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  1. Who can help me?
    Before the days of bike computers, HRM, power meters, muscle tension, lactate threshold, VO2 max (where do you stop) how did cyclists train to their best advantage?
    Today it seems like you must pay a fortune (on top of the cost of your bike & kit) just so that you can improve.
    Even the bike mags dont seem to cater for those who ride ordinary bikes, dont want to race and who dont have the physique of an already accomplished athlete.
    Can anyone out there give any advice of training "the old fashioned way". Not that I am against the latest tecnical aids for those who aspire to greater things but me - I just want to ride for the sake of it, lose weight & reap the benefits of an active lifestyle (now that I've shifted my a*#e off the couch)

    Guv

  2. I mean, to train, you need a goal. Without a goal, you are not really training. Without a goal, you don't need to train. If you mean to be active and physically to be in good health, just ride your bike. The old days???? You just race a lot and you get your training there.

    Guvnor said:

    Who can help me?
    Before the days of bike computers, HRM, power meters, muscle tension, lactate threshold, VO2 max (where do you stop) how did cyclists train to their best advantage?
    Today it seems like you must pay a fortune (on top of the cost of your bike & kit) just so that you can improve.
    Even the bike mags dont seem to cater for those who ride ordinary bikes, dont want to race and who dont have the physique of an already accomplished athlete.
    Can anyone out there give any advice of training "the old fashioned way". Not that I am against the latest tecnical aids for those who aspire to greater things but me - I just want to ride for the sake of it, lose weight & reap the benefits of an active lifestyle (now that I've shifted my a*#e off the couch)

    Guv

  3. Your point is well taken with me. It does seem rather complicated. As has been pointed out a goal is a good motivator and indicator of training success. I dont take all that stuff into account. I just want to work up to a century this summer. With a busy schedule, thats a good goal for me.

  4. Thanks BlueJersey / sfend002. I do have a goal - ride my bike & get fit. Having read a few more posts in cycling training i am still in base training mode but come spring in September I will have at least 500miles under my belt, so i'll take it from there.

    Guvnor

  5. if possible I would suggest starting training by commuting. It kills two birds with one stone.

    If you start off just trying to make it there, starting once a week, increasing up to say 3 times a week, trying to beat your previous day's time.

    I ended up investing in a polar 720x to help inspire and not overtrain (thats my problem).

    I find i also save about $10AUD every time i ride in petrol - that i can spend on cycling gear or repairs, improvements etc.

    Basically the old way of doing it was - calculate training zones, - ie warm up cool down, push urself hard then let urself recover - repeat for 30-mins

    a bit of advice a woman once told me who did marathons - was that u get yourself up to a level where you train every day of the week at a certain distance, then fridays u extend that to a longer distance. After a month of doing that - that distance becomes your new baseline distance, and you extend it that friday etc etc... i did that with running - worked well.🙂

  6. Go ride your bike.

    There. Low cost, easy to understand.

  7. Guvnor said:

    Can anyone out there give any advice of training "the old fashioned way". Not that I am against the latest tecnical aids for those who aspire to greater things but me - I just want to ride for the sake of it, lose weight & reap the benefits of an active lifestyle (now that I've shifted my a*#e off the couch)Guv


    Find yourself a nice route that you like, maybe scouting it out by car first. Depending on your current level of fitness, make it short, maybe as short as 10 miles. If you have a nice bike path where you live, try that one first. Now go ride that course on your bike.

    You may start out just hoping to make it without taking a coffee break, then that's fine too. Each time, try to improve on what you did before (finish that round without a break, finishing in less time). You don't necessarily need a bicycle computer to assess your performance. A watch will do just fine at first, although a plain bike computer that just gives you speed, distance, time, and average speed can be useful, and costs very little. See how you like it. Find different, longer, more demanding (more climbs) routes.

    Or: Join your local bike club. Most clubs have a number of different groups and rides, typically starting at very easy rides. You can start with those, and find out if you want to move on to the faster rides. And, you'll get lots of first-hand advice.

    Good luck!

  8. Thanks for mail guys. I do ride to work - I live that close to work that you cant count it as a commute, so I ride 10miles, Tues & Thurs, am & pm plus 10miles on Sat & Sun (60miles). I also walk the lake, about 2.5miles 5 times/week, as well as climb the steps (7 reps) at the local stadium 3 times/wk.

    I need to increase the distance on the weekend and to do that I need to ride easier (not that I'm any great speed merchant) but at the end of 10miles at the moment that is enough for me.
    Better learn to ride easier.

    I would like to train for an audax event this summer, so I'll keep on riding.

    Guv.

  9. Thanks for mail guys. I do ride to work - I live that close to work that you cant count it as a commute, so I ride 10miles, Tues & Thurs, am & pm plus 10miles on Sat & Sun (60miles). I also walk the lake, about 2.5miles 5 times/week, as well as climb the steps (7 reps) at the local stadium 3 times/wk.

    I need to increase the distance on the weekend and to do that I need to ride easier (not that I'm any great speed merchant) but at the end of 10miles at the moment that is enough for me.
    Better learn to ride easier.

    I would like to train for an audax event this summer, so I'll keep on riding.

    Guv.

  10. Spunout said:

    Go ride your bike.

    There. Low cost, easy to understand.

    Fabulous!! This is the best post I've read in months. I think I can elaborate and offer an answer to the original question, at least the answer I found for me. First, I went out and rode my bike. Then I wondered how far I was going and how fast I was going, so I bought a cheap computer. Then I rode my bike and I knew how fast and how far and I tried and tried to go farther and go faster and I learned to pace myself. And I read on the forums about nutrition and cadance and equipment and I upgraded began to invest in nutrition and I wore out my first shorts and replaced them with better shorts and I rode more and more did my first century and now riding 100 miles isn't newsworthey, it's just an exceptional weekend. And I spend more on tires now, and I re-wrap my bars with real cork ribbon each year and I spend more time on rural highways and when I almost got hit by a car I got a high-dollar helmet (OK, i'm no safer, but I feel safer) and I got a HRM and I train specifically and I train with specific improvements in mind and I'm starting to race, so I optimize the 10 or 12 hours a week I get on the bike with the best training I can fit into that amount of time.

    And thanks to new internet tools, like google earth, I can map out the 50 mile routes I rode on my JC Penny 10-speed in Levi's and a cotton T-shirt in the July heat with one water bottle and no hemet when I was a teen-ager and I realize that I don't really need to dress up in $500 worth of kit to mount my $3,000 bike just to put in those laps around the mall on my way to work.

    If you get out there on your bike, you'll really enjoy yourself. After a while, you start to look for improvements. The next thing you know, it's been a few years and you're oggling a $10,000 Litespeed - not because you're about to turn pro or because you've go too much cash in your checking account, but because you've put in enough miles to maybe appreciate the ride qualities that make it cost that much.

    But it starts from riding your bike.

  11. Thanks DCWD. Your story sounds similar to mine. Ride a bike. Buy some shorts. Buy some shoes. Get a little fitter and want to progress.....

    I guess we live in an impatient world and we want everything now. I am new to riding ( though I rode alot when I was a kid) but you read the mags and you see top athletes with the best gear & you want to be like them but it takes time.\
    If I was to spend big on a decent bike now I would be wasting my dough. Use it as goal for something to aspire to. Sure you wont fit in with the local cycling crowd, but so what? You've got off your backside, you're exercising and it feels great.
    I'd never be able to keep up with the paceline, I'd never win a race. My goals are personal, insignificant to some, a walk in the park for others. But for me a mountain to climb. It will take many hills to get over but I am determined to succeed.
    I have another hobby other than riding. I like a beer. Whilst I dont consider myself to be eligible to qualify for AA, I cant just enjoy a social beer. If I have one, i have to have two etc.
    So I use my ride in the evening to keep off the grog. The last thing I want to skull after a ride is a gutful of beer.
    By telling the truth maybe I have alienated myself from the Cycling forum. People use exercise for different reasons. I use mine to help with my other hobby - beer.
    You don't have to be elite to ride a bike, you don't even need to be a Cat rider. Just get out their and enjoy youself and please dont judge.

    Guv.

  12. Hi Guv, don't be supprised that in a couple of years you will be eating those words. You have goals and if you stick to it, you will get to those goals. Once those goals are reached, you will probably set new goals and mabye one of those pacelines is in the next set of goals.

    Motivation is the biggest killer, a number of the cyclist who have provided you posts have talked about it. When you start to suffer on the motivation front, its time to do something different, for example (as already posted), join a local bike club. I not sure what's in your neck of the woods, but you should be able to find a group with common abilities and interests.

  13. Guvnor said:

    Who can help me?
    Before the days of bike computers, HRM, power meters, muscle tension, lactate threshold, VO2 max (where do you stop) how did cyclists train to their best advantage?
    Today it seems like you must pay a fortune (on top of the cost of your bike & kit) just so that you can improve.
    Even the bike mags dont seem to cater for those who ride ordinary bikes, dont want to race and who dont have the physique of an already accomplished athlete.
    Can anyone out there give any advice of training "the old fashioned way". Not that I am against the latest tecnical aids for those who aspire to greater things but me - I just want to ride for the sake of it, lose weight & reap the benefits of an active lifestyle (now that I've shifted my a*#e off the couch)

    Guv

    Read a book by Carl Cantrell. www.coachcarl.com.
    (I've got a copy of his old site for free. If you need one, send a P.M. me)

  14. Guvnor said:

    I use [exercise] to help with my other hobby - beer.

    Amen! I measure my Sunday ride in Guinness. ...lemmesee, here. I'll probably have three during the week and I'll go out with the boys on Thursday - so thats at least three more - and I'll have two on Saturday....OK, at 125 kcals per, that'll be about 1,000 kcals. ...plus, I still owe 2 from St. Pat's....that's 12 laps around Haines Point if I do sprints or ladders. "Honey, I'll be gone for three hours!"

  15. Thanks Dot, CoachCarl is just what I've been looking for. No fancy gadgets just good sense. I was reassured to know that my riding the block was endorsed by the Coach. I was surprised that CoachCarl considered Base Training as 2-3000 miles in the last 6 months. Thats one helluva trip for the average fitness Joe but if I follow his lead I will get there.
    Today I rode my 15miles. That will be my base distance and from here I will build. I have 7 months "till the Alpine Classic. I dont think that I will be able to achieve the 230km classic but I will enter all the same (in one form or another)

    Cheers for now,

    Guv.

  16. Guvnor said:

    Thanks Dot, CoachCarl is just what I've been looking for. No fancy gadgets just good sense. I was reassured to know that my riding the block was endorsed by the Coach. I was surprised that CoachCarl considered Base Training as 2-3000 miles in the last 6 months. Thats one helluva trip for the average fitness Joe but if I follow his lead I will get there.
    Today I rode my 15miles. That will be my base distance and from here I will build. I have 7 months "till the Alpine Classic. I dont think that I will be able to achieve the 230km classic but I will enter all the same (in one form or another)

    Cheers for now,

    Guv.

    I travelled my way from a couch potato to a cycling addict in two months. My first rides were 5-10 km on my cheap used MTB and every part of the body was aching. After two months I could ride 1000-1300 km per month on my MTB without problems. I am so lucky I had picked up cycling instead of running!

  17. I've heard it said "To learn something new read an old book" Scott Tinley's guide to sports endurance was simple and not power meter dependent it wasn't even cycling dependent. I wonder if AC has some old books that aren't based on power meters? That would be my next choice.

  18. Thanks, everyone for your posts.
    I just want to ask a why are my hamstrings very tight towards the end of my ride.
    I'm following CoachCarl's 20-40mile program for building base miles. It doesn't matter whether I spin or labour but dull ache to more intense ache bothers me.
    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Guv.

  19. Well, I'm fairly new to cycling myself, so I can't give you very much specific experiencial adice on that point. But I am a fairly avid runner, and I can tell you in more general terms what I do know.

    Firstly, just get out and practice/train -- in this case, just ride. There is something to be said for schedules, but tha is not important as actually DOING it. The best training schedule won't help you if you can't keep it. That said, if you can find a good schedule (what qualifies as good is a very individual thing) and keep to it, it will definitely help you. Make sure you leave days for recovery (recovery can be a slow, easy ride, I usually take at least 1 day off a week).

    Secondly, make sure you don't overdo it, but don't be afraid of putting forth a good effort. I often find that if I push myself too hard in running, I will injure myself (usually something small like swollen knees, mild shin splints, or minor muscle tears), and this will impede my progress. There is also a "runner's depression" that I have seen some people get when they work too hard-- they become depressed and apathetic, their mind's way of telling them to slow down. On the other hand, I have seen people use this as an excuse not to work hard, which is also an important thing to do. It is up to you to find this balance. I figure that this is fairly consistent across any endurance sport, so should apply to cycling.

    Thirdly, be sure you do things that will motivate you. Many people take this to mean "reward yourself with the junk food you've been denying yourself." There are two problems with this -- (1) if you have the willpower to completely avoid all junk food, more power to you, but I have rarely seen someon who can accomplish this without giving in, doing more harm than good; moderation is the key if you are intent on watching wht you eat (2) junk food is not a good reward, because, if you have been withholding it, this may do more harm than you want, but again, this depends on how serious you are and how much you are watching what you eat. Some suggestions for motivating yourself: (1) as many people have already said, set goals (2) keep a log of your progress, this can be a siple slip of paper you write your mileages and times on, or something more complicated like a computerized system. I personally use We Endure -- it's one of the easiest and simplest computer logging systems I've found (and it's free), but you need to find what works best for you. This is also where you should keep track of your goals, as wlel as measure your progress towards them. (3) join a group of people with the same kind of abilities and goals, as I know a couple people suggested already. Best place is usually a cycling club (which I myself have yet to find.....).

    Lastly, it's usually not an ahlete's first thought, but learn about your sport. Learn some of the techniques that people suggest (you'll rarely find a single technique for anything-- try anything that sounds good to you until you find one that works well). The goal is not to get you to overthink during your rides, but rather find a set of techniques that you're comfortable with that work well for you, and practice them until you don't hae to think about it. Keep in mind that often, your body will naturally find its own optimal technique-- if you feel a movement is unnatural, that may be because it is (but don't throw away the exprience of others just because it feels wierd at first).

    I've foind that my best improvements when running is when I concentrated on very simple things such as keeping my eyes up (which, when I was in HS track, decreased my training mile time more than a minute).

    I know this is a lot, and do tend to overexplain myself, but there should be a few clear points you can hang on to that should help you considerably starting out. And as you become more exprienced and put more miles on, much of this will become second nature to you, and chances are you'll discard other parts of it based on how you work best.

    Quoted post said:

    I just want to ask a why are my hamstrings very tight towards the end of my ride.
    I'm following CoachCarl's 20-40mile program for building base miles. It doesn't matter whether I spin or labour but dull ache to more intense ache bothers me.
    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    As for stiff legs, again, I don't have a lot of experience with cycling, and I don't want to attempt to answer a more medically inclined question that I'm unfamiliar with (cycling leg motion and muscular use is significantly different from running when you get into this kind of topic), besides to say that it will help to make sure you're drinking plenty of fluids DURING the ride (not jsut before and after), and I find that drinking diluted gatorade works well for me (but this may not be the solution-- I'll let more experienced riders handle that). But what I can tell you is how to let your legs recover the best. First, make sure you stretch well both before and after your rides, make sure you have a proper warm-up and cool down (as tempting as it is, for me anyways, springting out from your garage or car and coming back in as hard as you can isn't usually the best thing -- give yourself a bit of a lead-in and lead out). If your legs are bothering you after the ride, ice them (15 mins on, 15 mins off, repeat) in the evening, and it will probably help to walk around a bit if you can instead of sitting down at a desk or a computer all night after a ride. Also make sure you drink plenty of water and are eating at least nominally healthy foods (the healthier, the better, although that is definitely a very individual thing).

    If there's anything else I (or anyone else) can help with, let us know.

    And don't worry about not having the latest/best gear. I ride a GMC Denali road bike I got from Wal-Mart (it was cheap and wans't a complete peice of junk like a lot of supermarket bikes) wearing my shimano MTB clipless pedals and MTB shoes. I have a Bell brand cycling computer I got at Spors Authority for $5 that I jury-rigged to fit on the thick part of my handlebar on the far inside, and I wear a Bell MTB helmet, intead of a "proper" road bke helmet (is there a difference, besides a slight one in style?). I do however, in my defense, have a proper pair of cycling shorts and a jersey ($55, including shipping, nowhere near the aforementioned $500).

  20. I train the "old fashion way", but only because i am 15 and i dont have enough money to get stuff.

    I only got my road bike like 2 weeks ago after 6 months nagging my mum and i ride in jeans or track suit pants. I feel like such an idot when i see those riders that look like pros.

    So since i dont have all those fuuny gadgets i ride to how my body tells me . i ride till i get extremly tired and thirsty . When i get thirsty i have to home because i haven't got around to buying a drink bottle yet. So yeh just set your self a place to ride then do it and if your not buggered do it agine.

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