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www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf "Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize fatigue and discomfort." Yeah. :-)

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14 April 2006, 14:28 UTC #1

www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
"Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
fatigue and discomfort."
Yeah. :-)

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Rabid Weasel
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14 April 2006, 14:32 UTC #2

Quoted message said:
www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
"Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
fatigue and discomfort."
Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk

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14 April 2006, 14:39 UTC #3

Rabid Weasel said:
Quoted message said:
www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
"Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
fatigue and discomfort."
Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.

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JMW
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14 April 2006, 18:12 UTC #4

Quoted post said:
Rabid Weasel said:
Quoted message said:
www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
"Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
fatigue and discomfort."
Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.

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John
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14 April 2006, 18:42 UTC #5

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[quote="Quoted message"]
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Rabid Weasel said:
[email hidden] wrote:
> www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
>
> "Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
> fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
> training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
> fatigue and discomfort."
>
> Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.

The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.

I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

Most of the time it produces puke.

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savanfort
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14 April 2006, 19:15 UTC #6

Gym myth No1 "No pain no gain" is of the past. More and more evidence shows
low rep, high intensity, short duration slight overload type training is
much more effective for muscle grows. In short: "stop at the top" and you
get "no pain but gain", lol.
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Quoted message said:
www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
"Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
fatigue and discomfort."
Yeah. :-)

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ATP*
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14 April 2006, 20:59 UTC #7

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[quote="Quoted message"]
Quoted post said:
Rabid Weasel said:
[email hidden] wrote:
> www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
>
> "Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
> fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
> training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
> fatigue and discomfort."
>
> Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.

The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.

I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

I'm doing my second story garage roof and would much prefer doing 20 rep
squats:-) The only thing good about it was the view.

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14 April 2006, 23:21 UTC #8

ATP* said:
I'm doing my second story garage roof
Try a woman instead.

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Pete
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15 April 2006, 22:51 UTC #9

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
Quoted message said:
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
I find that hard to believe, cince hypertrophy is our main objective.
[quote="Quoted message"]I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.

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Pete

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Curt James
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16 April 2006, 00:38 UTC #10

JMWhat-a-cross-posting-putz <[email hidden]>
wrote:
[...]
Quoted message said:
I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything exc<snip>
Did you mean what you wrote or did you intend to write "I have yet to
find" or even "I have not found"?
Regardless of your muddled message, many have found this book of great
benefit:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0926888005/102-5398308-1325709?v=glance&n=283155
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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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Curt James
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16 April 2006, 00:43 UTC #11

Pete said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
[...]
[quote="Quoted message"]
Quoted message said:
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.

I find that hard to believe, cince hypertrophy is our main objective.

[quote="Quoted message"]I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.[/quote]

Pete, are you trying to take my spot on JMW's htm?
http://www.rustyiron.net/trollist.htm

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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JMW
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16 April 2006, 03:11 UTC #12

Pete said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
Quoted message said:
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
I find that hard to believe, cince hypertrophy is our main objective.
Read again. Note the words "aren't necessarily." Also note the
difference between "effective" and "efficient."
[quote="Quoted message"][quote="Quoted message"]I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?[/quote]

Separate subject. I never said they did.

Quoted message said:
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.

A good strength program. However, most bodybuilders do use a somewhat
higher rep range. Still, there's some evidence that there are
genotypical variants that cause people to respond differently to
different training volumes.

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Curt James
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16 April 2006, 03:53 UTC #13

[quote="JMW"]
Pete said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
Quoted message said:
>I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
>training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
>emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
>singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
>only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
>occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
Quoted message said:
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
I find that hard to believe, cince hypertrophy is our main objective.

Read again. Note the words "aren't necessarily." Also note the
difference between "effective" and "efficient."

[quote="Quoted message"][quote="Quoted message"]I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.[/quote]

What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?[/quote]

Separate subject. I never said they did.

Quoted message said:
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.

A good strength program. However, most bodybuilders do use a somewhat
higher rep range. Still, there's some evidence that there are
genotypical variants that cause people to respond differently to
different training volumes.[/quote]

JMW, would you PLEASE pull your head out of your ass? I mean, if only
for a moment, just to see - maybe - what others are seeing? You're a
pompous ass. Perhaps it's a case of you're-so-smart-you're-stupid or,
more likely, you're just stupid.

Dear rec.martial-arts patrons, would a good karate chop or some other
martial arts technique possibly help dislodge this man's head from his
rectum? TIA.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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16 April 2006, 04:08 UTC #14

Curt James said:
Dear rec.martial-arts patrons, would a good karate chop or some other
martial arts technique possibly help dislodge this man's head from his
rectum? TIA.
As an expert, I can tell you that breaking your hand over that dense
skull wouldn't accomplish a thing.You alsao can't tell stupid people
they are stupid, because if they could grasp the concept they wouldn't
be stupid.

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Larry Hodges
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16 April 2006, 07:55 UTC #15

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
Curt James said:
Dear rec.martial-arts patrons, would a good karate chop or some other
martial arts technique possibly help dislodge this man's head from his
rectum? TIA.
As an expert, I can tell you that breaking your hand over that dense
skull wouldn't accomplish a thing.You alsao can't tell stupid people
they are stupid, because if they could grasp the concept they wouldn't
be stupid.
Then don't bother telling Curt. He'll never get it.

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Charles
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16 April 2006, 09:08 UTC #16

[quote="Curt James"][quote="JMW"]
Pete said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
>>I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
>>training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
>>emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
>>singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
>>only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
>>occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
> The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
> efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
I find that hard to believe, cince hypertrophy is our main objective.

Read again. Note the words "aren't necessarily." Also note the
difference between "effective" and "efficient."

[quote="Quoted message"]> I have not yet found anyone who can produce decent scientific evidence
> that 20-rep squats are good for anything except [a] muscular endurance
> and [b] masochism. Of course, there are still plenty of people who
> think that, if it hurts, it's gotta be good.

What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?[/quote]

Separate subject. I never said they did.

Quoted message said:
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.

A good strength program. However, most bodybuilders do use a somewhat
higher rep range. Still, there's some evidence that there are
genotypical variants that cause people to respond differently to
different training volumes.[/quote]

JMW, would you PLEASE pull your head out of your ass? I mean, if only
for a moment, just to see - maybe - what others are seeing? You're a
pompous ass. Perhaps it's a case of you're-so-smart-you're-stupid or,
more likely, you're just stupid.

Dear rec.martial-arts patrons, would a good karate chop or some other
martial arts technique possibly help dislodge this man's head from his
rectum? TIA.
[/quote]

He is a dreadful self-regarding [censored] who never uses one word where a
dozen can be introduced needlessly!

I hope you're having a great weekend Curt - you know I am! ;o)

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16 April 2006, 12:37 UTC #17

Larry Hodges said:
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
Curt James said:
Dear rec.martial-arts patrons, would a good karate chop or some other
martial arts technique possibly help dislodge this man's head from his
rectum? TIA.
As an expert, I can tell you that breaking your hand over that dense
skull wouldn't accomplish a thing.You alsao can't tell stupid people
they are stupid, because if they could grasp the concept they wouldn't
be stupid.
Then don't bother telling Curt. He'll never get it.
Larry replied to me! Larry replied to me! na na nahhhhhhhh
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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16 April 2006, 12:46 UTC #18

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Larry replied to me! Larry replied to me! na na nahhhhhhhh
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Ok I apologize, that was very Curt-like of me. As punishment I will go
off in a corner, and leave the PC alone today.

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Pete
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16 April 2006, 13:34 UTC #19

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I find that hard to believe, since hypertrophy is our main objective.
Quoted message said:
Read again. Note the words "aren't necessarily." Also note the
difference between "effective" and "efficient."
Did i misinterprate your post? Damn...
I was trying to say that, when it comes to hypertrophy, we probably know
what we are doing.
I can not imagine a bodybuilder would stick to a program that will not going
to result in muscular hypertrophy.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
What makes you guys think that bodybuilders use high reps and very
discomforting sets to produce hypertrophy?
Quoted message said:
Separate subject. I never said they did.
Not literally. But it seems you agreed with that statement.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I usually stay in the 5-8 range myself, and stop short of failure.
Quoted message said:
A good strength program.
It is also a very good program for building mass. Imagine 8 reps performed
while doing, lets say, front presses.
The bar moves in the "middle" part of the ROM, stopping 15 degrees before
lockout at the top, and 15 degrees at the bottom. Rep tempo is 1/1, so aprox
15 seconds for a set. Now, if you do that 6 times a month, the deltoids, and
the muscles that assist, become stronger. But how does that happen? Being
explosive has nothing to do with it...
Quoted message said:
However, most bodybuilders do use a somewhat
higher rep range.
That is only because of the pump.
Quoted message said:
Still, there's some evidence that there are
genotypical variants that cause people to respond differently to
different training volumes.
Yes.
White/pink/red fiber, i heard it before.
I just want to mention that i NEVER saw anyone make decent gaines on a
program with sets of 15-20 reps.
Unless of course, you take a massive amount of AS/insuline/GH, because then
you grow no matter what.
As a mentioned before, Chris Cormier trains at my gym for a couple of weeks
and the weights he used were moderate at best. For someone his size... Not
that HE worries abut that...
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Pete

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WillBrink
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16 April 2006, 14:15 UTC #20

In article <[email hidden]>,
JMW said:
Quoted post said:
Rabid Weasel said:
[email hidden] wrote:
> www.baye.com/downloads/fatigue_not_necessary.pdf
>
> "Strength training does not need to involve severe discomfort and
> fatigue to produce significant gains in strength. Effective strength
> training can be performed with large rest periods, which minimize
> fatigue and discomfort."
>
> Yeah. :-)
Do you disagree or agree?
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
I love low reps and long rest periods, dude; of course I agree;
training like a powerlifter is fun. Training like a bodybuilder is
emphatically not fun; 20-rep squats are the 10 on my pain scale. 85%
singles - occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated - are the
only way I train deadlifts. Squats... 85% doubles and triples, mostly;
occasional 100% singles just to stay calibrated.
The methods used by many bodybuilders aren't necessarily the most
efficient for creating muscular hypertrophy, anyway.
John, 2 grams per week of cyp, 12IU of GH, and 20IU per day of insulin
is very efficient!
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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