Full Body vs. Split

if you want to know more about full body routines, check out the
nautilus bulletin #1 & #2 (they used to be available online, but i
couldn't find them when i just searched.) dinosaur training would be a
good book to pick up for everything else. there was also a book called
maximum training edited by matt bryzici (sic) that contained a bunch of
essays by noted strength experts.

you're going to have to start reading some books on the subject and
educate yourself as i don't think anyone has ever really gotten any
meaningful results by asking about routines in here. if you're looking
for one of us to tell you what to do, then you don't have what it takes
to be a bodybuilder. if you're not a bodybuilder, then you're not
really serious.

"Pez D Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

if you want to know more about full body routines, check out the
nautilus bulletin #1 & #2 (they used to be available online, but i
couldn't find them when i just searched.) dinosaur training would be a
good book to pick up for everything else. there was also a book called
maximum training edited by matt bryzici (sic) that contained a bunch of
essays by noted strength experts.

you're going to have to start reading some books on the subject and
educate yourself as i don't think anyone has ever really gotten any
meaningful results by asking about routines in here. if you're looking
for one of us to tell you what to do, then you don't have what it takes
to be a bodybuilder. if you're not a bodybuilder, then you're not
really serious.

I'm new here, but have been coaching for thirty years, and have owned many
gyms.

You make sense Pez, but there is always room to "make a difference" . As I'm
sure you know, there is a great deal of misinformation "out there" (much of
it well meaning).

One thing you have to get clear in your head im, is the difference between
training and exercise. You would be surprised how many dont know the
difference.

Basically, training means constantly forcing adaption, where results can
happen a lot quicker than many realise. Exercise, for the sake of this
discussion, maintains the status quo.Increasing quantity usually results in
the "law of diminished returns". In other words, you can greatly increase
the volume, for very little result.

Pez's refered to the Nautilus bulletins.They talk a lot of sense (although
you dont need the Nautilus machines, which was the oroginal authers intent,
but the physiology still works).

I guess you could sum up by comparing quantity vs quality, and what you
"really" want when you have experienced the difference in activity.

Brian

lm wrote:

[...]

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I have been told to utilized the Full Body /
HST type workout vs. a split routine, but I
was hoping to hear the rational behind it
and/or opposing views/opinions...

I didn't - if you were speaking of me - recommend HST.

And the full body workout I'm speaking of won't overly tax you as the
number of exercises is less than what you typically would complete in a
full body workout.

Again, forget the split. Go full body - Monday, Weds, Fri - with
*fewer* exercises:

Stick to the pyramiding (4 x 12, 10, 8, 6), doing chest, back,
shoulders, legs, and abs.

Chest, back, shoulders, legs, and abs. Might even want to drop
shoulders and bench and rows will test the delts nicely.

Or if you're stuck on the split, do the Frank Calta deal:

Workout A: Legs
Workout B: Chest, Back

Week 1:

Monday: Workout A
Wednesday: Workout B
Friday: Workout A

Week 2:

Monday: Workout B
Wednesday: Workout A
Friday: Workout B

Keep rotating like that for six to eight weeks. Plenty of time for rest
and recuperation. Good luck.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Pez D Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

if you want to know more about full body routines, check out the
nautilus bulletin #1 & #2 (they used to be available online, but i
couldn't find them when i just searched.) dinosaur training would be a
good book to pick up for everything else. there was also a book called
maximum training edited by matt bryzici (sic) that contained a bunch of
essays by noted strength experts.

you're going to have to start reading some books on the subject and
educate yourself as i don't think anyone has ever really gotten any
meaningful results by asking about routines in here. if you're looking
for one of us to tell you what to do, then you don't have what it takes
to be a bodybuilder. if you're not a bodybuilder, then you're not
really serious.

I think I should have lurked befor jumping in, after just spending ten
minutes looking at the recent crappy posts. Is this the "state of the
nation"?

Brian

Or Jeck's stone strength thing:

Monday: 20-rep squat, press
Wednesday: row, hang clean
Friday: 20-rep squat, press
Monday: 20-rep squat, row
Wednesday: press, dip
Friday: 20-rep squat, row

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:15:30 -0500, "lm" <[email hidden]>

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Since on my last post I only got one serious answer

You're welcome punk.

jh

Brian Fletcher said:

"Pez D Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

if you want to know more about full body routines, check out the
nautilus bulletin #1 & #2 (they used to be available online, but i
couldn't find them when i just searched.) dinosaur training would be a
good book to pick up for everything else. there was also a book called
maximum training edited by matt bryzici (sic) that contained a bunch of
essays by noted strength experts.

you're going to have to start reading some books on the subject and
educate yourself as i don't think anyone has ever really gotten any
meaningful results by asking about routines in here. if you're looking
for one of us to tell you what to do, then you don't have what it takes
to be a bodybuilder. if you're not a bodybuilder, then you're not
really serious.

I think I should have lurked befor jumping in, after just spending ten
minutes looking at the recent crappy posts. Is this the "state of the
nation"?

Depends on whose posts you're reading. If you're reading "Pez" and
"locker," they certainly have a lot of strongly held opinions. The
fact that their wisdom derives from what they read from "the boyz on
the web boards" and hear from the "guys at the gym" doesn't seem to
bother them.

If you have specific questions to ask or assertions to make regarding
training methods, then go for it. You'll get a response. You might
even find that some of us will cite the peer-reviewed research.

lm said:

Since on my last post I only got one serious answer, I figured I would post
again.. I'm 29, 5'10", 165 lbs., my goal is to put on muscle and tone up.
I would like to lose a little fat around my stomach, but other than that
tone up and define. I'm on a split routine now doing 4 sets (12,10,8,6
reps). I used to do a Full Body 3 times a week, but it got extremely
repeative and boring and I lost motivation and focus, so I started a split
routine (chest/tri, back/bi, shoulders, legs). Any major suggestions
regarding workout routine.... I have been told to utilized the Full Body /
HST type workout vs. a split routine, but I was hoping to hear the rational
behind it and/or opposing views/opinions...

Thanks! ! !

how can lifting things get boring? anyhow hmm, I don't really do any
exercise so who am I to ask that.

but the exrx site has loads of exercises. You should be able to find
variation.

I don't get it... exercise is typically 40 minutes a day! just lifting
things. How can you lose focus/motivation! Lifting things is fun, and
it's not like the mind starts to wonder, if it does then teh weight
isn't heavy enough.
I guess you're one of those people that magically gets his calories in.
with no effort or stress.

I quit exercising because cooking and eating took way too long , it
takes longer than exercise, is really mindless, deadly boring, very
repetitive, makes me lose focus and go crazy.

JMW said:

Oh, boy! A new MFW toughguy!

There's no doubt he could kick your sorry ass.

lm said:

Since on my last post I only got one serious answer, I figured I would post
again.. I'm 29, 5'10", 165 lbs., my goal is to put on muscle and tone up.
I would like to lose a little fat around my stomach, but other than that
tone up and define.

Quit using the vague term "tone". What you mean is you want to add
muscle and decrease bodyfat (improving definition).

Quoted message said:

I'm on a split routine now doing 4 sets (12,10,8,6
reps). I used to do a Full Body 3 times a week, but it got extremely
repeative and boring and I lost motivation and focus, so I started a split
routine (chest/tri, back/bi, shoulders, legs). Any major suggestions
regarding workout routine.... I have been told to utilized the Full Body /
HST type workout vs. a split routine, but I was hoping to hear the rational
behind it and/or opposing views/opinions...

I like a 3 day split (chest/delt/tri, upper back/bi, legs/lower back)
similar to what you are using. But I don't think that matters too
much as long as you choose good exercises and do them properly.
Proper nutrition and rest are very important as well.

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/directory.html

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Lee Michaels said:

"Jeff Finlayson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quit using the vague term "tone". What you mean is you want to add
muscle and decrease bodyfat (improving definition).

I was reading some information on guitar building. It turns out tha there
are special woods for acoustic guitars called "toning woods". Apparently
these woods allow the guitars to resonate and produce the desired sound.

I have been thinking about buying some. And every time somebody asks how to
"tone", i would just hand them some of this wood.

Guitars improve in tonal quality as they age. The wood dries out and
resonates more. It is alos good to stand your acoustic by a speaker -
helps keep it resonating or something like that.

People, OTOH...

--
Keith

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Jeff Finlayson" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quit using the vague term "tone". What you mean is you want to add
muscle and decrease bodyfat (improving definition).

I was reading some information on guitar building. It turns out tha there
are special woods for acoustic guitars called "toning woods". Apparently
these woods allow the guitars to resonate and produce the desired sound.

I have been thinking about buying some. And every time somebody asks how

to

Quoted message said:

"tone", i would just hand them some of this wood.

Queue Billdo's comments on handing you some wood.

"Jeff Finlayson" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quit using the vague term "tone". What you mean is you want to add
muscle and decrease bodyfat (improving definition).

I was reading some information on guitar building. It turns out tha there
are special woods for acoustic guitars called "toning woods". Apparently
these woods allow the guitars to resonate and produce the desired sound.

I have been thinking about buying some. And every time somebody asks how to
"tone", i would just hand them some of this wood.

JMW said:

"Brian Fletcher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Depends on whose posts you're reading. If you're reading

"Pez" and

Quoted message said:

"locker," they certainly have a lot of strongly held opinions.

The

Quoted message said:

fact that their wisdom derives from what they read from "the

boyz on

Quoted message said:

the web boards" and hear from the "guys at the gym" doesn't

seem to

Quoted message said:

bother them.

The 'boyz on the web boards' are Andy Bolton, Ryan Kennelly,
Steve Latimer, Brent Mikesell, hundreds of others and me. The
board I post in is far superior to this newsgroup; no
comparison. None. All of them workout. LOL

Also, I have spent far more time in the gym than you. I probably
have got you beat by 25 years. I have competed in powerlifting
meets 2-3 times a year since 1996. I hold several records in my
state; some still on the books since 1997.

You pathetic little wimp. 🙂

Check out the MonserMuscle forum where most of the best
powerlifters on the planet post.

You get a big LOL from me. I am laughing so hard I'm about to
fall out of my chair.

locker

Quoted message said:

John said:

Queue Billdo's comments on handing you some wood.

You want my [censored], dontcha [censored]?

locker wrote:

A big advantage to posting in MonsterMuscle, et al, is that we
all know each other from meets so we don't talk smart ass, like
most of the people in this group. Makes it a much more enjoyable
experience. Very few slugs like yourself. If you mouth off in
that forum you better not show up at any meets. 🙂

Quoted message said:

locker

locker said:

If you mouth off in
that forum you better not show up at any meets

I'm sure you show up for all the "meats".

locker said:

JMW said:

"Brian Fletcher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Depends on whose posts you're reading. If you're reading
"Pez" and
"locker," they certainly have a lot of strongly held opinions.
The
fact that their wisdom derives from what they read from "the
boyz on
the web boards" and hear from the "guys at the gym" doesn't
seem to
bother them.

The 'boyz on the web boards' are Andy Bolton, Ryan Kennelly,
Steve Latimer, Brent Mikesell, hundreds of others and me. The
board I post in is far superior to this newsgroup; no
comparison.

Then why do you come here?

Quoted message said:

Also, I have spent far more time in the gym than you. I probably
have got you beat by 25 years.

So you've been lifting in the gym for 56 years?

Quoted message said:

I have competed in powerlifting
meets 2-3 times a year since 1996. I hold several records in my
state; some still on the books since 1997.

Name them. I'm quite capable of checking the state and national USAPL
web sites, and most of them list the existing records, as well as
recent meet results. If you're going to make those claims, it's up to
you to pony up the evidence.

You already bragged about this [censored] to Keith Hobman. He can easily
prove all his accomplishments, which are by no means minimal. So far,
you got nothin'.

Quoted message said:

You pathetic little wimp. 🙂

Boohoo. You hurt my feelings.

Quoted message said:

Check out the MonserMuscle forum where most of the best
powerlifters on the planet post.

You get a big LOL from me. I am laughing so hard I'm about to
fall out of my chair.

Careful. You might break a hip.

locker said:

locker wrote:

A big advantage to posting in MonsterMuscle, et al, is that we
all know each other from meets so we don't talk smart ass, like
most of the people in this group. Makes it a much more enjoyable
experience. Very few slugs like yourself. If you mouth off in
that forum you better not show up at any meets. 🙂

Which meets do you attend? In my experience, most of the veteran
powerlifters have been decent and helpful guys who offer no reason for
anyone to antagonize them. I have seen very few who were arrogant
blowhards like you.