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  1. There ar a few breaths of fresh air, on this site. Jason, in his wisdom,
    encourages me to learn what I can, and not judge the courier. It sounds
    reasonable to me. Today, I tried the 10 sets of 3 reps and I like the pump.
    15 seconds between sets was my resting, and I may have to increase it. So
    far, I haven't had to decrease my weights, and I'm wondering, with this kind
    of workout, what should be my expectations, in the short term, and for what
    will it prepare me? There must be something I'm missing on all these sites
    as JAWS, my screen reader software, doesn't read graphics. I accessed Chad
    Waterbury's web site and need try it, again, tomorrow, hoping to find a
    routine with which I could be comfortable. What I did, today, is my
    regular routine, but 10 sets with 3 reps each. I didn't find a link to a
    specific routine, but I'm sure it's there. Peter suggested, rather than
    decreasing my weights and reps, to do straight sets. that's a great
    workout, too, and maybe I can alternate styles. I know body building is a
    science, and I'm not well studied in it. Again, I hope to learn from those,
    who have benefited from their knowledge. Historically, I work out alone, and
    have had several long term injuries. When my bench was lifted, several
    years back, I built my own, with too little lumber. I didn't want to miss a
    day's workout, so I built it as sensibly as possible. Unfortunately, it
    wasn't strong enough to take my body weight and the weights I held,
    overhead. Because i didn't have enough wood to span the diagonal, I created
    straight paralell struts. I landed in such a way every rib in my back broke
    away from it's mooring.. So, as you can see, I haven't always been good to
    myself. I have an old Joe Wieder 5 station machine, which is about to be
    retired, and 270lbs. of Hex dumbbells. Hopefully, I have what I need, as
    far as equipment.

    --
    I'm always, Frank

  2. FRANK LOVERME said:

    There ar a few breaths of fresh air, on this site. Jason, in his wisdom,
    encourages me to learn what I can, and not judge the cou<snip>

    Well, he judged this courier and since I'm apparently in his bit
    bucket, someone tell him about Greg Rando.

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_7_22/ai_n6170384
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ronharris47.htm

    And tell him to get a gym membership where he can get some spotting
    help and not have to work out on rickety equipment. Safety first?

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  3. FRANK LOVERME said:

    There ar a few breaths of fresh air, on this site. Jason, in his
    wisdom, encourages me to learn what I can, and not judge the
    courier. It sounds reasonable to me.

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on
    this list. They just tend to be the sort of people that only truly
    rise to the occasion when they can /debate/. If you want solid advice
    what you really need to do is fish for it.

    Instead of asking for a workout routine to try you need to come at the
    question from an angle. It's also important to mix in certain *bait*
    terms and phrases like "toned not bulky," "kettlebells," "creatine,"
    "High Intensity Training," "functional strength," or "low testosterone
    levels." References to workouts from celebrities or famous trainers
    get bonus points. The trick is to appear well-read without being
    well-informed. If you know enough buzzwords you don't even have to
    string them together in complete sentences.

    For example, you could try something like this:

    I was reading the other day on Pavel Tsatsouline's website about a
    new workout program that he has designed for Brittney Spears.
    According to Pavel the most important thing to do if you want to
    achieve a truly toned body is that you have to get inside the
    muscle while you lift. Concentration is key. You don't have to
    lift very much weight, or lift for a very long time (say 1 set of
    10 to failure) as long as you really visualize the muscle growing.

    Have any of you tried this method? My buddy says its amazing.

    Then after you get a few responses saying that you are crazy simply
    spout some more random fitness buzzwords to really stir up the pot.
    Next thing you know the thread will be chuck full of evidence that
    what you are saying is crazy. There will be PubMed references,
    cutting edge fitness and nutrition information, detailed workout
    plans, and even an assortment of inspirational videos (that's not
    particularly useful to you, but let's just say that quite a few of the
    members of MFW really are pretty amazingly strong).

    Then, just before you end up on everyone's killfiles you simply write
    a quick post summarizing the various viewpoints and stating that you
    are going to try out some of the advice you were given and report
    back.

    You get exceptional training advice, and the regulars at MFW get a
    chance to argue in public. Everyone wins.

    Quoted message said:

    Today, I tried the 10 sets of 3 reps and I like the pump. 15
    seconds between sets was my resting, and I may have to increase it.

    Fifteen seconds is not much rest. Heck, that's essentially the same
    thing as doing one long set of 30 reps. Take the full 45 seconds,
    that will allow you to use more weight.

    Quoted message said:

    So far, I haven't had to decrease my weights, and I'm wondering,
    with this kind of workout, what should be my expectations, in the
    short term, and for what will it prepare me?

    Chad Waterbury's 10x3 programs are primarily designed to promote
    hypertrophy (or muscle growth). The basic idea is that you do a lot
    of volume (sets time reps), but since the sets are so short you can
    still use a decent amount of weight. The particular variation that I
    gave you was specifically designed to allow you to gain muscle mass
    (or at least maintain it) while losing fat. The difference between
    this variation and the normal 10x3 is that the rest periods are
    shorter and there is a lot more "cardio-style" exercises.

    Quoted message said:

    There must be something I'm missing on all these sites as JAWS, my
    screen reader software, doesn't read graphics. I accessed Chad
    Waterbury's web site and need try it, again, tomorrow, hoping to
    find a routine with which I could be comfortable.

    Next time I suggest a workout I will make sure to copy the important
    text into my post so that you don't have to wade through the site to
    get it. I thought Chad's article was pretty clear, but it did have
    several images that interrupted the flow. I'm assuming that JAWS has
    an easier time with the straight ASCII text of USENET. It's possible
    that you missed the part that actually gave you the daily workout.

    Quoted message said:

    What I did, today, is my regular routine, but 10 sets with 3 reps
    each. I didn't find a link to a specific routine, but I'm sure it's
    there. Peter suggested, rather than decreasing my weights and reps,
    to do straight sets. that's a great workout, too, and maybe I can
    alternate styles.

    Everyone responds differently to weight training. The very best thing
    that you can possibly do is to take notes and keep careful track of
    your performance over time. If you keep good notes then you'll be
    able to find out what sort of stuff your body responds to.

    Quoted message said:

    I know body building is a science, and I'm not well studied in it.
    Again, I hope to learn from those, who have benefited from their
    knowledge.

    To me, that's a huge part of the draw of strength training. It's
    hacking my own body.

    Quoted message said:

    Historically, I work out alone, and have had several long term
    injuries. When my bench was lifted, several years back, I built my
    own, with too little lumber. I didn't want to miss a day's workout,
    so I built it as sensibly as possible. Unfortunately, it wasn't
    strong enough to take my body weight and the weights I held,
    overhead. Because i didn't have enough wood to span the diagonal, I
    created straight paralell struts. I landed in such a way every rib
    in my back broke away from it's mooring.. So, as you can see, I
    haven't always been good to myself. I have an old Joe Wieder 5
    station machine, which is about to be retired, and 270lbs. of Hex
    dumbbells. Hopefully, I have what I need, as far as equipment.

    You might consider joining a gym. Accidents from crappy equipment are
    a tragedy that can be avoided. If you don't have a trustworthy bench,
    and you can't go to a gym, then don't bench press. There are plenty
    of ways to lift weights that don't require putting yourself in
    jeopardy.

    Jason

  4. Jason Earl said:
    FRANK LOVERME said:

    There ar a few breaths of fresh air, on this site. Jason, in his
    wisdom, encourages me to learn what I can, and not judge the
    courier. It sounds reasonable to me.

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on
    this list.

    List? Usenet is no more a list than it is a chatroom or a board.

    You've been around long enough to know the difference.

  5. It's like pulling teeth! What is this non site? I accessed it, firstly,
    from Internet explorer. There is no information available, or at least none
    which is obvious, and no explanation of what it is, other than a venue for
    topical discussion. Where do you folk get your information? The header
    suggest, it's a "Newsgroup" Is that another one of your jokes, or purely, a
    misnomer?

    --
    I'm always, Frank

  6. Optomist said:

    It's like pulling teeth! What is this non site? I accessed it,
    firstly, from Internet explorer. There is no information available,
    or at least none which is obvious, and no explanation of what it is,
    other than a venue for topical discussion.

    Yes, that's it precisely. It's a venue for topical (and not so
    topical) discussion. Of course, you can use google to search through
    quadzillions of posts, and that's often advisable. Chances are good
    that your questions have already been asked and answered. Although,
    in your case there are probably few enough blind people looking for
    bodybuilding information that you might be better off just asking.

    Quoted message said:

    Where do you folk get your information? The header suggest, it's a
    "Newsgroup" Is that another one of your jokes, or purely, a
    misnomer?

    For whatever reason this particular form of communication is called
    newsgroups, although most newsgroups don't really carry any news.

    Jason

  7. Jason Earl said:
    Pete said:

    "Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on
    this list. They just tend to be the sort of people that only truly
    rise to the occasion when they can /debate/. If you want solid
    advice what you really need to do is fish for it.

    Quoted message said:

    Instead of asking for a workout routine to try you need to come at
    the question from an angle. It's also important to mix in certain
    *bait* terms and phrases like "toned not bulky," "kettlebells,"
    "creatine," "High Intensity Training," "functional strength," or
    "low testosterone levels."

    Yeah, this good solid advice.

    And JMW insists I haven't been a MFW member long enough to have picked
    up the nuances 🙂.

    Incorrect. I said, "I don't think you've been around MFW long enough
    to gauge what 'no one' will believe." As I previously noted, Curt
    believes Steve ... perhaps solely because I don't, but still ...

    And you weren't around when Neal Fabian set himself up as a guru in
    alt.sport.weightlifting.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

  8. "JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And JMW insists I haven't been a MFW member long enough to have picked
    up the nuances 🙂.

    Quoted message said:

    Incorrect. I said, "I don't think you've been around MFW long enough
    to gauge what 'no one' will believe." As I previously noted, Curt
    believes Steve ... perhaps solely because I don't, but still ...

    Quoted message said:

    And you weren't around when Neal Fabian set himself up as a guru in
    alt.sport.weightlifting.

    Quoted message said:

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

    In the past, i noticed that a lot of posters, who were taken that seriously
    over here, ended up posting in ASW, and quite often they became the bigshots
    over there. Not to take anything away from ASW, but thats how i went a lot
    of times.

    ----
    Pete

  9. JMW said:
    Jason Earl said:
    Pete said:

    "Jason Earl" <[email hidden]> schreef:

    > The bottom line is that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on
    > this list. They just tend to be the sort of people that only truly
    > rise to the occasion when they can /debate/. If you want solid
    > advice what you really need to do is fish for it.

    > Instead of asking for a workout routine to try you need to come at
    > the question from an angle. It's also important to mix in certain
    > *bait* terms and phrases like "toned not bulky," "kettlebells,"
    > "creatine," "High Intensity Training," "functional strength," or
    > "low testosterone levels."

    Yeah, this good solid advice.

    And JMW insists I haven't been a MFW member long enough to have picked
    up the nuances 🙂.

    Incorrect. I said, "I don't think you've been around MFW long
    enough to gauge what 'no one' will believe." As I previously noted,
    Curt believes Steve ... perhaps solely because I don't, but still
    ...

    Ah, excellent point. I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs
    regarding Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. It's possible that I can
    disqualify him.

    Quoted message said:

    And you weren't around when Neal Fabian set himself up as a guru in
    alt.sport.weightlifting.

    Well, I was around, I'm sure, as my birth predates USENET by a goodly
    margin. I just wasn't interested in lifting heavy stuff over my head
    🙂.

    I certainly am not arguing that I am an mfw old-timer, that I have a
    vast reservoir of training insight, or that I am anything more than a
    pudgy nerd who used to be obese, and who now owns a kettlebell. 61
    chins with a 45 lb. plate seemed like such a ridiculous feat that I
    didn't think that you needed to have more than a passing familiarity
    with strength training to realize that it was an Internet lift. In a
    way I wish that it was a bonafied lift. Part of the reason that I
    hang out here is that I am inspired by the things that many of the
    rest of you have accomplished.

    Quoted message said:

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

    Thank goodness for Google. I would never have known that this was the
    long form of the ubiquitous Q.E.D. See, mfw is very educational.

    Thanks,
    Jason

  10. Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    And JMW insists I haven't been a MFW member long enough to have
    picked up the nuances 🙂.

    JDW is like that. He's seemingly proud of his general disagreeability.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I will admit that I really *do* like my kbell. It's not magical, of
    course.

    Perhaps you're not saying the correct magic word. May I suggest
    "turnip truck"?

    [...]

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  11. Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  12. Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt. I believe in miracles, and folks that live in
    glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

    Jason

  13. Jason Earl said:
    Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt. I believe in miracles, and folks that live in
    glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

    It has nothing to do with miracles or discounting possibilities. It
    has to do with Curt looking for the tiniest excuse to naysay anything
    I write.

    Anyway, if you believed in the possibility of Steve's personal
    "miracle," why would you have complained about me challenging his
    claims?

  14. JMW said:
    Jason Earl said:
    Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    >I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and the
    >Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST
    in a controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can
    ask the Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who
    discount any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly
    must watch out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt. I believe in miracles, and folks that live in
    glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

    It has nothing to do with miracles or discounting possibilities. It
    has to do with Curt looking for the tiniest excuse to naysay
    anything I write.

    I'd noticed.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, if you believed in the possibility of Steve's personal
    "miracle," why would you have complained about me challenging his
    claims?

    There's a wide line between probable and possible. Just because I
    believe in miracles does not mean that I believe in Internet lifts
    (sans video).

    I wasn't complaining about your challenging Steve's claims, I was
    surprised you'd bother challenging his ridiculous unsupported claims.
    The minute he started talking about being able to do 61 chins with
    45lbs. I knew that either he was completely full of [censored], or he was
    some sort of chinup genius. When he refused to provide evidence it
    became pretty clear which was the correct assumption.

    Rereading my post I can see how it was that I was misunderstood. I
    was surprised, not complaining.

    Jason

  15. Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    And JMW insists I haven't been a MFW member long enough to have
    picked up the nuances 🙂.

    JDW is like that. He's seemingly proud of his general disagreeability.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I will admit that I really *do* like my kbell. It's not magical, of
    course.

    Perhaps you're not saying the correct magic word. May I suggest
    "turnip truck"?

    What an astonishing coincidence; "turnip truck" always works for me!

  16. JMW said:
    Jason Earl said:
    Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    >I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    >the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt. I believe in miracles, and folks that live in
    glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

    It has nothing to do with miracles or discounting possibilities. It
    has to do with Curt looking for the tiniest excuse to naysay anything
    I write.

    Don't you think that is perhaps more to do with the fact that you are
    constantly giving him the [censored], and have been so doing ever since he
    arrived here?

    It is preposterous that you should constantly accuse those that oppose
    you, for so doing only to undermine and thwart your honest
    contribution to the Group. The truth is John Williams, that you are
    constantly in conflict with one or more persons, with long-running
    'feuds' the norm.

    This is only because you are a habitual bully, a rabble rouser and an
    opinionated abrasive idiot with a deep-seated obsession to always be
    the centre of attraction and in control.

    I just thought you should know that! ;o)

  17. "Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Curt, last workout I thought for the hell of it I would try doing some chins
    with a 45 lb plate - I did 50 of them - with one arm. I'd post a video but
    can't be bothered.

    I am always, David

  18. David said:


    "Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote<snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Curt, last workout I thought for the hell of it I would try doing some chins
    with a 45 lb plate - I did 50 of them - with one arm. I'd post a video but
    can't be bothered.

    I am always, David

    I lifted my entire gym off its foundation and threw it into orbit.
    Then I leaped into outerspace and reentered the earth's atmosphere,
    landed safely, and returned the gym - totally undamaged - to where I
    found it.

    No video and the feat wasn't sanctioned by the USPF, so it's only a
    gym lift, but, hey.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  19. Jason Earl said:
    Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt.

    Thank you, Jason.

    Quoted message said:

    I believe in miracles, and folks that live in glass houses shouldn't cast
    stones.

    (looks around house)

    Damn.

    You're subtle, I'll give you that. ;o)

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  20. JMWhat-pot-what-kettle? said:
    Jason Earl said:
    Curt James said:

    Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    >I'll have to ask Curt about his beliefs regarding Bigfoot and
    >the Loch Ness Monster.

    Bigfoot and Nessie conspired to pulverize the Twin Towers to DUST in a
    controlled implosion. If you don't believe me then you can ask the
    Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy. Right hand to God.

    Seriously, and avoiding the blasphemy this time, people who discount
    any possibility of the impossible are the ones you truly must watch
    out for, imo. Ymmv, obviously.

    Excellent point Curt. I believe in miracles, and folks that live in
    glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

    It has nothing to do with miracles or discounting possibilities. It
    has to do with Curt looking for the tiniest excuse to naysay anything
    I write.

    Oh, please. Don't be such a crybaby, John. Otoh, if you're childish
    enough to offer your naysayer's lament then I'll stoop to your level
    and offer my own... HE STARTED IT! WAAAH!

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/27b0016886fc7635

    heh

    That thread has an interested post by Proton Soup as well. HAW!!!
    Emmy, Emmy, Emmy. Better to have loved and lost than to
    somethingsomething, eh?

    <snerk>

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

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