Panera Bread

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Steve Wertz wrote:
:: On Sun, 7 May 2006 13:17:31 -0700, Nexis wrote:
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::: "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:::: On Sat, 6 May 2006 22:07:06 -0600, D.Currie wrote:
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::::: Just noticed a new building with a "Panera Bread Coming Soon" sign. I
::::: googled it, but that didn't help a whole lot. Anybody familiar with this
::::: chain? Is it a bakery that sells sandwiches or is it a sandwich shop that
::::: sells bread?
:::::
::::: And is it any good?
::::
:::: Expensive "artisan" deli fare. Good breads and breakfast-type
:::: muffins, bagels and spreads. Small, trendy and expensive
:::: sandwiches with foo-foo ingredients.
::::
:::: I lived near one in Greenville, South Carolina for a year or so.
::::
:::: http://www.panera.com/
::::
:::: -sw
:::
::: It is not expensive and nothing NOTHING like a deli. You've obviously never
::: been. $6 for a fresh, tasty lunch is not expensive. And you must equate fresh
::: with foo-foo.
::
:: Wow. What a [censored]. You're husband can't get it up, or what?
::
:: I've been dragged there plenty of times. And it *is* expensive
:: for what you get (I don't drink coffee, so all you can drink
:: coffee has $0 value to me).
::
:: Let me define foo-foo for you:
::
:: Foo-foo: sun-dried tomato ale mustard, Artisan Three Cheese
:: bread, chopped basil and our chipotle mayonnaise, Rosemary &
:: Onion focaccia, Asiago Cheese demi, Tomato Basil bread,
:: All-natural pepper-mustard chicken, Tender, slow-roasted steak
:: filets with bold gorgonzola roasted red pepper sauce, spinach
:: artichoke spread, Garlic roasted portobello mushrooms,
:: caramelized onions, fragrant pesto aioli, field greens, pesto
:: aioli and olive tapenade, Fuji Apple Chicken Salad, reduced-sugar
:: Asian sesame vinaigrette, Delicate field greens, lightly seasoned
:: steak filets, walnuts, gorgonzola cheese and our zesty balsamic
:: vinaigrette, Mochachip Swirl Bagel.
::
:: If that's not some trendy, foo-foo [censored], then I don't know what
:: is.
::
:: -sw

And 6 dollars for a (foo foo) sammich and a bag of (foo foo) chips and a 1/4
pickle slice *IS* expensive.

BOB
but I've probably never been there either...

$6 for a bowl (not a cup) of good soup, a baguette, a salad (a *real* salad, not
your average iceberg and underripe tomato) is NOT expensive to me. The ingredients
are all fresh and flavorful, nothing is coated in grease, and everything tastes
good.
My thinking that is a bargain doesn't make me a [censored], it makes me someone who has
a different opinion than someone else on what is expensive.

to me, 6 bucks for soup and salad and a hunk of bread is extremely expensive, when
you consider that all it is is fast food with hype.

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saerah

You're entitled to your opinion, of course....
I can't think of any fast food places that would be cheaper, that use fresh
ingredients, aren't loaded with fat and sodium, and actually taste good.
Like I said, it isn't expensive to me because of the quality. It isn't fast food in
the sense that McDonald's or Wendy's is. Not even close.

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Nexis wrote:
:: " BOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: Steve Wertz wrote:
::::: On Sun, 7 May 2006 13:17:31 -0700, Nexis wrote:
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:::::: "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::::::: On Sat, 6 May 2006 22:07:06 -0600, D.Currie wrote:
:::::::
:::::::: Just noticed a new building with a "Panera Bread Coming Soon" sign. I
:::::::: googled it, but that didn't help a whole lot. Anybody familiar with this
:::::::: chain? Is it a bakery that sells sandwiches or is it a sandwich shop that
:::::::: sells bread?
::::::::
:::::::: And is it any good?
:::::::
::::::: Expensive "artisan" deli fare. Good breads and breakfast-type
::::::: muffins, bagels and spreads. Small, trendy and expensive
::::::: sandwiches with foo-foo ingredients.
:::::::
::::::: I lived near one in Greenville, South Carolina for a year or so.
:::::::
::::::: http://www.panera.com/
:::::::
::::::: -sw
::::::
:::::: It is not expensive and nothing NOTHING like a deli. You've obviously never
:::::: been. $6 for a fresh, tasty lunch is not expensive. And you must equate
:::::: fresh with foo-foo.
:::::
::::: Wow. What a [censored]. You're husband can't get it up, or what?
:::::
::::: I've been dragged there plenty of times. And it *is* expensive
::::: for what you get (I don't drink coffee, so all you can drink
::::: coffee has $0 value to me).
:::::
::::: Let me define foo-foo for you:
:::::
::::: Foo-foo: sun-dried tomato ale mustard, Artisan Three Cheese
::::: bread, chopped basil and our chipotle mayonnaise, Rosemary &
::::: Onion focaccia, Asiago Cheese demi, Tomato Basil bread,
::::: All-natural pepper-mustard chicken, Tender, slow-roasted steak
::::: filets with bold gorgonzola roasted red pepper sauce, spinach
::::: artichoke spread, Garlic roasted portobello mushrooms,
::::: caramelized onions, fragrant pesto aioli, field greens, pesto
::::: aioli and olive tapenade, Fuji Apple Chicken Salad, reduced-sugar
::::: Asian sesame vinaigrette, Delicate field greens, lightly seasoned
::::: steak filets, walnuts, gorgonzola cheese and our zesty balsamic
::::: vinaigrette, Mochachip Swirl Bagel.
:::::
::::: If that's not some trendy, foo-foo [censored], then I don't know what
::::: is.
:::::
::::: -sw
:::
::: And 6 dollars for a (foo foo) sammich and a bag of (foo foo) chips and a 1/4
::: pickle slice *IS* expensive.
:::
::: BOB
::: but I've probably never been there either...
::
:: $6 for a bowl (not a cup) of good soup, a baguette, a salad (a *real* salad,
:: not your average iceberg and underripe tomato) is NOT expensive to me. The
:: ingredients are all fresh and flavorful, nothing is coated in grease, and
:: everything tastes good.
:: My thinking that is a bargain doesn't make me a [censored], it makes me someone who
:: has a different opinion than someone else on what is expensive.

Can you read what I typed? It was $6 for a sandwich (with a small amount of
filling) and a bag of chips...those in the paper bag (that makes them better for
you than the plastic bag) (priced regularly @ about $2.50) and a slice of dill
pickle. The drink was extra.

I read what you typed. I stated what *I* got for $6, which was a hell of alot more
than you did apparently. Is there something wrong with my stating that?

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What Steve was calling you a [censored] for was saying that he had never been there.
Read up above. You actually typed it. That's why *I* typed "but I've probably
never been there either...".

It was a lighthearted comment initially, and I'm sorry he was unable to take it as
such. Obviously I wasn't presuming to know where he'd been, especially when he'd been
clear that he had. Sarcasm is hard to decipher in print, I know.

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I'm glad that *YOU* liked it. Does that make others liars for not liking the
place, or feeling that it was over-priced?

BOB

Again, I never called anyone any names, including liar. I also made it clear that *I*
don't find it expensive, due to the quality vs. price issue. Feel however you like,
Bob. I never asked you to do otherwise.

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Nexis said:

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Nexis said:

I didn't call you a liar. I said $6 for a full lunch/dinner is not expensive. It's
called disagreeing. Obviously, something your precious ego couldn't handle.

You obviously have a hole the size of a baseball bat in your
unusually small brain.

You said: "You've obviously never been" after I clearly implied I
had been there several times by describing what was good.

It was *your* ego couldn't handle the fact that somebody
expressed on opinion you disagreed with.

-sw

Since I personally am not Panera, my ego didn't come into play.
I hadn't stated an opinion yet, so there wasn't one for you to disagree with.
My post was lighthearted, your ego couldn't handle that, hence the ensuing comments.
Have a great night anway, Steve.

You must be drunk or something.

-sw

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I periodically stop by store #1 (Woodlawn and Manchester) when hunger
strikes while out-and-about in the area. I have always been please
with what I received for my money; it is a step above
Subway/Quiznos/etc. in cost, and in quality.

I usually go to the store on Brentwood. I also like their soups on the
cold winter days. Their white chicken chili is pretty tasty. It is a step
above the usual fast food sandwich places. Now, if they only served a
bologna sandwich 😉

Michael

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John Gould, Monstrous Depravity, 1963

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>Steve Wertz wrote:
>:: On Sun, 7 May 2006 13:17:31 -0700, Nexis wrote:
>::
>::: "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>::: news:[email hidden]...
>:::: On Sat, 6 May 2006 22:07:06 -0600, D.Currie wrote:
>::::
>::::: Just noticed a new building with a "Panera Bread Coming Soon" sign. I
>::::: googled it, but that didn't help a whole lot. Anybody familiar with this
>::::: chain? Is it a bakery that sells sandwiches or is it a sandwich shop that
>::::: sells bread?
>:::::
>::::: And is it any good?
>::::
>:::: Expensive "artisan" deli fare. Good breads and breakfast-type
>:::: muffins, bagels and spreads. Small, trendy and expensive
>:::: sandwiches with foo-foo ingredients.
>::::
>:::: I lived near one in Greenville, South Carolina for a year or so.
>::::
>:::: http://www.panera.com/
>::::
>:::: -sw
>:::
>::: It is not expensive and nothing NOTHING like a deli. You've obviously never
>::: been. $6 for a fresh, tasty lunch is not expensive. And you must equate fresh
>::: with foo-foo.
>::
>:: Wow. What a [censored]. You're husband can't get it up, or what?
>::
>:: I've been dragged there plenty of times. And it *is* expensive
>:: for what you get (I don't drink coffee, so all you can drink
>:: coffee has $0 value to me).
>::
>:: Let me define foo-foo for you:
>::
>:: Foo-foo: sun-dried tomato ale mustard, Artisan Three Cheese
>:: bread, chopped basil and our chipotle mayonnaise, Rosemary &
>:: Onion focaccia, Asiago Cheese demi, Tomato Basil bread,
>:: All-natural pepper-mustard chicken, Tender, slow-roasted steak
>:: filets with bold gorgonzola roasted red pepper sauce, spinach
>:: artichoke spread, Garlic roasted portobello mushrooms,
>:: caramelized onions, fragrant pesto aioli, field greens, pesto
>:: aioli and olive tapenade, Fuji Apple Chicken Salad, reduced-sugar
>:: Asian sesame vinaigrette, Delicate field greens, lightly seasoned
>:: steak filets, walnuts, gorgonzola cheese and our zesty balsamic
>:: vinaigrette, Mochachip Swirl Bagel.
>::
>:: If that's not some trendy, foo-foo [censored], then I don't know what
>:: is.
>::
>:: -sw
>
>And 6 dollars for a (foo foo) sammich and a bag of (foo foo) chips and a 1/4
>pickle slice *IS* expensive.
>
>BOB
>but I've probably never been there either...

$6 for a bowl (not a cup) of good soup, a baguette, a salad (a *real* salad, not
your average iceberg and underripe tomato) is NOT expensive to me. The ingredients
are all fresh and flavorful, nothing is coated in grease, and everything tastes
good.
My thinking that is a bargain doesn't make me a [censored], it makes me someone who has
a different opinion than someone else on what is expensive.

to me, 6 bucks for soup and salad and a hunk of bread is extremely expensive, when
you consider that all it is is fast food with hype.

--

saerah

You're entitled to your opinion, of course....
I can't think of any fast food places that would be cheaper, that use fresh
ingredients, aren't loaded with fat and sodium, and actually taste good.
Like I said, it isn't expensive to me because of the quality. It isn't fast food in
the sense that McDonald's or Wendy's is. Not even close.

Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.
The soups are frozen/refrigerated and reheated. The food is tasty, but
nothing special, IMNSHO.

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saerah

http://anisaerah.cmayes.net/blog/

"This morning, I woke up
Feeling brand new and I jumped up
Feeling my highs, and my lows
In my soul, and my goals
Just to stop smokin, and stop drinkin
And I've been thinkin - I've got my reasons
Just to get by, just to get by" -Talib Kweli

Steve Wertz said:

D.Currie said:

Just noticed a new building with a "Panera Bread Coming Soon" sign. I
googled it, but that didn't help a whole lot. Anybody familiar with this
chain? Is it a bakery that sells sandwiches or is it a sandwich shop that
sells bread?

And is it any good?

Expensive "artisan" deli fare. Good breads and breakfast-type
muffins, bagels and spreads. Small, trendy and expensive
sandwiches with foo-foo ingredients.

I lived near one in Greenville, South Carolina for a year or so.

http://www.panera.com/

-sw

It may be "foo-foo," but man, are the products great! I love the
place. Try the cinnamon/sugar bagel.

N.

Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

"L, not -L" <[email hidden]> news:[email hidden]:

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I periodically stop by store #1 (Woodlawn and Manchester) when
hunger strikes while out-and-about in the area. I have always been
please with what I received for my money; it is a step above
Subway/Quiznos/etc. in cost, and in quality.

I usually go to the store on Brentwood. I also like their soups on
the cold winter days. Their white chicken chili is pretty tasty. It
is a step above the usual fast food sandwich places. Now, if they
only served a bologna sandwich 😉

I've only eaten a sandwich from there once, at The Lake of the Ozarks,
it was fine. Their bagels are pretty good, for being the kind that give
New Yorkers fits (which is entertaining in its own rights).

Brian

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If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

sarah bennett said:

Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.

Ew. Just freakin' ewww!

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton said:

sarah bennett said:

Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.

Ew. Just freakin' ewww!

Interesting, since I actually know a baking instructor for them. I'll
have to ask him how they do it.

--
Richard W Kaszeta
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http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

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Blair P. Houghton said:

sarah bennett said:

Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.

Ew. Just freakin' ewww!

Interesting, since I actually know a baking instructor for them. I'll
have to ask him how they do it.

--
Richard W Kaszeta
[email hidden]
http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Gee, I thought most bread that we buy is usually made off premises in a
bakery; and whether it is par-baked, frozen, shipped and finished in-store
probably has little to do with its quality.
Probably doing the same thing in France!
Dee Dee

Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

I usually go to the store on Brentwood. I also like their soups on the
cold winter days. Their white chicken chili is pretty tasty. It is a step
above the usual fast food sandwich places. Now, if they only served a
bologna sandwich 😉

You can get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for $3.59. Banana
is $1 extra.

-sw

Richard Kaszeta said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

sarah bennett said:

Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.

Ew. Just freakin' ewww!

Interesting, since I actually know a baking instructor for them. I'll
have to ask him how they do it.

Friends kid worked there and she also said that no bread is made there
and it is frozen parbaked bread as described.

Dee Randall said:

Gee, I thought most bread that we buy is usually made off premises in a
bakery; and whether it is par-baked, frozen, shipped and finished in-store
probably has little to do with its quality.
Probably doing the same thing in France!
Dee Dee

I think there is a big difference between par baked and frozen stuff vs
freshly made and baked bread. If people are having an orgasm over panera
I am not sure what would happen if they had the freshly made bread and
rolls at out local mom n pop place that are baked in an anthracite coal
fired oven.

George said:

Richard Kaszeta said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

sarah bennett wrote:

>Dude, I know someone who works at a panera bread. The bread is not made
>in sote. It's par-baked and frozen and shipped and finished in-store.

Ew. Just freakin' ewww!

Interesting, since I actually know a baking instructor for them. I'll
have to ask him how they do it.

Friends kid worked there and she also said that no bread is made there
and it is frozen parbaked bread as described.

It's just not economical to have a bakery in every store. There's
also consistency and training issues to deal with.

Heck, even Whole Foods doesn't make any of their bread on site
(at least not here in Austin - where Whole foods is headquartered
and has 2 stores).

-sw

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Dee Randall said:

Gee, I thought most bread that we buy is usually made off premises in a
bakery; and whether it is par-baked, frozen, shipped and finished
in-store probably has little to do with its quality.
Probably doing the same thing in France!
Dee Dee

I think there is a big difference between par baked and frozen stuff vs
freshly made and baked bread. If people are having an orgasm over panera I
am not sure what would happen if they had the freshly made bread and rolls
at out local mom n pop place that are baked in an anthracite coal fired
oven.

I know you aren't saying that EYE'm having an orgasm over Panera. Be that
out of the way and said:
I bake my own (mostly artisan) bread and I don't buy Panera's bread, nor
their cookbook, nor do I sack-up-to-go the 1/3 loaf of extra bread that
comes with the meal. Nor do I recommend their pastries.
But I still think Panera has the best food-for-value whenever we travel up &
down to coast from Virginia to CT.
Bon Appetit,
Dee Dee

D.Currie said:

Just noticed a new building with a "Panera Bread Coming Soon" sign. I
googled it, but that didn't help a whole lot. Anybody familiar with this
chain? Is it a bakery that sells sandwiches or is it a sandwich shop that
sells bread?

And is it any good?

I too am in the "reasonably inexpensive" camp - at least when compared
to what you can get at other chain places for the same money.
Admittedly, I'm a soup and salad fanatic, and would much prefer to eat
soup and salad than a burger nearly every day of the month. Another
place that we have locally (San Diego) that is a similar type of deal is
Boudin's which I find very tasty - but (and I could be incorrect as I
don't get over there very often), I think that they actually do have the
onsite bakery at each location. It could all come partially prepped
from one of their main bakeries though.

http://www.boudinbakery.com/

Steve Wertz said:

It's just not economical to have a bakery in every store. There's
also consistency and training issues to deal with.

You're justifying their position midway down the slippery slope.

Panera pretending it's a high-quality bread shop might as well be
McDonald's pretending their burgers are 100% chuck.

And Panera, from the name on down, pretends it's a high-quality bread
shop.

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Heck, even Whole Foods doesn't make any of their bread on site
(at least not here in Austin - where Whole foods is headquartered
and has 2 stores).

I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that I have never
been impressed with Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Sprouts, or Wild Oats.

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton said:

I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that I have never
been impressed with Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Sprouts, or Wild Oats.

Trader Joes is OK, but I haven't been to one in 6 years. Been
there at least 60 times before then, though. Hole Foods sucks.
Can't comment on the other two, but I think Hole Foods owns Wild
Oats now.

-sw