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  1. After replacing the frame on my bike I need to put my old '03 LX brakes arms
    back on but the part of the arm that contains the coiled spring and tension
    adjuster (shown in red in the image below) fell off the main arm.

    http://www.elziko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/linked/BrakeArm.png

    I seem to only be able to put the red bit shown back onto the arm in one
    position that will allow the spring locate correctly on the pin of the brake
    arm (highlighted in yellow in the image above). When I do this and put the
    whole assembly onto the bike, the arm seems to have no resistance to being
    pushed towards the rim; there's no spring in it, and the brakes wont work.
    Changing the hole on the brake boss that I use doesn't seem to help much and
    the tensioning screw doesn't seem to want to move much in either direction.

    Can anyone hazard a guess as to what I'm doing wrong?

    TIA

  2. Try putting it in the middle hole.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Try putting it in the middle hole.

    Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top hole
    helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't hit the rim
    squarely then.

    I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase tension...
    it seems to have worked.

    Thanks!

  4. elziko said:
    Quoted message said:

    Try putting it in the middle hole.

    Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top hole
    helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't hit the rim
    squarely then.

    I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase tension...
    it seems to have worked.

    Thanks!

    Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce safe
    results. IMHO

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  5. Ride-A-Lot said:

    Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    safe results. IMHO

    How do you think the coiled part of these springs are formed?

  6. Let me go take a look at one of my LX V brake bikes,in the bike room.
    I'm back you could bend but not break the spring. And hopefully you
    didnt change anything like remove any pad spacers. Well is the
    replacement frame same as the old frame and you using the old rims.

  7. Quoted message said:

    Let me go take a look at one of my LX V brake bikes,in the bike room.
    I'm back you could bend but not break the spring. And hopefully you
    didnt change anything like remove any pad spacers. Well is the
    replacement frame same as the old frame and you using the old rims.

    Well, I did change the spacers since this is a totally different frame and
    the chain stays are not the same distance apart. Anyway, everythng is up and
    working just fine now!

    Thanks

  8. Ride-A-Lot said:
    elziko said:
    Quoted message said:

    Try putting it in the middle hole.

    Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    hit the rim squarely then.

    I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    tension... it seems to have worked.

    Thanks!

    Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    safe results. IMHO

    Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*
    --
    Phil

  9. Phil said:
    Ride-A-Lot said:
    elziko said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    > Try putting it in the middle hole.
    Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    hit the rim squarely then.

    I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    tension... it seems to have worked.

    Thanks!


    Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    safe results. IMHO

    Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*

    That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  10. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Phil said:
    Ride-A-Lot said:

    elziko wrote:
    > [email hidden] wrote:
    >> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    > Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    > hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    > hit the rim squarely then.
    >
    > I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    > tension... it seems to have worked.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    >
    Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    safe results. IMHO

    Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*

    That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    Cheers Dre

  11. Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Phil said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    > elziko wrote:
    >> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>
    >> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >>
    >>
    > Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    > safe results. IMHO
    Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*


    That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    I second that.

  12. Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Phil said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    > elziko wrote:
    >> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>
    >> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >>
    >>
    > Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    > safe results. IMHO
    Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*


    That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    Cheers Dre

    Steel ones still give, just not as easily as aluminum. Besides, both
    times I have trashed a derailleur the aluminum hanger bent as well.

    I believe the hanger is to prevent damage to the frame and not
    necessarily the derailleir.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  13. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
    > Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    >> elziko wrote:
    >>> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >>> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >>> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >>> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>>
    >>> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >>> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks!
    >>>
    >>>
    >> Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    >> safe results. IMHO
    > Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*
    That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    rear derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    personally keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell
    of a lot cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can
    usually still ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    Cheers Dre

    Steel ones still give, just not as easily as aluminum. Besides, both
    times I have trashed a derailleur the aluminum hanger bent as well.

    I believe the hanger is to prevent damage to the frame and not necessarily
    the derailleir.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Well in that case (re the damage to the frame), I'll still take an alu one
    as my frame is made of aluminium. If I mounted a steel one on there, I
    could damage the drop out which would get VERY costly as its a full
    suspension jobbie (Norco Six One).

    Each to their own though, makes life interesting 🙂

    Cheers Dre

  14. cc said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    I second that.

    It depends. I recall one broken derailleur where I just couldn't shift.
    Now this, on the other hand, was a walk out:

    http://bbauer.gomen.org/images/broken_derr.jpg

    --
    -BB-
    To e-mail me, unmunge my address

  15. Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
    >> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    >>> elziko wrote:
    >>>> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >>>> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >>>> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >>>> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>>>
    >>>> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >>>> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks!
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    >>> safe results. IMHO
    >> Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*
    > That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    > other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.
    >
    > --
    > o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    > www.schnauzers.ws
    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    rear derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    personally keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell
    of a lot cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can
    usually still ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    Cheers Dre


    Steel ones still give, just not as easily as aluminum. Besides, both
    times I have trashed a derailleur the aluminum hanger bent as well.

    I believe the hanger is to prevent damage to the frame and not necessarily
    the derailleir.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Well in that case (re the damage to the frame), I'll still take an alu one
    as my frame is made of aluminium. If I mounted a steel one on there, I
    could damage the drop out which would get VERY costly as its a full
    suspension jobbie (Norco Six One).

    Each to their own though, makes life interesting 🙂

    Cheers Dre

    I don't think Titus would sell them if they thought it was a problem for
    their very expensive warranted frames.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  16. BB said:
    cc said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...


    I second that.

    It depends. I recall one broken derailleur where I just couldn't shift.
    Now this, on the other hand, was a walk out:

    http://bbauer.gomen.org/images/broken_derr.jpg

    That's why I carry a singulator with me on epic rides.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  17. "BB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    cc said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    rear
    derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    personally
    keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens, hell of a lot
    cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you can usually
    still
    ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask me...

    I second that.

    It depends. I recall one broken derailleur where I just couldn't shift.
    Now this, on the other hand, was a walk out:

    http://bbauer.gomen.org/images/broken_derr.jpg

    --
    -BB-
    To e-mail me, unmunge my address

    WHHHAAAAAATTTTTTT!!!!!

    Damn, I've never messed up a derailleur *that* bad before 🙂 Good effort!

    Last time I dropped the bike on its side (down a meter drop actually) it
    landed fair on the rear derailleur (and only 2 minutes into the bloody
    ride!), bent the hanger but survided fine, had to shift it into bottom gear
    to clear the spokes but still mananged a smallish ride with it like that
    (the hills were a bugger though 🙂

    Cheers Dre

  18. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dre wrote:
    > "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
    >>> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    >>>> elziko wrote:
    >>>>> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >>>>> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >>>>> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >>>>> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >>>>> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    >>>> safe results. IMHO
    >>> Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*
    >> That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    >> other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.
    >>
    >> --
    >> o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    >> www.schnauzers.ws
    > Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    > rear derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    > personally keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens,
    > hell of a lot cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you
    > can usually still ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask
    > me...
    >
    > Cheers Dre
    Steel ones still give, just not as easily as aluminum. Besides, both
    times I have trashed a derailleur the aluminum hanger bent as well.

    I believe the hanger is to prevent damage to the frame and not
    necessarily the derailleir.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Well in that case (re the damage to the frame), I'll still take an alu
    one as my frame is made of aluminium. If I mounted a steel one on there,
    I could damage the drop out which would get VERY costly as its a full
    suspension jobbie (Norco Six One).

    Each to their own though, makes life interesting 🙂

    Cheers Dre

    I don't think Titus would sell them if they thought it was a problem for
    their very expensive warranted frames.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Yeah fair enough, maybe its a low grade of steel?

    Are the Titus frames aluminium or titanium??

    Cheers Dre

  19. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    BB said:
    cc said:

    > Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    > rear derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    > personally keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens,
    > hell of a lot cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you
    > can usually still ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask
    > me...
    >
    I second that.

    It depends. I recall one broken derailleur where I just couldn't shift.
    Now this, on the other hand, was a walk out:

    http://bbauer.gomen.org/images/broken_derr.jpg

    That's why I carry a singulator with me on epic rides.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Singulator?? that a fancy name for a chain breaker 🙂

    Cheers Dre

  20. Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dre said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Dre wrote:
    >> "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
    >>>> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
    >>>>> elziko wrote:
    >>>>>> [email hidden] wrote:
    >>>>>>> Try putting it in the middle hole.
    >>>>>> Thats how I tried it first, but it gave no tension at all. The top
    >>>>>> hole helped as far as tension was concerned but the pads wouldn't
    >>>>>> hit the rim squarely then.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I had to just bend the tension spring arms outwards to increase
    >>>>>> tension... it seems to have worked.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Thanks!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Bend and bike are two words that when used together do not produce
    >>>>> safe results. IMHO
    >>>> Like aluminum derailleur hangers? *gasp*
    >>> That's why I use the steel hangers on my Titus and I'd use them on the
    >>> other bikes too, if the mfg's made them.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    >>> www.schnauzers.ws
    >> Why is that?? both times I've crashed and the bike has landed via the
    >> rear derailluer on a rock, the alu hanger has saved the derailluer. I
    >> personally keep a couple of straight ones spare in case it happens,
    >> hell of a lot cheaper than replacing a busted derailleur and plus you
    >> can usually still ride out, busted derailleur is a walk out if you ask
    >> me...
    >>
    >> Cheers Dre
    > Steel ones still give, just not as easily as aluminum. Besides, both
    > times I have trashed a derailleur the aluminum hanger bent as well.
    >
    > I believe the hanger is to prevent damage to the frame and not
    > necessarily the derailleir.
    >
    > --
    > o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    > www.schnauzers.ws
    Well in that case (re the damage to the frame), I'll still take an alu
    one as my frame is made of aluminium. If I mounted a steel one on there,
    I could damage the drop out which would get VERY costly as its a full
    suspension jobbie (Norco Six One).

    Each to their own though, makes life interesting 🙂

    Cheers Dre


    I don't think Titus would sell them if they thought it was a problem for
    their very expensive warranted frames.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

    Yeah fair enough, maybe its a low grade of steel?

    Are the Titus frames aluminium or titanium??

    Cheers Dre

    They make both. My Racer-X is Aluminum.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

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