Re: Air Consumption

On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:19:34 -0400, "Steve Freides"
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So, I did my pool dives this weekend and had a great deal of fun. I
can't wait until I do my lake dives next week and I get my open water
certification.

Anywho, air consumption by a diver is generally based upon how
comfortable the diver is underwater. Someone who is stressed or
panicky will burn through air like no tomorrow. It's the same for
someone who is cold or exerting themselves.

Having said that, I noticed that the more muscle mass one has, the
more air one uses. At least, that is the conclusion I've drawn. We
had a kid that weighed about 110 and was nothing but skin and bone. He
barely used any air. We also had a slim chic (very cute too) who only
used a little more air than the kid. We also had a guy who was very
fat and had some trouble but he used less air than I did. I used the
most, BTW. Also, we had another guy who was rather tall and of normal
build. He weighed 220, he told me. He used nearly as much air as I
did.

So, to summarize, of the ten students, it appeared to me that the most
air was consumed by the people with the most metabolically active
tissue. Any comments on this? Anyone every thought about air
consumption as it relates to muscle mass?

Makes sense, says me. I imagine it's not limited to air, either. You
probably eat a lot more than people half your size - gotta support your
body, whatever size it is. Big person = big consumer of what it takes to
survive.

Which is what I pointed out to a guy on rec.scuba but he says muscle
consumes nothing while at rest. I politely told him what I thought of
his understanding of BMR.

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On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:19:34 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

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"John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

So, I did my pool dives this weekend and had a great deal of fun. I
can't wait until I do my lake dives next week and I get my open
water
certification.

Anywho, air consumption by a diver is generally based upon how
comfortable the diver is underwater. Someone who is stressed or
panicky will burn through air like no tomorrow. It's the same for
someone who is cold or exerting themselves.

Having said that, I noticed that the more muscle mass one has, the
more air one uses. At least, that is the conclusion I've drawn. We
had a kid that weighed about 110 and was nothing but skin and bone.
He
barely used any air. We also had a slim chic (very cute too) who
only
used a little more air than the kid. We also had a guy who was very
fat and had some trouble but he used less air than I did. I used
the
most, BTW. Also, we had another guy who was rather tall and of
normal
build. He weighed 220, he told me. He used nearly as much air as I
did.

So, to summarize, of the ten students, it appeared to me that the
most
air was consumed by the people with the most metabolically active
tissue. Any comments on this? Anyone every thought about air
consumption as it relates to muscle mass?

Makes sense, says me. I imagine it's not limited to air, either. You
probably eat a lot more than people half your size - gotta support
your
body, whatever size it is. Big person = big consumer of what it takes
to
survive.

Which is what I pointed out to a guy on rec.scuba but he says muscle
consumes nothing while at rest. I politely told him what I thought of
his understanding of BMR.

Yeah, I think only dead muscle consumes nothing at rest. 🙂 It's got
cells that need oxygen, how could it possibly _not_ need to consume
things at rest?

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Steve Freides said:

"John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:19:34 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

"John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So, I did my pool dives this weekend and had a great deal of fun. I
> can't wait until I do my lake dives next week and I get my open
> water
> certification.
>
> Anywho, air consumption by a diver is generally based upon how
> comfortable the diver is underwater. Someone who is stressed or
> panicky will burn through air like no tomorrow. It's the same for
> someone who is cold or exerting themselves.
>
> Having said that, I noticed that the more muscle mass one has, the
> more air one uses. At least, that is the conclusion I've drawn. We
> had a kid that weighed about 110 and was nothing but skin and bone.
> He
> barely used any air. We also had a slim chic (very cute too) who
> only
> used a little more air than the kid. We also had a guy who was very
> fat and had some trouble but he used less air than I did. I used
> the
> most, BTW. Also, we had another guy who was rather tall and of
> normal
> build. He weighed 220, he told me. He used nearly as much air as I
> did.
>
> So, to summarize, of the ten students, it appeared to me that the
> most
> air was consumed by the people with the most metabolically active
> tissue. Any comments on this? Anyone every thought about air
> consumption as it relates to muscle mass?

Makes sense, says me. I imagine it's not limited to air, either. You
probably eat a lot more than people half your size - gotta support
your
body, whatever size it is. Big person = big consumer of what it takes
to
survive.

Which is what I pointed out to a guy on rec.scuba but he says muscle
consumes nothing while at rest. I politely told him what I thought of
his understanding of BMR.

Yeah, I think only dead muscle consumes nothing at rest. 🙂 It's got
cells that need oxygen, how could it possibly _not_ need to consume
things at rest?

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

That's one of the beauties of weight lifting and building muscle.
The more muscle you accumulate, the higher resting BMR is. Hence the
more calories you can consume and not deposit fat...

That person needs to do his homework!
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

That's one of the beauties of weight lifting and building muscle.
The more muscle you accumulate, the higher resting BMR is. Hence the
more calories you can consume and not deposit fat...

I don't think it's all that relevant in practice, but If I had to
choose, I'd view that as a hindrance rather than "beauty".

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

That's one of the beauties of weight lifting and building muscle.
The more muscle you accumulate, the higher resting BMR is. Hence the
more calories you can consume and not deposit fat...

I don't think it's all that relevant in practice, but If I had to
choose, I'd view that as a hindrance rather than "beauty".

Why?

I have to eat 1,200 calories or less per day to lose weight.
I could use a higher BMI. ;-)

'course "moving more", (cardio work) works too, but there are only so
many hours in a day when one works full time and maintains a household.

Bad thyroids suck.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

DZ said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

That's one of the beauties of weight lifting and building muscle.
The more muscle you accumulate, the higher resting BMR is. Hence the
more calories you can consume and not deposit fat...

I don't think it's all that relevant in practice, but If I had to
choose, I'd view that as a hindrance rather than "beauty".

Why?

Because then you have to feed them muscles like they're some kind of
tapeworm. Low maintenance is better :-)

Quoted message said:

I have to eat 1,200 calories or less per day to lose weight.
I could use a higher BMI. ;-)

'course "moving more", (cardio work) works too, but there are only so
many hours in a day when one works full time and maintains a household.

I use cardio for health and intermittent table pushaways for weight
maintenance. Woke up at 8, gave a seminar on spherical chickens at
11. No food so far :-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

DZ said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
> That's one of the beauties of weight lifting and building muscle.
> The more muscle you accumulate, the higher resting BMR is. Hence the
> more calories you can consume and not deposit fat...

I don't think it's all that relevant in practice, but If I had to
choose, I'd view that as a hindrance rather than "beauty".

Why?

Because then you have to feed them muscles like they're some kind of
tapeworm. Low maintenance is better :-)

Quoted message said:

I have to eat 1,200 calories or less per day to lose weight.
I could use a higher BMI. ;-)

'course "moving more", (cardio work) works too, but there are only so
many hours in a day when one works full time and maintains a household.

I use cardio for health and intermittent table pushaways for weight
maintenance. Woke up at 8, gave a seminar on spherical chickens at
11. No food so far :-)

I generally eat twice per day... Once around noon and again at around 2
or 3 am depending on workload. I work night shifts.

I eat to live, not live to eat, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying
good food. ;-) I don't eat a lot of carbs in general, but once in awhile
a treat is nice. I made Crab Rangoon over the weekend but did not eat
many. One big "secret" to calorie control is portion control.

You can eat whatever you want really, just not much of it but some
calories do seem to count more than others based on the way the body
handles/deals with them, but I know I'm preaching to the choir. <G>
I seem to do best on a lower carb diet and wheat does not agree with me
anyway.

Spherical chickens eh?
LOTS of ways to prepare those but 2 usually stuffs me. They are
filling...

Need more cardio for sure. Won't argue with that.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson