as long as all competitors are aware of the rules, that is what counts the most.

Agreed.

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The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed rises
or falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can change.
You can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the real distance? I guess as
long as all competitors are aware of the rules, that is what counts the most.

You could use photo finish equipment and get an exact measurement, but you would be re-defining
the event.

I guess the person to blame is Henri Desgrange since he defined the event in establishing the first
record in 1893.

Other hour record trivia:
- The record for exceeding the existing record is held by Jules Dubois who went 2.85 km further than
Desgrange in 1894.

- The first high altitude record was set in 1898 by American Willie Hamilton in Denver. He remains
the only American record holder, and was the last to do so at altitude until Ole Ritter went to
Mexico City in 1968.

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Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the

three

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sets of results sent to me: 46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although I

don't

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see how they come up with that sort of precision).

The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed
rises or falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can
change. You can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the

real

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distance? I guess as long as all competitors are aware of the rules, that

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what counts the most.

Originally, because it didn't exist when the record was defined.

In any case, it's a real pain to set up photofinish equipment when you don't know where the finish
will be, and it can't be that hard to keep going for another 10 seconds or so, not that I will ever
be in a position to find out first-hand.

Peter

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That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the real distance?

Dumbass -

Because when they made the rule, that equipment wasn't available. Since the current record is
compared to the old ones (Merckx, for instance), they have to use the same standard.

I don't believe it. What archaic logic. The current records (Boardman, Longo) were all set in the
era of digital cameras and electronic timing. There is no reason to fall back to timing methods of
30 years ago.

P.S. They can't wear hairnets like Merckx did, either.

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Jeff Jones <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote:
> Correction, and I think this is the final one if I can believe the

three

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> sets of results sent to me: 46.065 km (and 11 centimetres, although

I

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don't

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> see how they come up with that sort of precision).

The final distance is a calculation based on the final lap time. Its odd, but if your speed
rises or falls in between the gun and when you next cross the line your official distance can
change. You can't let up when the hour expires because you can lose distance!

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the

real

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distance? I guess as long as all competitors are aware of the rules,

that

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is

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what counts the most.

Originally, because it didn't exist when the record was defined.

In any case, it's a real pain to set up photofinish equipment when you

don't

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know where the finish will be, and it can't be that hard to keep going for another 10 seconds or
so, not that I will ever be in a position to find

out

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first-hand.

Peter

No it isn't. This is obviously a different application that crossing a finish line, but I think
think of plenty of solutions.

As others have said, "the rules is the rules".

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That sucks. Why not use photo finish equipment for a better fix on the

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distance?

Dumbass -

Because when they made the rule, that equipment wasn't available. Since

the

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current record is compared to the old ones (Merckx, for instance), they

have

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to use the same standard.

I don't believe it. What archaic logic. The current records (Boardman,

Longo) were all set

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in the era of digital cameras and electronic timing. There is no reason to

fall back to

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timing methods of 30 years ago.

P.S. They can't wear hairnets like Merckx did, either.

Yeah, exactly. Maybe for some reason this record was considered "timeless" and they wanted to
preserve each aspect of it. What nonsense.

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> sets of results sent to me: 46.065 km

I realize that this thread has since drifted into a discussion of how the exact distance is
computed, but did anybody else notice that the difference between the original value (46.397 km)
and the final one (46.065 km) corresponds to almost exactly 1 lap (i.e., 333.3 m)? Could it be that
at first they were incorrectly giving her full credit for the lap you have to complete after the
gun goes off?

Andy Coggan

Her palmares show her to be a far more impressive rider than Lance Armstrong. He may have won the
tour 5 times, but this athlete has proven her dominance in several different cycling disciplines
over several years and has repeated her dominance just to prove her point.

I'd put her up with Merckx as far as cycling champions go. Within women's cycling, she has pushed it
almost as far as one can. Lance can not come close to making the same claim.

-k

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Cyclingnews reports that she's going for it early this afternoon, local time. Anybody know of
any sites on the web that might provide updates/reasonably quick information?

Andy Coggan

P.S. In the best Dan Connelly tradition, I calculate that she can't do

it.

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;-)

We have this yearly TdF pool. Cumulative GC for top half of team plus time bonuses for stage
results.

There's this Physics PhD that partakes every year. Every year he shows up with his spreadsheet,
with a formula based upon past results. It's rather sophisticated, but he's always mid-pack. One
year he did manage to get 3rd.

I pick based upon what I know about bike racing - never finished worse than 2nd except one year
I did get last place. The pool's been going since 1991. Not trying to brag - just that
real-world conditions (like how riders are going at the moment, obviously) need to be accounted
for. Connelly's calculations in the Nozal over Heras thread is a prime example of this (as

is

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our Physics PhD dude).

As for LvM and the hour today? I have no clue.

Well, there we go:

cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

Van Moorsel smashes Hour Record

Dutchwoman Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel has demolished the Women's Hour Record, with a stunning
ride of 46.397 kilometres on the track in Mexico City. The attempt took place at 9:05 am on
Wednesday morning local time, in near perfect conditions: no wind and 17.5 degree temperatures.

Leontien had set herself a schedule whereby she would ride at 46.310 km/h, which would allow her
to comfortably surpass Jeannie Longo's mark of 45.095 kilometres. A crash while warming up delayed
her attempt, but she was ready to ride by 9:00 am, and set off at 9:05 am.

The ride went perfectly according to plan: After 10 minutes she was 275m up on Jeannie Longo's
mark; after 20 minutes she was 384m up; after 30 minutes she was 525m ahead; after 40 min she was
728m up; after 50 min she was 830m in front; then she lifted her tempo to eventually finish 1.302
km ahead of the Frenchwoman. The triple Olympic gold medalist has devoted virtually her entire
year to this attempt, at an estimated cost of ?150,000. Van Moorsel tried to break the Hour Record
at sea level in Manchester two years ago, but fell well short of Longo's mark. The Dutch queen of
cycling intends to go on for one more year and represent her country at the Olympics in Athens in
order to defend her titles.

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I expect Bruce Johnston to cream all over his keyboard.